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Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:38 PMVery cool article [url=http://www.shadowlocked.com/201203302484/opinion-features/the-russian-heritage-for-ridley-scotts-prometheus.html]here.[/url]
Space suit...
[img]http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/features/2012/003_March/030/prometheus_spacesuits_and_planet_of_the_storms/prometheus_planeta_bur_comp1__rev.jpg[/img]
There's other things in the article besides the space suits.
****EDIT****
I just read that this isn't an "article" but actually a post from a member on another Prometheus forum. It's all talked about in the link.
Also noticed some comments where people were taking this as kind of an insult to RS, Janty Yates and Aurther Max. I don't think it is at all and that's not why I posted it.
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:44 PMI disagree completely and think any resemblance is purely speculative and misguided speculation done with an agenda to promote all things Russia. Nice comparison though and just my humble opinion.

Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:47 PMSeriously? "agenda to promote all things Russia"? You're joking, right? I understand the opinion that the similarities could be accidental but...
I just edited the first post with some further thoughts.

Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:48 PMI agree with Spartacus it is just plain coincidence but at the end of the day the prometheus suits just poo all over the russian one, come on, it doesn't even have 360 degree view!

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:50 PM[b]Seriously? "agenda to promote all things Russia"? You're joking, right? I understand the opinion that the similarities could be accidental but...[/b]
no i'm not in fact I think it's a complete and deliberately fabricated pile of dung done by a Russian fan of the franchise.Hope that clears up any confusion.

Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:54 PMDo you think the suits come with a custom nappie?
Because with the things the crew of the prometheus encounter I would definitely recommend outfitting them with one lol
Hephaesta
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 8:29 PM@Deckard
I think you're on to something with that link. If it were just the suits, I'd be a little more wary...but once it was made clear that this Russian had a few big-name fans in the west, and that he also had transport designs nicked, and so on.... Well, what are the odds? Good catch, IMO.

allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:15 PMPlanet Bur is actually a pretty good film...
It [i]was[/i] made in 1962 and it [i]does[/i] look like that - so, personally, I can't see how it can then be revisionist Communist propaganda in that light: it really was there first. That is the fact, it cannot be true that saying so is propaganda and there must be a type of humour in saying it.
The similarities are so close I think the Production Designer must have drawn a little influence from it in the creative process I don't know why it would be a sensitive issue or somehow any insult to the Prometheus production to point this out....it seems quite normal. I'm sure Alien influenced many other films etc, etc, etc.

Deckard_B26354
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:16 PMI could really care less about where the influence came from. It could be a Russian, African, American or alien film for all I care. I do think that the suits were influenced by the ones in that film. As far as everything else talked about ie the "godfather of Star Wars" quote or the similarities of the EEV, I could care less about. Now that I re-read it it does seem propaganda-ish.
If you watch the making of featuretes and docs for RS films over and over again like I do ie Kingdom of Heaven, Body of Lies, and anything that he and Janty have collaborated on then you know that RS and Janty Yates steep themselves in everything from where real spacesuits have been and where they are going as well as the history of space suits in films as well as all other kinds of stuff I have no idea about. So it's not far fetched that RS saw these suits and said something like "See, that makes sense to have glass all the way around the helmet almost 360. Only lower the back part a little where they can see behind them better." Which looks exactly like what was done. There's even that round by the ears on both helmets.
When the dvd hits and Charles de Lauzirika makes the making of doc I'm sure we will find out if the suits were in fact influenced by the films which I believe is the case.

artyoh
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:22 PMNo.....just...NO. There have been half a gazillion streamlined spacesuit iterations in sci-fi art, films, etc. over the last 50 years, any number of which would bear [i]some[/i] superficial resemblance to the form-fitting, fully-domed helmets of the Prometheus suits.

Engineer Xeno - Chr1s
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:23 PMIn all fairness, and with complete respect, does it really matter there is a coincidentiality between the suits?
I mean the suits in Alien to me look very much like 1960's Moon spacesuits, with the colour scheme and overall blockiness, the only thing noticably different being the colour of the glass (Alien - translucent) (Moon-Gold).

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:25 PMJust FYI big "D" I got nothing but respect for Russia...what I do have though is first hand knowledge that Russians are every bit as enterprising and deep thinking as we North Americans are and they can Play Hockey which is big points in my book !!! I also know how extremely enterprising Russians are when it comes to ART/FILM and of course the Internet !!! That's part of my point too, it was enterprising and intelligent thought but it was "reaching big time "IMO" to put a Russian Stamp on this thing that will never ever belong on it. At the same time I think the subject of Space suits History in real life is a fascinating one!!!

Ruhaniya
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:31 PMTechnically the suits from the Nostromo are almost the same, it's a classic sc-fi design so we can see the astronauts faces scream in terror!
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LazaPBEV-1c/TM6NKE_2vTI/AAAAAAAACZU/ALwPxdUP4gc/s1600/Mindwarp.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.sfsite.com/grc/1204/alien1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.xl-shop.com/xlshop/product_images/HOTTOYS/HT_ALIEN_OFFICER_KANE.jpg[/img]
I really like this version of Kane with a mustache

alphatechsungun
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 7:55 PMAny one who is a true sci fi fan should be familiar with the russian sci fi of the 60's and 70's. dont dis em till you see em. esp planet of storms and solaris (not the one with george cloony. though it is good too) (the novel by stanislaw lem is brilliant). very thoughful movies from what i've seen. planet of storms has special effects that just pisses over everything till star wars came out. the only exception being 2001 (being directed by another englishmen).

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 8:20 PM
@ Ruhaniya: Great image. Space terror!
I for one am loving the whole 50's space adventure vibe I'm getting from the design and photography/cinematography. Heroic scientists in their cool space suits face unimaginable horror. And it's all consonant with the aesthetic established by Moebius and company in the original. For me that suggestion of innocence really amps up the dread.

sukkal
MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 8:38 PM
How about "[u]All[/u] spacesuits (Russian-inspired, or not) are 'cheesy' ’cause they're so [u]overused[/u] in so many SciFi films period." ??
Maybe Holloway is a visionary... ??
(Or maybe he just watched to many Star Trek episodes? M-class planets are incredibly convenient. You have to admit.)

Osiris
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 12:44 AMUSA USA USA USA!!!!
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P_R0-gxaDXw/TcDDzdYcYtI/AAAAAAAAUu8/oT-p6UrqfPw/s1600/oly.bmp.jpg[/img]

abiogenesis
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 1:18 AMI love Tartovsky's Solaris. Although I love his Stalker even better. Wow, what films. Both left me shaking for days.
(The Solaris remake wasn't too bad, just unnecessary. It had more heart than brain. Viola Davis was spectacular in it, though. I wish she'd had more screen time!)

DrunkRuedi
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 11:06 AMIs that the reason they get to see it before everyone else?

Mafetu
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 3:40 PMI think the suits might have looked different if they'd had more time but since they were "russian" ... (groan)
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