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MemberOvomorphJun-10-2012 5:32 PM
Allright. Before i start; As much as i'd like to speculate more, discuss theories and whatnot, i want to get down to the negative aspects. The disappointments, and dissatisfaction that was felt by everyone.
It can help make the next movies better, and help refine it to make it a more complete, flaw-free experience.
I've got a TON of things i question, and would love to discuss, but i feel it's right to finally put up a thread exclusively about the negatives of the movie.
I might throw in a little discussion/elaboration on certain things in this initial post that AREN'T related directly to the things i didn't like. But other than that, it's about the negatives.
ALSO, feel FREE to post in some things you liked, to counter the negatives, and rule out what was otherwise excellent.
Consider this the megathread, so post away in here... or not? Whatever.
Anyhow.
What disappointed me?
Well. It was simple. One main negative factor was the pacing, and vague, incoherent and quick sections of the movie.
Everything from Vickers' squishing. *run, run; *girly short scream* SHABLAM!*
To Janek's ...' Ok...let's do this ' mentality in regards to stopping the ship, and subsequent "HAND-JOB!" before crashing into it...
It was all so sudden, and abrupt. Another solid 20 minutes of action would have helped space things out, and eliminate scenes such as those.
I left the theatre with a big "WTF?", just thinking about the abrupt nature of the movie.
Things such as the Engineer's reaction after David speaking, isn't really of my concern. The guy was simply frustrated.
I mean, how would you feel if some folks woke YOU up (not of your own people, to boot), and argued, and tried to communicate with you, at the same time? If you look at the way he looked at Shaw while she was talking, he seemed like he was very focused, and was listening. Then pulled a Kansas City Shuffle. Looking left, right, left again, centre, left back to David.
Arguing incoherently + being violent + Engineer that just awoke from 2000+ year cryostasis + 'Who expected this' situation = People dying.
WHO THE HELL WANTS TO WAKE UP TO SEE THAT?!
Clearly he just thought "f*** it".
No... I don't question things like that, among other things people consider "plotholes" but i won't delve deeper into that... L-O-L
It's like watching Star Wars, and saying 'Why's Darth Vader the bad guy", "Why did Obi Wan disappear?"
SHUT, UP! You'll find out!
FFS...
Furthermore. Certain scenes, such as the surgery scene, were unnecessary.
It was evident, from the start, as soon as that scene began, that it was Ridley Scott's answer to the chestburster scene. THAT was supposed to be the scene that made us cringe, and stoop down in our seats.
I wasn't grossed out, i just laughed...
Especially when Shaw said "I need cesarean".
I couldn't help but interpret it as a sort of dark humour. The scene was completely unnecessary.
What should have happened: Shaw gets sedated by Dave, they start surgery, and extract the thing; ala Resurrection. Ripley 8s queen extraction.
I know what Ridley Scott did...
He wanted to cater to the fapping closet dork Alien fans. Which is cool, don't get me wrong! But... still. This should have leaned more towards a pure Sci-Fi film, with less horror.
Another thing.
The frustrating scenes... ugh. Case and point; Milburn’s dumb ass. Him being so fascinated by the Cobralien.
That whole scene was nothing but a frustrating, annoying mess. He should have just gotten killed by the thing while being a typical scientist. Which lead to Fifield's infection.
See what i mean by putting in a solid, extra 20 minutes? Not even, could have been 10-15 at most.
Fifield could have wandered off after Milburn's death, and been a victim to the goo in a different manner.
And finally, the Engineer.
I really couldn't look at him as the bad guy. If there were at least more clear indications of him being a victim of craziness ( because all his buddies on the base died ), or infection, i would have seen him as a bad guy.
I didn't. Sorry. Despite the fact that he ripped off David's cage, domed Weyland with David's head, punted his attacker, and threw another across the room.
The Engineer had SO, MUCH, F***ING MOMENTUM!
WOW!
Once he was done dispatching everyone in the room, one of my two favourite scenes starts. Hell, opinions aside... one of the two best scenes in the ENTIRE movie, PERIOD, starts!
The way he fires up the pilot's seat, is absolutely amazing!
How he looks around, eyeing all of the controls quickly. Firing up the ship.
