The Engineer/Xenomorph Connection

@ Hadley Never took that into account. Just the fact that they showed us what they wanted to show us. Although now that we touch upon the subject. It gave the Hammerpedes acidic blood. But still. Didn't turn them into Xenomorphs. Oh, and it made them aggressive. But still, the definitive use, is the Engineer's use of the black goo. That's the Engineer's role with the black goo.

Of course it didn't turn the little worms into Xenomorphs. Xenomorphs have two arms, too legs and a neck. As do humans and Space Jockeys. worms, are invertebrates, so they got teeth, acid blood but no limbs.

Yup the suit looks exactly like the Xeno's body. The Biomech stuff if you will.

Yeah, the Progenitor can only arise from Engineers. Plus, it brings Giger's Xeno life cycle to fruition. It shows what seem to be an Engineer with a mask on.

I said this before the options are... 1) Decon Xeno eventually gives birth to the Xeno, i.e creates Eggs. 2) The Black Substance via different events creates Alien Lifeforms depending upon the series of events and Organism that comes into contact with the Goo and how it comes into contact. Thus a simular set of events that lead to Shaws Trilobite Baby (bad name as its not a Trilobite FFS its a Squid/Octupus) and the resulting chest buster could have at a different time resulted in the Traditional Xeno. 3) The Traditional Xeno has had its Genetic Structure deconstructed into the substance simular to how the Sacrefice Engineer had his DNA deconstructed. Thus the Urns contain the broken down building blocks and DNA of the Xeno. So basically the Goo is like the common Egg.... meaning you can have fried Egg, Boiled Egg, make Cakes, make Pancakes etc etc... i.e there is more than one use and outcome for the Goo....

The goo does something rather similar to humans as well. We have the DNA, although without the gene inhibitors for nipples and body hair etc. Look at Fifield who got a face full of the stuff. His eyes are gone from the acid... Yet without eyes, he can quietly approach a ship (the nearest life forms not in stasis - note to Weyland Corp... you REALLY should have copied the stasis beds from the Juggernaut... would have saved Newt and Ripley.) He crouches down, lets someone approach and then launches a fierce attack with no fear or concern for his own safety. He just keeps on killing. Little trucks run him over and flame-throwers eventually subdue him. Gee... that ferocity reminds me of something I've seen before in a Ridley Scott film... and the truck going over it reminds me of something I saw in a James Cameron film once. If only I could recall what it was.

Yyyyeahhh... I don't think the Goo is the Xenomorph. When it reacts to something other than Engineers, anyway. Even when i saw the trailer, and saw the scene where Fifield jumps at someone, i kind of figured that whatever they get infected with, gives them Xenomorph characteristics. But we didn't see acidic blood. If RS added that in there, then it would be set in stone. But that wasn't the case. Plus, when you look at the simple fact that the Engineers have a mural about the Xenomorph, it's pretty clear that it means something to them, and they are directly involved. Also. One thing i forgot to mention in the OP. If you take a close look at the Engineer's entire suit. It actually looks as if it's integrated into HIM. Look at the hands, and how the suit runs down the length of his hands. Plus. I believe this further solidifies my theory on the Engineer's will to give life to the Xenomorph. He was on a mission, and he was pissed. I think that reflected the creation of the Progenitor/Deacon.

[u]But we didn't see acidic blood. If RS added that in there, then it would be set in stone. But that wasn't the case. [/u] You assume that the change is instant? That if he hadn't been killed by Janek, there would have been no further progression?

Hadleys hope--I asked this of you in another thread too---but if this is the case---was Holloway going to become a xeno? Or was he affected differently due to coming into contat with a smaller amount of goo do you think?

Holloway ingested a tiny amount of diluted goo. Fifield was physically steeped in it, as were the worms. The hammerpede was also extremely aggressive and unnaturally powerful for something ~ the size of an average terrestrial adult snake.

