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Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 5:40 PMThis has bugged me for a while and I've never really brought it up to anyone because I seem to be the only one who notices or has this opinion but here we go...
It seems to me that in the Alien DC RS and co. suggest a different Alien lifecycle than that of Aliens. As you all know, when Ripley finds Dallas and Brett they are cocooned. The thing is they're cocooned in a different way than anyone else in any of the other films. They're sitting almost crossed legged and it seems that RS was implying that THEY were being transformed into eggs. Obviously this would cancel out any Queen.
I can almost remember reading somewhere that this was in fact where RS and Giger were going but the "life cycle" painting Giger did does show the egg coming out of what looks to be an ass so I'm not sure.
If this was the case and that is where RS was going, do you think he should stick to the rules that were created by the theatrical release of the film and Aliens or should he(or will he) go back to his original idea?
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Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 5:44 PMin fact, if you look at the cocoon Brett is in it looks like it's taking on characteristics of a Zeno egg. Looks that way in some of Giger's work that wasn't used as well.

Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 6:03 PMI think so too. I'm pretty sure we're in the minority though.
A thread just like this was started and it suggested that RS combine ideas. That could be cool.

Svanya
AdminPraetorianMay-18-2012 6:03 PMGrossest scene in the movie, IMO
Click-->[url=http://youtu.be/dS5MtzrW1vU]Deleted cocoon scene[/url]

MarcoBot1234
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 6:33 PMRidley removed it cuz he thought it slowed down the frantic "pacing" of the evacuation. Great scene IMO
Really adds depth to the creature and it's life cycle

Myrddin365
MemberFacehuggerMay-18-2012 6:53 PMRather than either, or, I prefer a both, and approach to this topic. They mutate eggs until they can spawn and protect the queen. A queen is more efficient, but the mutation option means absolute eradication is the only option.
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Jv8r
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 7:30 PMI like the original. It's more alien/unusual. Why compare them to bugs? I think the creature is more terrifying/weird when it can dissolve me into an egg over say, 24hr. How much would that suck? to be slowly transformed into something else? The Alien doesn't need any additional help from a queen. I fine this far more fantastic!

Myrddin365
MemberFacehuggerMay-18-2012 7:48 PM@Jv8r It probably took more like 5-6 hours. Brett was almost done changing. I agree that the mutation life cycle is way creepier, I'm just saying that both can work without too much mental gymnastics.
The xeno mural that is the icon for Prometheus Trailers has queen head plates at the top of it, so we're stuck with her.
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Giger's Dream
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 7:50 PMI don't recall...what was she doing down there in this scene? Was this before or after she threw the self destruct switch? Seems out of the way if she's in a 10 minute count down to be strolling in the basement...

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 7:55 PM@Deckard_B26354
IMO I agree however I have to differ to the consensus here because as another member named "Snorkelbottom" and I figured out together a Long Long time ago in our lives not just on these forums but in Our Lives...
Anything that did not appear in any of the films in the franchise's official timeline and from the Theatrical {sadly} release...
..Do Not Count As [b]"Canon"[/b]
{My G-D Do I ever Hate That Freaking Word In This Context}

sukkal
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 11:11 PM@Giger's Dream
It is weird in the timeline, so that's why it was cut from the ’79 film. It's back in the Director’s Cut, though.

Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 11:54 PM@Spartacus... Screw the canon imo. No offense or anything. Really, I don't want you to think I mean that in a rude way. I just think Alien is Ridley's film. I'd rather him do what he feels works best rather than stick to any canon because, well, usually what Ridley thinks works best is what works best. If he thinks the life cycle involving the Queen works better for what he's doing or going to do then so be it. If he thinks a combo of the ideas works best, cool.

ArchEtech
MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 7:21 AMThe scene was removed and in my opinion, removed from canon. I personally don't like the idea of the cocoon. It's a pointless life cycle stage. Why not just cocoon a person and they are mutated directly into an alien. faster, more direct, and more weapon like.
Similarly a hermaphrodite alien that layed eggs, and didn't need a queen would work, and be as equally effective and disturbing while being much more effective than the pointless cacoon stage. Not that life only evolves by eliminating all pointless traits, because it doesn't. My point is, if the Xeno is directly engineered as many like to conclude it's far from perfect with the cocoon stage as canon. This leads me to believe that the alien itself isn't the weapon, but something before it is, and we may get more of this "DNA" in Prometheus.
My option isn't canon though so we may never have a clear Ridley alien life cycle, and I'm ok with questions remaining open ended. Cameron's canon makes sense, and is much more biologically plausible. Ridley even likes Cameron's take. That doesnt mean that wherever the Xeno came from, or what the tech is, it couldn't have endless twisted results meaning that the original Alien was just one life form offshoot of something worse.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 7:27 AMDeckard_B26354
I really really really honestly wish things worked that way in film I really do because IMO you are partly, a lot, correct in that a lot of the stuff we cannot count would be wonderful if we could.
What bugs the most is this flagrant lack of faith in perhaps what was the Best Possible person for this job, and I can guarrantee you all had anyone but Ridley been doing this thing it would never have come out even half as incredible as I know it did already!!!
Keep The Faith In Ridley Alive, There was never and still isn't any reason what so ever Not To !!!
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