Taking one, big breath before the mask goes over his face. Absolutely STUNNING!
That, coupled with the sounds the ship was producing, was DIRTY! I was loving every second of that.
Now, with that being said. That, is what i meant when mentioning "momentum".
Solidifying the abrupt ways of the movie.
Furthering on the Engineer. I really didn't like watching the guy struggle with the... Trilobite, is it now? No more bodyhugger? Cuddles? Pentapus? No...? Oh, darn...
Well, anyway. I didn't like the scene. I just thought that the Engineer, once stopped, was going to infect himself somehow, with the goo. And then proceed to turn into the Xenomorph, as per his will. After all, it infects everyone differently, right?
It could have been the last thing he wanted. He was stopped, but created the Xeno, through himself, as a last ditch effort.
The ending, i can't penalize too much. I didn't find anything wrong with it. Especially when you take into account the events that occured prior. For what the movie is, in terms of content. The ending couldn't have been better, really.
So there you have it. Post away!
Looking forward to hearing what everyone DIDN'T like about the movie, what they could have done differently, and supporting that with the things you liked!
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Legendary Xenomorph
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 5:23 AMI like the prequel but their were 2 things that dissapointed me.
1. The film speed up the pace of the story.
2. I jumped once or twice but the rest wasn't that scary to me.
Zex
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 5:30 AMThe glacial pace. Remember the adrenaline rush of THE Alien (not the things that came after)? The plot is scarse.
The pool table. C'mon... I'm not even asking how the managed to travel faster than light but you would expect that a mission like this would only carry the utmost necessary items. After all it costed a trillion... (to carry cigars, champagne, christmas trees, a pool table,...)
In the life boat of a woman, the machine that can only operate men. Enough said.
Where did the embryo taken out from Shaw fed to grow so much? Where did it get the food?
The SOUND of thrusters in space. Only Kubrick (2001 a space odyssey 1968!) had the balls to get it right: In space there is no sound. Period.
Vickers out of context sex 'scene'. Absolutely out of context and character.
The way the crew behaves. Like construction workers. It takes me away from the movie mindset. Smoking and a christmas tree? A total put off. I'm not expecting them not to behave like humans but at least like trained professionals or going across the galaxy is just another day at the construction site? They would be considered with a serious attitude problem on any actual company.
Over and out for now.
David 1
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 8:32 AMEverything I found odd is in my review:
[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7904]Review[/url]
Cheers
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
Merc7
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 10:26 AMBasically the whole second part of the film was a disappointment. The film is schizophrenic; It builds up the tension like a classic sci-fi, and then completely changes direction and gets LOST among the stupid turns, plot holes, weird acting, stupid dialogue. The list goes on...
I really loved the initial space sequences though.
Zed68
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 12:30 PMGetting a little tired of hearing how dumb Milburn was for trying to "pet" the snake. He said he was attempting to mesmerize it. There's a big difference with regards to intent. Bad call, but still, there's a big difference. The guy was a biologist and operating within his area of expertise.
Also, enough with bashing the crew. Prometheus was staffed with a typical terra-forming scout team; none of them were in the know as to the specifics of the mission except Shaw, Holloway, David and Vickers. Vickers clearly stated 1) she's in charge and 2) that she views the mission as a joke, which is probably why the ship wasn't staffed a bit more hardcore in the first place.
There were really only 2 things about the film I didn't care for;
1) As many have, said uneven pacing with a lot of right angles; seems like the editing could have been a lot better, but I'll wait for the director's cut, which usually smoothes out a lot of the wrinkles.
2) Holloway. He came off as an arrogant, macho d-bag, not much of a scientist. I couldn't wait till he got killed off; apparently David couldn't either. While I assume his abrasiveness was a plot device, I beleive this particular character would have been better done as well a meaning, over curious nerd type. It's always more horrifying when a likable character meets a bad end.
Prenihility
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 12:41 PM@Spartacus. Ya sound like a fanboy. Come on, now...
If you can't interpret what i said, here it is in simpler words:
I would like everyone to share their thoughts of the movie.
SHABLAM.
