Big Disappointment - why no mmention of exploring the other temple mounds

Ralphie
MemberOvomorphJune 13, 20121077 Views16 RepliesA beautiful looking mess. Plot absurdities and poor character development. Did you really care what happened to anyone?
I won't rehash the obvious plot hole resulting from a poorly written screenplay, but one point bothers me. There are 4 or 5 "temples". One is explored and mapped. Without any further exploration or plans to expolre the additional temples the "scientists" (particularly Holloway) start making assumptions that the Engineers are all dead, and that the entire planet is a dead end.
Just stupid writing. What a bomb.
June 14, 2012
I agree.Been waiting since 1979 for this and we get Scoobie doo in space. This movie is a visual treat especially in 3D but it not only makes me wonder whether Ridley Scott has lost or whether he ever had it in the first place.Ridley can make a great looking film but he doesn't do closure ,the same way Stephen King cant.He doesn't do clever twists or complicated plots.Alien was simple and great,so was Gladiator.,We are still debating what Bladerunner was about 30 years on.As to the visuals they are HR Geiger as Bladerunner was Moebius so even the look is borrowed (we used to say stolen).
The ships crew are B movie stupid in a teen slash horror way,a young man is cast as an old man,Why ? (Deleted scenes to come ?)and the Earths dumbest are sent to shake hands with God while dodging gaping plot holes that open before them.The fallen ship dodging seen is comical and cringe worthy.
I desperately wanted to see this film and went at the earliest opportunity but If I wanted to be patronized in this way I would have gone to see Abraham Lincoln Vampire hunter with the kids.
June 13, 2012
I think it is implied that that is where Shaw and David are going next to get a new engineer ship. I also believe it to be understood that they are exploring the one closest to the landing ship first, due to it being easier, and never anticipated the events of the movie to take place. They may have been interested in exploring the others if they safely went through the first one.
June 13, 2012
Well what happened during the first visits in the first temple, didn't reallyy leave them any time to safely continue with the rest.
It would have been nice to see Shaw and David getting into the next ship, but i guess the bond stage had limited space.
June 13, 2012
The problem is that the story was rushed, so everything start going wrong right after the first visit, and before they can plan further explorations (or even mention the other pyramids), other priorities emerge.
There is no initial build-up or background (and I don't mean answers, I don't necessarily need them), so all the events follow like a landslide or an avalanche.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
June 13, 2012
THE WHOLE FILM sounds like it was 'rushed through production'.
Don't know why, but THIS MESSAGE had to be delivered to YOU THE PEOPLE as soon as possible.
:)
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June 13, 2012
Actually something was rushed. The whole mission, especially putting it in the hands of Holloway and Shaw. Shaw is smarter than Holloway, but she doesn't seem to exercise any control over him, she's not very assertive as a character.
When the captain said that there was about 6 hours to nightfall, whose idea was it to rush out to the nearest dome "to open his presents" ?
Holloway.
Does he get the probes sent in first to map the place? No. Just straight in to what is closest to him.
And you think it's the writers who made a mistake not showing you the domes?
And who decided that the star map was supposed t lead them to LV-223 in the first place?
Did you notice anything faulty about the logic used in his 'navigation'? I think I did.
June 13, 2012
@Citadel535
That implication is at the [i]end[/i] of the film - after everyone has made the assumption the OP is talking about and on the basis of which Hollaway spends his afternoon, crying into his champagne - then, suddenly, at the end of the film, the other temples come into play to give Shaw and her bag of David parts, a ship.
Yes, they explored the nearest, fair enough - but to not actually mention the others is a little strange, when you are then going to re-introduce them as directly significance as a device at the end, without having referenced them previously: that seems poor.
Furthermore, rather than being an irrelevance, the failure to deal with the other temples only causes yet [i]more[/i] problems -
The ship of the very first temple they enter is the one that has a sleeping and angry SJ in it - oh, but not the others?
They're just going to borrow a ship from another temple and [i]that[/i] one happens to be unoccupied?..
As it stands, that seems an awkwardness of tremendous convenience to me, but its only awkward because it doesn't seem to have been properly handled - there are things that could have been done to make that actually work.
It's really sad that this film is so easy to dismantle and that they haven't even allowed people to discuss the damned thing properly because, in the simple act of discussing it, practically [i]all[/i] you can do is tear it down - unavoidable, because it was so badly built!..
I'm angry about it.
June 13, 2012
@ShinobiX9X
Yes that logically explains what happens, they had not finished exploring the Temple and you would assume yes they would go back and provided nothing bad happened you have to assume that they would then had taken time to explore the others...
But after the 2nd visit well it was pretty much out of the plan due to the risk...
The only thing they had going was that indeed David had come across a Engineer in stasis and that it was worth exploring and waking him up because he was the reason they came and what they was looking for.
Yes maybe it was wrong for the crew to assume that all the Engineers was dead on the plannet.....
But then again was it not from David that they found out about that? Maybe somehow David had been able to find out that there was nothing else to find in the other temples, and one has to assume thats the case...
Because if there was more Engineers and their ships, then the first thing the Engineer would have done was alerted the other Engineers.
The fact he never, and the fact that some how David and Shaw got to another Derelict and took off must mean they could not have come across any more Engineers on their way to the hanger that contained the ship they left LV 223 in.
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June 13, 2012
If we assume that when Holloway says 'it's Christmas' that he means Dec 25th (i.e. they woke from Stasis 4 days before landing on the planet) ,,, and the action takes place over two days which don't seem too different in length from Earth days, there are some missing days between the destruction of the Prometheus, on Dec 27th, and the departure of the 2nd Juggernaut on Jan 1st. Presumably if they found anything interesting in there, we will see them playing with their new space toys at the start of the next film.
June 13, 2012
Funny how this whole site is full of people making excuses for bad writing.Trying to add substance where there is none. Phantom Menace redux?
June 13, 2012
From the shinny, trillion dollar bi-plane, they looked out of the cockpit and saw a temple to check out - thats the plan man. This ain't no Apollo or Mars landing zone mission, or spy check of Iranian nuc facilities down below. Land and go sci-fi ! ?
June 13, 2012
O'Bannon - to be fair, I think everyones expectations have been lofty because of who is involved with the project, the incredible detail and forethought that went into the marketing and viral campaigns, the numerous articles and interviews talking about the mythology and concepts that this woud explore, that RS track record in scifi speaks for itself - this isnt for kids.
RS said himself this was '2001 on steroids', that it 'will scare teh shit out of you', etc etc - it didnt do what it said on the tin, plain and simple. I feel more mugged here than I did with the Star Wars prequels simply because with the latter, I wasnt a kid anymore...it was my own fault for thinking that returning to that universe would mirror how I felt watching that as a kid
June 14, 2012
One possible explanation WHY they only rushed into the first temple with the engineers ( as we dont know about the others), and Davids behaviour:
perhaps it ALL IS JUST GOING BY THE PLAN OF WEYLAND. David is programmed by him, so he is following orders. Ok, halloways decision of unpacking ´his presents´right after landing and even before sunset is out of order, but David surely knows more than the others.(opening of doors, decifering, engaging Holos and engineer´s gear and ALSO taking one ampule on board right on the first visit)
this is no excuse whatsover for me..I´m dissapointed how they just [i]gave it away.[/i].