Serious Sam Game and Ancient Civilizations

@Myrddin365 First (copy paste): I never said that science explains everything with the passage of time (straw man for you too XP)...I was referring to the fact that science is updated over time. (I have not said that explained everything one day) And also wanted to refer to the fact that science uses methodologies based on objective evidence and not on subjective assumptions. if in the future happens or not is another thing, my words are directed to the fact of nature of science to reinvent itself, which can be seen when analyzing the History. Second: Quote-"I am stating that belief in something you can't prove is the only viable means to answer questions in my earlier post". A: This is a classic Ad ignorantiam fallacy: I can not prove that something exists and I can not prove that something does not exist. So my blind faith is the best answer to the mystery. Third: Quote-And, You don't know the difference between being loved and being "in love?" Really? A: No, but you could explain me ¿?

@Myrddin365 Based on your "Am i loved" and "Does life matter" i assume you are relating to the idea of most religions and the thought that we are somehow important in the whole scheme of things. From what science knows so far the start of this universe was natural and life forming and evolving over time is to, there is no proof or realistic explanations from religion except this seems to complicated so god did it. If we discover new things over time the ideas and theories will change with it. It doesn't explain everything and some ideas could be wrong though based on what we know this is the best way to deal with things, it's damn well better then just having blind faith in something. I think the difference between religious people and non religious is they cant accept that there realy is no point behind life at all. I hear lots of religious people say if you don't believe god why not commit suicide then as your life has no meaning? They are scared that maybe there is nothing after death and this god isn't there watching over and loving us.

Religions, sects and cults are the opium of the people, they need to believe in something (a mixture of fear and perhaps arrogance) but in my opinion we have small insignificant (at Universal). It is possible that Man is afraid of death and prefers to think that there will be a magical paradise expecting it ... (I admit it's much better than the idea of being eaten by worms or turn to dustto cease to exist) Ideals vs. reality = Fantasies vs Facts And about Gods / Aliens is like Xena's words: "A wizard did it" (easy answers to difficult questions)

I withdraw the comment about what I thought was being communicated by your "observation." I am stating that science has limits based on current observation and historical observation. Currently there is no means of collecting empirical data that will answer the questions. "Am I loved?" "Does MY life matter?" To say that science will one day answer these questions will be a direct contradiction of your assertion that you are making no assumptions about the future. If your premise never was that one day science will answer those questions, then what bearing did any discussion of science ever have on this conversation? Loving and being loved is a continuous choice made by at least two parties to make the well being of their counterpart a priority regardless of emotional state, or neurochemical reactions. You are "in love" with that person you can't get out of your head who gives you butterflies, goose bumps and causes the release of "phenylethylamine, which acts on the limbic system and causes the sensations and feelings common in that state." At NO point in any of MY posts have i mentioned religion in any form. I clearly defined what I meant by faith for the purposes of this conversation. I have stated this repeatedly. "there realy is no point behind life at all" This is a metaphysical statement, with no supporting empirical data.

If nothing created us and is watching over making it all natural, what point to life could there be? There is a instinctive point to life which is to procreate and keep us a species going and that's about it.

@Myrddin365 "Am I loved?" "Does MY life matter?" A: I do not know, Could you explain step and what is the relationship with the conversation? And QUOTE: To say that science will one day answer these questions will be a direct contradiction of your assertion that you are making no assumptions about the future. If your premise never was that one day science will answer those questions, then what bearing did any discussion of science ever have on this conversation? A: In your second post you mentioned that science alone can explain only empirical factors, and I mention that the methodologies of science and how this knowledge obtained (which in my personal opinion is more plausible that the methodologies used by pseudosciences) and that's all. On the other hand my comment on religious aspects were not addressed to you, I just agree with @Rawr post.

Quoting out of context is not productive. I stated two examples of metaphysical questions that objective observation of empirical data cannot answer. They are questions whose answers matter deeply to people. The point was not the specific questions. The point is that: 1 Some truth is provable and empirical. 2 Some truth must be accepted based on faith, evidence and subjective choice.

If something is apparently so far out of this world that not even science can answer, then what's to say its even real and why care so much about it? It's like when someone says the universe had to be created and ill say what created that etc and the religious person can go well god is outside the laws of science, its bs just to keep the delusion going.

@Rawr don't be obtuse. I obviously am not talking about stuff that's "way out there." You can't prove that your mother loves you, but you most likely believe that it's true, or it matters to you whether or not it is true.

@Myrddin365 1) Some truth is provable and empirical. A: Yes, it is true but ¿what the truth is more valuable? If the thunder and lightning are seen and heard by a primitive and associates it with something of the Gods work, then what is the correct answer to the phenomenon? Yes, I know people's beliefs are very important to them, a lot. But that does not change the fact the real truth as opposed to the fantastic truth (subjective beliefs against objective facts) 2) Some truth must be accepted based on faith, evidence and subjective choice. A:Really? But n must forget the fact that the human being is anxious for answers to the great mysteries and it is possible that science can not currently answer, then we have the pseudo-sciences, religions and new age... Why? that these disciplines offer quick and easy answers to big questions, but be careful, as not necessarily the most plausible route. Technically, there are truths that have been there long before being discovered, for example, gravity, spherical curved earth, evolution, electricity, etc. But then Earth change when people realized that was not flat? And again we have an Objectivity vs. Subjectivity. That is independent of the subjective beliefs of the people. And it certainly is a fact that there are mysteries, but this does not mean that we should make judgments based on a priori subjectivity: Theoretically? maybe... How the best solution or final answer? No way...