Zed68
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 12:54 PMSound thrusters in space - added for drama. I would assume you'd be able to hear and feel them inside the ship, right?
Med-pod in a woman's lifeboat being calibrated for a man - big deal, the vast majority of the crew was male. I'd assume recalibration is probably not that big of a deal, given he level of tech we're talking about.
Rate of growth of post c-section face hugger - anyone want to speculate how the xenomorphs in 1 & 3 grew from 10 inch buggers to 7 foot monsters in the span of hours? If suspension of disbelief doesn't do it for you, these are ALIENS, perfect organisms that are designed at the genetic level to do exactly what the do.
Zed68
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 1:13 PMI'll certainly agree with those who say this wasn't that scary. Alien & Aliens were both pants-sh!tters. This movie had a few semi-intense moments, but they all had fairly predictable results.
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MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 1:16 PMWow, that is certainly a lot of writing, well done everyone now please make sure you place you name at the top of the paper and turn it in. Extra credit will be given for any diagrams or drawing relating to your paper.
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RW
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 1:50 PMThese forums are good in that what looks like a plothole or a non-sensical scene to one is recognized by another as valid, but seriously who has time to respond to each and every one? Doesnt anyone have a job? Anyway here are a couple of examples. Scott uses a really contemporary reference, holding up your arms ala rollercoaster bravado, to get Janek and the twocrewmen (thieves) on either side to strike a crucifix pose just before sacrificing their lives in a fiery death to save humankind. This was put in there on purpose friends.
Another example, Vickers pod has the boys only surgical unit because Daddy was supposed to make the trip not her. He says to her that hes surprised she came when they are re-united because she had objected to the mission. She had to stay somewhere when she decided to come so she just took the best room.
Having offered a sample of answers to questions posed above Im sure others can resolve a number others for those still confused.
My biggest one besides why are there so many different monsters (does it have something to do with what creature the black goo interacts with - human, engineer, earthworm, etc.) is how can Fifeld get lost when he's the bloody geographic expert with the probes and mapping scan? Thats just ridiculous.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 1:55 PMI guess we'll see in some time again now if he even does another if he can better himself in almost everyone's eyes! I
RingWraith9
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 7:19 PMTechnical Inconsistencies...
#1) the size of the engineers was far from consistent with the film "Alien". In Prometheus they stood approx. 8-9 feet tall. In Alien, they were at least 12-13 feet tall (theri forearm alone, was almost as large as a man's torso!). The helmet/suit concept didn't work for me. I found the the original ectoskeltal alien much more ominous and intriguing, than a big guy wearing a sort-of bone-like suit. Additonally, the helmet made the engineer's head proportaionally too large (see the scene in Alien).
#2) Music was awful in Prometheus. It was too "Star Trekkie-like". Didn't help the film's effectiveness.
#3) The engineer's ship was not presented as "organic" in any way. The temple was alright, but when they were in any part of the engineer's spacecraft, it should have resembled the derelict ship seen in Alien... organically grown, and not 'built'!
#4) The space jockey in Alien was "grown" onto the chair, yet this organic feature was not present in Prometheus.
#5) Old man Weyland was poorly casted, developed.
#6) I didn't find myself caring for any of the characters. Had no sympathy. Result of poor writing and character development.
#7) For a bunch of scientists, they were awfully clumsy, inconsistent and plain stupid.
#8) There absolutely must be a sequal, only developed to be much more of a suspense/thriller, with ominous overtones! This could preserve Prometheus to be an adequate semi-prequal. Otherwise, as a stand alone, Prometheus missed the mark (disappointed in Ridley Scott -- had much higher hopes).
Prenihility
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 10:22 PMYou have to come to terms with the fact that opinions are always present. And many, many things are subjective.
BUT, there IS a definitive answer to everything, and a right, and wrong way of doing everything.
Take the original Alien, for example.
Did i like the movie? Yes. Not as much as the average hardcore Alien fan, no.
BUT, for what it WAS, can i realistically say it could have been better? NO!
Absolutely not. The movie was PERFECT, for what it was. It couldn't have been better.
And that's where discussions like these come in.
Opinions aside, in SOME aspects.
There definately is a route that can be taken, to satisfy everyone.
