Did the crew really land on LV-223?

Also I would want to add.... This theory would not oppose all the mythology behind everything, so there's no inconsistencies there. In fact my theory would just run right along side all of that. It would explain the crappy characters ---(wether or not the fans, including myself think it made the movie bad or not) it doesn't matter, them being stupid test subjects would by far explain it and make more sense than just the people believing the script to be shit because nobody knew what they where doing when writing. It would answer the crews questions as to "why would our creators invite us here?'

I can explain scrappy characters - scrappy production, writing, and directing. End of line...

That's your opinion and I respect that, but that's not even the tip of the iceberg to my theory of them being fooled into thinking they where on one planet and really being on another. That was the main reason for my topic, so I'm asking nicely to please please and please keep the conversation related to that part of the discussion.

I am thinking that it could chain of planets near LV 223 at some specific distance where they have placed all the jars with guardian engineer.

The Engineers are not that bad.

@ Rubiros You could say the same thing about Peter Weyland, curing cancer, solving global warming and all that other stuff.....but when you mess around with trying to live forever, you cross the line. There is a reason why life is so sacred.

@deftones1986 you and everyone else make excellent points and they all make sense. Peter Weyland was dying... and there was no force in the Galaxy that would stop him from seeking immortality or a substitute for it. Money is nothing to Peter Weyland only life it's self. They did in fact land on LV-223.

@patch how do you know that they did "in fact" land on LV-223 and weren't all just tricked? Honest question...

"....What we do know is the movie oddly cuts from Shaw and Holloway at the Isle of Skye, to all of a sudden the ship docking before the atmosphere of a planet for mission briefing....." As big as Weyland Corp is..who was #2?.. And this 2nd.Company (knowing the status of Peter Weyland and knowing a bit about the Engineers) encourage Weyland Corp to take on this adventure ..using David..as an onboard guide. I mean what is a better way to become #1 than to destroy the industry leader,,,

It would be pretty hard to fool the flight crew into believing they arrived at their destination, when in fact they didn't- but were close enough to fudge. Yes the galaxy is a bit of a large space, but even now there are way-points in astrology that would expose an even minor error in navigation- on Earth not to mention when in or even near the actual solar system you're expecting to arrive in. If David messed with the programming (whilst all others were in stasis) Janek, Chance and ravel didn't seem the least bit suspicious or question having arrived where they thought they were traveling to. They didn't notice as they would have to have to at least some degree- and none of this was shown in the film. Also, the flight crew didn't seem even slightly connected to the corruption of the Weyland Corp. They were just professionals driving the bus containing high end passengers.

I don't think they would have mislead us about LV-223 without dropping some serious hints in the movie about where they actually were. From what I took out of the movie,the cave drawing 'invitations' show a group of planets/constellation? whatever , it seemed very vague to pinpoint one planet/moon, who says the Prometheus actually landed where we were 'invited' too , it might have actually been another nearby planet?

@ChaseNine Thanks for the praise buddy. It seems like so many people are reading my ideas, and everyone else's ideas, and taking them the wrong way. The reason I personally put my thoughts onto this forum, is not for people to take literally every meaning of every sentence as my final thoughts for the film. No, they are supposed to do what you did, and take whatever they believe to be "true" in the sense of solving some part of the "meaning" of the movie, and branching off with their own ideas as to what happened. That's why people become so negative, because instead of going through the info and weeding out all of the stuff that comes to a dead end, and [i]taking an alternate route from the stuff that COULD be possible[/i], which is exactly what you did my friend, they just come to the conclusion that if one idea is wrong, then that persons whole entire idea must be wrong. That's how mysteries are solved, and everybody should stop, and understand that yes, this movie is "Sci-fi Horror". But at the root of it all, it's the same as the first Alien, a Sci-fi Horror [b]MYSTERY[/b]. It just seems like all the negative critics, and moviegoers, get so mad, and don't want a movie to provoke any questions, and they just want to tell their friends or the audience that the movie was either "good" or "bad" and then move on to the next movie to watch.