[i]"Oh, and it made them aggressive."[/i] @Prenihility - it gave them Fire. Think about the phrase describing someone as "all fired up." And when you are talking about sex and reproduction (which this movie is filled with), fiery passion can be another term for aggression. I'd bet good money that the writers had every single synonym for 'Fire' written down on a design board someplace.

I do love the look of the Engineer's bio-suit but it's a shame it had only two small 'pipes' or holes on its back, instead of the four that the classic Xeno has. It was still a great looking design.

The alien's shape being influenced by its host's makes sense in a way: Xenomorphs coming out of humans and Engineers/SJs, squid in the belly of Shaw, because it came out of a sperm. However, why would Xenomorphs product more identical Xenomorphs when using humans as hosts?

Nevermind the host's looks after it's born... Look at the classic Xeno (one born from a Human), and look at the Engineer. It's kinda scary... I just have this feeling that the connection, once revealed, will be incredibly sinister and evil. So much so, that i will actually want to change my mind about wanting the Engineer to live. As some of you may know...i'm a huge Engineer nut-swinger... so, yeah. *Puts on Engineer pyjamas before laying down in Engineer ship-shaped bed*

Here is a comment by Lindelof about the Deacon "I felt that the punchline of Prometheus was going to be that there is human DNA in what we have come to know as the human xenomorph."

I'm starting to see it this way.... Green Object + Black Goo = Egg Black Goo (Holloways sperm) + Shaws Egg = Giant Squid (Facehugger) + Engineer = Deacon The Deacon we saw erupt from the engineer, is identical to the one we see depicted in the mural. It was born in basically the same lifecycle as we see in the mural, EXCEPT, the Green Object + Black Goo = Egg/Facehugger... was replaced with Shaws Egg = Fetus/Squid. I think the xenos were created by the engineers as weapons. If the engineers sacrafice one of their kind to create a deacon queen at the altar (we know they can be sacraficial when creating life) their juggarnauts can then carry enough eggs to wipe out a planet. ....crazy ideas?

"But we didn't see acidic blood. If RS added that in there, then it would be set in stone. But that wasn't the case." We did.... the Hammerpede had Acid Blood, Fifield cut its head off and its head grew back like a Worm does but it sprayed Acid on Fifields Helmet, while his face is burning he falls to floor head first into the Goo. As i said the Fifield we see was for a reason, that is that Ridley did not want to use the other Fifields as he may had wanted to savour the Alien DNA until the money shot scene which is the Trilobite vs Engineer and then resulting Deacon Chest Buster. [img]http://i49.servimg.comhttps://scified.com/u/f49/17/19/14/78/fiefie13.jpg[/img] This is one Fifield that they was going to use, it was a animatronic. [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5mbb9x4ec1qg8i80o4_1280.jpg[/img] And the concept that evolved to that unused special effect piece. [img]http://cache.krop.com/ivanmanzella-4fd5eff410fa344.jpg[/img] Another Fifield concept. Finally the shot but not used Fifield CGI which we saw in Trailers attacking people with longer limbs. [img]http://cdn.chud.com/4/44/44852290_1340148988581.jpeg[/img] There are other Fifield concepts and most looked to Alien Xeno in DNA, the ones they finally shot was the last image in CGI and the actual one they used in the movie the swollen head Fifield. Now consider the Hammerpedes and the more Alien Fifield, these show the idea was that the Black Goo will mutate a Organism and this Organism will take on some Alien Xeno Traits. Now yes this goo does not change its victim directly into a Xeno, but then again not all life on Earth looks just like the Engineer, yet his DNA seeded life on Earth. This is why i feel the Urns contained broken down Xeno DNA, essentially the same as the Water Fall carried broken down Engineer DNA. Thus the Urns contain Xeno DNA and are made from the Xeno and not vice versa.