Not everyone may like it equally, but that doesn't matter.
betterthancrystalskull
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 12:03 AMI LOVED this movie. There were only a couple of moments that were a bit average on first viewing- but ive come to love them too. I just cannot understand why people would diss this movie. Ive read some fan fiction on this site (which is all WAY worse) and the comments about the milburn/fifield characters/story-line, pacing etc is all wrong and stupid. Yes, the movie has fast pacing, hard out editing, unanswered questions and weird motives/explanations at times. but this makes it awesome. I hope we dont find out (even if it takes 3 more movies) why the engineers hate us. And so should you!
you TOO can love prometheus with my step-by-step guide.
First:
A) Stop comparing it to Alien
B) Stop trying to make perfect sense of a sci-fi movie and enjoy that a decent director has returned to the fox-ruined alien fanchise (respect to Ridley for trying to bring that pile of resurrection back to life)
C) Appreciate that you are alive in a time when people are making sci-fi films about things coming out of people's chests and not in boring medieval times
D) Get drunk and go see it with friends
Finally- and i really mean this- just shut up if you didn't like it- this was the best thing to happen to the alien franchise since Aliens. Everyone dissing it will only put off Ridley doing another one or ruin the budget for another film and we will get crappy CGI aliens like in resurrection. Stop being so ungrateful. imagine if you had unlimited cash to make an aliens movie. what would you do? um...space marines? again? maybe a queen or two? running down corridors? and an escape at the end with all questions answered and making sense? yea, thatd be rad and we totally wouldnt have seen any of that coming. im glad this film was weird and was a diss to some fans who didnt get it. Thats how Ridley does it- he makes films unapologetically. Just remember my steps and know that you or anyone else couldnt have done any better. this is as good as it was gonna be, because Ridley had heaps of cash and heaps of time to do it and plan it. Who are you to criticise him? he came up with the whole Giger horror thing in space. what have you done? thats right, terrible fan-fiction. so just relax and look forward to prometheus 2!
jamilmereck
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 12:24 AM***SPOILER ALERT**
1) This started as a Con then as I realized the possibility of sequels (fingers crossed) then it became a pro....but i went into the film as i think most did (barring those forum flies who are all up in spoilers before hand) thought we were seeing the ship on LV426-Acheron, where Alien takes place, and again Aliens.... So realizing when the engineer that got knocked up in the end birthed the way he did, it was like..hey...not the same planet (although this might have been evident to anyone who had memorized LV426 and the dr.s explained their thesis to the group...i think the planet was labeled LV223.... So anyway, with the prospect of sequels via what's her face's trip back with david (who will likely turn on her and kill her...or could anyway at any point if he disagrees with her or she otherwise pushes his buttons....
2) Con..pacing.....was very slow to start...i found myself falling asleep in the beginning for seconds at a time....
3) Not enough on the engineers...i mean not even a single word....and I'm sorta kinda bummed that they are humanoid also..but whatever..it's a movie made by and for humans...so we do so love to deify ourselves even if vicariously through our potential ancestry...
4) LOVED the visuals...except so much of it was so dark...a typical problem with Alien, which was part of what made it so scary...but since Aliens and seeing them...it's like...I wanna SEE the stuff...aliens use lighting too, i'm sure...brighten it up a bit next time...
overall....i'm fascinated with the concept and have loved Aliens forever and am thrilled at the opportunity to delve into a history...hopefully they do it right and follow all the way through to completion...i thnk it has great potential and i will ride along with it all the way...even to by the blurays..
jamilmereck
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 12:34 AM***SPOILER ALERT**
1) This started as a Con then as I realized the possibility of sequels (fingers crossed) then it became a pro....but i went into the film as i think most did (barring those forum flies who are all up in spoilers before hand) thought we were seeing the ship on LV426-Acheron, where Alien takes place, and again Aliens.... So realizing when the engineer that got knocked up in the end birthed the way he did, it was like..hey...not the same planet (although this might have been evident to anyone who had memorized LV426 and the dr.s explained their thesis to the group...i think the planet was labeled LV223.... So anyway, with the prospect of sequels via what's her face's trip back with david (who will likely turn on her and kill her...or could anyway at any point if he disagrees with her or she otherwise pushes his buttons....