Why would't my parents love me? I could just ask them, how could science prove im loved like its meant to be some force i feel from other people? Your points make no sense if you're not talking about god, you would know someone loves you by the actions and things they do for you, but i have no idea what you are trying to say and if its nothing to with anything religious what other meaning could you even be talking about, life has as much meaning as you make of it

Myrddin365: "It is impossible for observation of the physical to explain the metaphysical" Actually that is [b]exactly[/b] where metaphysics comes from: [i]the observation of the physycal to explain the 1st Cause[/i] [or cause without a cause]. Metaphysics - from the greek [i]meta-ta-physika[/i] [beyond the works on Physics by Aristotle]. Trust me, I have what you call a Major in Philosophy... not that it matters but Metaphysycs happens to be my favourite subject. It makes little sense to me when people apply looseley the term "metaphysics" in regard of somethings. But no ones fault really. That is basically because Metaphysics is not very well understood by the majority of people.

The problem with metaphysics is that it fills the gap for things which take sometime for science to understand. So it is the branch where you get to let your imagination run wild unlike science which connects the dots.

hi Sky: Indeed, and that is exactly it's point. Albeit it IS a science of sorts [logic is aplied to it]. Just not one you make it in a laboratory. And funny enough, all sciences that we know of tend towards it.

Yes. It is just that many parts of the metaphysics sounds like UFOlogists logic or sort of like thinking in the way conspiracy thinkers do. I don't if it is good or bad. I am just open to every theory and then go with the one that works.

Sky, Metaphysics has nothing to do with conpiracy theories. That is what I was trying to explain when i said that people use the term "metaphysics" freely and out of context to express something intelligible. Example: Aristotle Methaphyisics [where the general metaphysical Ideas come from], Parménides On Nature [also a great Metaphysical starting point]. Platos' body of work [all of it].

No. I didn't related your metaphysics example for conspiracy theory. I was observing people relating the religion vs prometheus theories for the metaphysics example.

Rawr My only point is that we all believe things we can't prove empirically, that we accept based on evidence, faith and choice. Thank you for agreeing. @ Shambala which truths have more value are up to you. The empirically observable chemical reactions in my wife's brain have less value to me than my belief that she loves me based on what she does and says. Due to my lack of telepathy, I just have to take her word for it. @David 1 I don't appreciate being quoted out of context given that my very next sentence clarifies that I am referring to observations made simply to yield empirical data. So to smooth over a point of petty semantics, my intention is to communicate that empirical data has little or no relevance in metaphysical matters concerning love and self worth.

Myrddin365: I'm sorry friend, didn't mean to sound rude, and believe me it's not out of pettyness that I do it, quite on the contrary. You may believe what you will, friend, but metaphysics doesn't cover such terms as "love" and "self worth". That is not the point on Metaphysics at all. And again I'll state that it is quite awkward to see people using such terms as "Metaphysics" out of it's [b]propper context[/b] [i.e. [b]devoided of what Metaphysics is about in the first place[/b]]. But that, I grant, it's because there are few people with degrees in Philosophy to start with. Metaphysics doesn't concerne it self with empirical laws of science because in-it-self, [b]Metaphysics is prior to all laws of science and beyond all laws of science[/b] [i.e. it is the root and the end of science as an interpretation on reality]. But that doesn't mean it is voyd of it's own "scientific" laws [those being Logic it self, until it brakes] That is why if you spend time to read from Aristotle to Einstein, they all start with a mind set on Logic and end up being unable to aply it. It's healthy info, friend, don't be so arsh on me.

LOL This thread is deviated from the initial topic. But the truth is it's very interesting to hear different points of view of members. In fact I accept that the universe is full of mysteries and oddities that can not be explained by empirical science, my point is that we must put all the tools and methodologies on the table to not close on a single dogma or point of view. On the other hand I must admit that I've never played Serious Sam Game. There was only discussed at the ancient civilizations xp... But what about the game is exactly? A version of Indiana Jones with steroids? And not understanding the points on the Dolphins ... Is it a theory about extraterrestrial life or evolution?

@Shambala, the relation with the game and the prometheus is usage of the ancient cult in connection with universal species residing in other planets and used by galactic vilian to harvest them on earth for invasion. That is the script of serious sam. That being said. I think there is a lot to dig in this topic and there are some good points presented here. As for dolphin, that poster related it with other alien theory.

I never played Serious Sam. But kind of reminds me of Duke Nukem. ahh, I loved BLOOD back in the day.

Duke nukem is more of modern version of the serious sam. In case of serious sam, it also goes something like alien movies. Sam checks all the ancient civilizations from past and kills aliens, gets relics etc. Ancient civilizations are worth studying for mystic factor.

Yeah. lol. it is also one of the older game which i guess is still good comparing graphics in that time. i mean 10 years back.