As far as Lindelofs bizarre comment... Well yes the Xeno was Human because... well it was from a Human was it not.... Kane was the host for the Original Xeno, Alien 3 expanded the idea that the Xeno Embryo takes on attributes of its host. The only other way to look at his comment is that he means regarding Prometheus and thus the Deacon, which means he is again hinting that the Deacon is the Progenitor to the Xeno, he did say this was the case and Ridley said Prometheus is where Mommy meets Daddy. But could that all be a Red Herring.....? Or is the comment about the Derelict being on LV 426 for thousands of years the Red Herring..? Who knows... to me the Mural does seem to show the Deacon more than the Xeno, and at the bottom in then shows Face Huggers and Humans so maybe it all hints that the Deacon is the Proto Xeno? I dont like or buy that idea, so it looks like we dont get a answer what we get is sent on a wild goose chase and maybe we will after Prometheus 3 find out exactly the origins of the Xeno.

Well My take on the goo is that it is a multi-purpose tool, like and possibly being) some kind of nano-machine filled substance, keyed to different uses according to the deployment it is going to be used in, That was a millitary outpost, so it is logicall to think it would have powerful weapons at their disposal. Maybe the whole equipment there is spoiled (being organic) after 2000 years of abandonment and the results are what we see in the movie so far. As the engineers at the holorecording were running towards that room, it is safe to assume it was the safest place in the whole installation, but little it helped them, as we saw their corpses found by Fifild. Were they running there to get weapons? This brings another question...the engineers at the juggernaut, where they from that installation, or were they from the attacking force? They entered the ship quite calmly on that recording...and what prevented them from taking off? Ship malfunction? It seems someone must be on the pilot's seat but no one was there, so why enter stasys there at the hangar? Questions....

Thanks for posting Voidhawk. Now. To get to something that's been on my mind for quite some time, now. I might have posted it already; i'm not looking back at my previous posts. Too lazy :D. But if someone remembers me saying this, don't hesitate to call it out. Alright. Four... Four stasis pods. Chambers. Whatever you wanna call 'em. And only one Engineer occupying one of the four pods. Also. I'm fairly certain that room and/or suit the Engineer was wearing, was very specific. Some questions to ask yourselves. Was the single remaining Engineer special from all the rest? Did he unleash the dangers of the Engineer base deliberately upon his comrades? Was he insane? Yes, i know, a bit of a goofy question. But, hey. It's possible. Why him, folks? Why, WHY ONE Engineer?! Why not... him and his friend Bob in the stasis pod across from him? Yes. It has holes, and looks like it can be pressurized. But you know, there could be a simple explaination as to why that wouldn't be straying to far off from my main theory about the suit. It simply has more than one function. The main thing i had in mind; it has SOMETHING to do with the Xenomorph. The suit is LITERALLY a part of the Engineer. When Weyland talks to the Engineer, and he moves his head left and right, you can see that it moves together with his head. It doesn't even look like a separate item. Also, taking a look at the hands. Starting from the the fingers, going all the way back to the palms. You see the "suit" gradually blends in with the remainder of his body. Now, that second functionality i mentioned earlier. Simple. He was in stasis. It does act as as pressure suit. But it's that ONE thing that i can't stop thinking about. The chest area. Or ribcage area. Well, where you'd THINK a ribcage it suppose to be. Looks exactly like a Xenomorph's body. Also. When the Deacon was born. We see that the back end of its head it sharp. The Deacon, is in fact... the Deacon on the mural. Same head. And why do i say this, you might ask? The sharp head is there, because it is necessary so the Deacon is able to break out of the Engineer's body when being born. We can even see it, clearly. When it's emerging from the Engineer's body, the point comes out. Which is necessary to break out of that hard outer shell of the Engineer's integrated... suit? I don't even know what to call it anymore. All of these things point towards the Engineers somehow having an exclusive connection to the Xenomorphs. I strongly believe the Xenomorph born from a human (or any compatible host). Which is possible through the lovely facehugger; is nothing more than the Engineers at work. It is a modification of the Xenomorph's birth process. Which leads me to my next thread. In the near future :D.