2) Con..pacing.....was very slow to start...i found myself falling asleep in the beginning for seconds at a time....
3) Not enough on the engineers...i mean not even a single word....and I'm sorta kinda bummed that they are humanoid also..but whatever..it's a movie made by and for humans...so we do so love to deify ourselves even if vicariously through our potential ancestry...
4) LOVED the visuals...except so much of it was so dark...a typical problem with Alien, which was part of what made it so scary...but since Aliens and seeing them...it's like...I wanna SEE the stuff...aliens use lighting too, i'm sure...brighten it up a bit next time...
overall....i'm fascinated with the concept and have loved Aliens forever and am thrilled at the opportunity to delve into a history...hopefully they do it right and follow all the way through to completion...i thnk it has great potential and i will ride along with it all the way...even to by the blurays..
Rei
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 3:08 AMPacing Pacing Pacing Pacing Pacing Pacing Pacing!
The more towards the end the more things are rushed.
It didn't give enough time for the horror to sink under your skin before it's blown away by other urges, and at the end didn't even leave enough time for you to feel the desperation...
SmartGun
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 8:20 AMRushed, not dark enough, cheesy star trek score, cheesy poor dialogue.
They just discovered the greatest find in man kinds history of where we came from and nobody seemed to give a shit imo. Nobody knew each other waking up or what their mission was wtf? No protocol for bringing an alien head on just brought it aboard. Scientist trying to pet an alien snake like a dog. Running in a straight line when the ship is crashing behind them. Two dudes 'your a shit pilot' just kill themselves by crashing prometheus no ifs or buts. So non believable some of the things.
There is so much more I can say I was gutted when I was leaving the cinema A great idea/story but the script let it down.
oilslickrick
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 10:30 AMThe most disappointing aspect?.......the groans of the audience during the most ridiculous parts of the film/most excruciating sections of dialogue, and the deafening bewildered silence leaving the theater...........the sound of shattered dreams......mine included.
Prenihility
MemberOvomorphJun-16-2012 6:25 PM@oilslickrick
Yeah...haha. You nailed it.
Heard a "That was RETARDED" right when the credits started to roll. I LOL'd.
iAmShroOmz
MemberOvomorphJun-17-2012 3:23 AMI really agree on the mismatch of the movie score. I thought the score would have been more dark and mysterious to fight the movie. But then again this movie is based on the discovery of mankind so I guess? But really, the dark visuals of this movie do imply that the score should have been a bit more intense than it was. That's probably the only turn-off I can find.
Charles Austin Miller
MemberOvomorphJun-17-2012 4:41 AMRhetorical questions... What if Ridley Scott decided to remake his groundbreaking ALIEN film with no significant character changes, no real story changes, and MUCH LESS horror and suspense?
And what if Ridley Scott did it essentially to exploit modern special effects technology in order to recycle his own obsolete, formulaic space fantasy cliches to an unsuspecting new generation?
That's the entire problem with PROMETHEUS — it leaves that stale ALIEN taste in your mouth, but without ALIEN's redeeming qualities, such as an original script, original monsters, and characters about whom you actually CARE.
As far as I'm concerned, PROMETHEUS is Ridley Scott's belated answer to George Lucas deciding to digitally enhance and edit STAR WARS IV, okay? And that aint good.
Magnamuz
MemberOvomorphJun-17-2012 5:10 AMI disliked ALL THE GAPS that at least I didn't see explained:
1) Why the engineers wanted to kill humans? I'm guessing is to go to live on earth? Their planet was dying? I don't know, nothing is explained.
2) If Weyland appears in Alien 3, were Aliens already exist, why is Weyland here as well? Was it really an android in Alien 3? There's no connection between franchises then? Don't know...
3) I have to understand that all the holograms were security cameras?........ :S
4) From what were the engineers running and dying in piles?
5) If those bugs were supposed to be sent to earth to kill humans, what was the plan then? Invade earth later with those things running around?
6) How all those civilizations saw those stars so far away? And which was the "invitation" if the engineers wanted to kill them all? So it was no invitation? So the engineers didn't teach them their location? SO HOW AND WHY THEN DID THEY DREW THAT STAR ALIGNMENT???
7) Other ships buried all over the place? WTF?
8) Why couldn't the engineers do all that plan that they had, from their home planet?
9) How the hell did the DNA matched 100% if the species is, at least, physically different? I don't share the same DNA with my own mother, and she's is my mother!
10) OK, I got to the supposition that the intro scene means the origin of the human raze evolving from the broken DNA in the water. But why did they did that? They were testing planets for life subsistence? Again, their planet was dying from something?
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND #$%&!!!
Charles Austin Miller
MemberOvomorphJun-17-2012 9:45 AM[b]*****SPOILERS******SPOILERS*******SPOILERS******SPOILERS
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Well, what I got out of [i]Prometheus[/i] is that Ridley Scott probably filmed the FIRST TWO installments of this franchise simultaneously, then surgically separated them — meaning an early sequel, maybe by the end of the year.
No doubt, MUCH will be explained in the sequel; however, MUCH is fairly obvious from the first film — such as the differentiation between the Engineers who seeded humanoid life across the galaxy and the LATER Engineers who are attempting to eradicate humanoid life across the galaxy.
If you know your Judaeo-Christian mythology, you are acquainted with certain cosmic conflicts that immediately followed the creation of Mankind. Supposedly, the Archangel Lucifer took exception to God showing such favoritism toward lowly Mankind; so Lucifer staged a major coup against God, resulting in a Heavenly WAR.
As you probably know, Lucifer and one-third of all the angels in Heaven were defeated and KICKED OUT of Heaven — they were cast down to the Earth, actually. Lucifer thus became better known as Satan, whose dominion is Earth, and the cast-out angels became his demonic minions.
Although it doesn't expressly mention Satan in the Garden of Eden, the Old Testament book of [i]Genesis[/i] explains that "a serpent" (generally assumed to be Satan) [b]contaminated[/b] Mankind and passed godlike awareness to Man, which just INFURIATED God. That's the [i]Tree of Knowledge[/i] story with Eve and Adam eating the "forbidden fruit," right.
[i]Genesis[/i] also mentions "giants in the Earth" that were, supposedly, the offspring of humans and the cast-out angels.
Interestingly, there are OTHER mythologies like this, describing a divine being deliberately passing godlike awareness and knowledge to humankind, which just totally pisses off the ultimate Creator. One such mythology is that of [i]Prometheus[/i], the Greek Titan who passed along the secret of fire to Mankind, which INFURIATED Zeus, right.
Are you starting to see where this is going?
In the film [i]Prometheus[/i], giant beings are depicted in very ancient cave art all around the world. These giants of old seem to be pointing to their place of origin, a star cluster way off in the sky.
Right. You're getting it now, eh?
The giants depicted in the cave paintings were the [i]fallen[/i] Engineers (angels, Titans, whatever you want to call them) who were CAST OUT from the greater Engineer civilization and who CONTAMINATED Mankind with godlike awareness.
Fast-forward a few tens of thousands of years, and Mankind is using this godlike awareness to create such advanced technology that we can now SEE and even TRAVEL to the home star system of the Engineers.
In short, the film [i]Prometheus[/i] finds humanity traveling to Heaven, where God resides. Or to Mount Olympus, where Zeus resides.
Little do the spacefarers suspect that Mankind, contaminated as it is with Lucifer's/Prometheus' forbidden knowledge, is NOT WELCOME in Heaven (or Mount Olympus, or whatever you want to call the Engineers' home).
In fact, the remaining Engineers (angels, whatever) seriously intend to EXTERMINATE these bastard children of the gods.
So, when they awaken one of the Angelic Engineers and he realizes he's looking at the contaminated offspring of [i]Lucifer[/i] — the mutant human children of [i]Prometheus[/i] — the Angelic Engineer goes berserk on them.
Didn't it make you wonder just a little why the film kept focusing on the girl's necklace, bearing a Christian Cross? The movie is deliberately evoking Judaeo-Christian mythology, in addition to the very similar aspects of Greek mythology.
But I mean, this much is obvious in the first film; undoubtedly, it will be more fully explained in the second.
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