I don't have too many answers, but I'd love to help speculate. And, I'll just gather some info online and throw it out randomly. According to a few online sources, the planet is LV-223, which is a moon to Calpamos which is a giant gas ring world. Calpamos has three moons, one is 223 (the planet in Prometheus), the second is Acheron, or 'LV-426' (the planet from Alien) and a third one, unnamed to my knowledge. Calpamos, the saturn-like planet, is a part of a bigger system called Zeta Reticuli, which all orbit a star called Gliese 86. Much like our solar system, and our sun. Obviously they're nearby each other, and I think some out there (deftones, looks like you have) already researched this too, but for those who don't know, these planets are all pretty close by in the cosmic perspective of the Alien/Prometheus Universe. To begin, let me just say that I agree with some of your points, or rather, some of your perspective, deftones1986 (also, I love Deftones too, nice Screenname)... But you are wrong in a few areas. I am not here to argue, just to offer my opinion. First topic: you posted this, "[i]Since the original ALIEN was directed by Ridley Scott, why wouldn't he have that film be the main connection to PROMETHEUS, after all the original was his baby.[/i]" To answer that. Ridley Scott explained in a youtube interview I watched about how he'd need several movies to connect Prometheus to the first Alien. This isn't to say that the Alien born at the end of Prometheus does NOT connect the first Alien movie; actually quite contrary - it DOES connect them, but in such a vast perspective. You can't just have the first Xeno that was ever born form the story of the first Alien film - if you remember, there are thousands of Xeno eggs in Alien and there are many many years holding between the events of Prometheus and the events of Nostradamus and LV-426. Let me interrupt myself by saying also, that I absolutely HATE how much negative criticism and reception Prometheus is getting for this topic alone. I just explained in a paragraph what whole entire threads and/or forums are (still) arguing about, when clearly they don't even like the Alien franchise enough to really justify any sort of positive outlook on why and how Prometheus and the events contained therein are, in fact, relevant and do, in fact, have serious significance in the perspective of both storylines. Not only that, but who gives a flying f**k. Both films, completely separate from each other, are outstanding and absolute science-fiction masterpieces in their own respects. I've honestly offered for anyone to validly argue against me in this, and so far, I have no takers. If I did, however, be prepared. Back to the math, sorry for the rant. Second, your comments on David 8 are pretty well said, I would like to point out something that you made obvious too, for a second time. Peter Weyland is not stupid, he's colonized how many planets and he has how much money. I am almost positive he knew about the planet before they reached it. Just as he lied about being alive during the film, well why would he tell anyone any of his REAL true agendas. Entitled with that is David 8 himself. What does David 8 say to the Engineer when he is awoken? Who knows. Maybe David knew already about things. He seems to know a lot more than the audience is led to believe though, considering his actions with the dark matter, the placement of it to Holloway, and his complete understanding of the Engineers' piloting system... it's not hard to believe those things are true. Now, If that is the case, then I'd say it's reasonable to assume that somebody, somewhere, high up, wearing a suit, in a nice white office, knew about the crew and events would happen on LV-426 (Alien) even though it was completely uncharted and unknown. But this is really all fairly unimportant to the real true question, the one that EVERYONE, and I really mean everyone, has been asking about Prometheus, which I am going to blow your minds' with if you're really interested. Want to know what it is? Well, you answered it without even realizing it. Your last sentence was this: "[i]- All hell broke lose, all test subjects where destroyed besides Shaw, but with having Weyland put to death by his own impatience and greediness, the mission had failed.[/i]" And that's the answer. Believe it or not, I really think from everything I've seen (and because of how obsessed and in love with this film that I am) that Prometheus really has nothing to do with being a prequel to Alien. In an interview, Ridley Scott words it perfectly: when asked this question, "What would a prequel to Alien be, and why is this not it?" Ridley answers: "It started off as a, unanswered question. The very first Alien I did, knowing I watched with a kind of bemusement that, no one picked up as a whole plotline, that the unanswered question was, "whose the big guy in the seat for god's sake", and no one answered it...." He later is asked what he'd want audiences to know about Prometheus. His answer is "Nothing and everything". This is perfect. Let me explain. He goes on to tell how Prometheus is a challenging idea, there are different levels of information, and has a strong narrative. I personally don't think the problem critics and people have with the film is that everyone wants an answer. But Ridley wants to leave the audience with the feeling of wanting to see a sequel. And really, that's what it's all about. Going back, and to finalize, you said how all hell breaks loose and everything falls apart. The mission is failed, the creatures are open and loose and nothing has gone right. THIS is the beauty of Prometheus. Does nobody see that? The beauty and sheer magnificence of this storyline, is that everything [i]IS/WAS[/i] a mistake! The Engineers didn't mean for a Xenomorph to be born! The Engineers didn't mean for the human race to be born! This is why the whole entire opening scene is so dramatic. We don't have the answers of why the Engineer at the start is there or what he did to receive punishment. But who cares! This storyline is about the events following that. And there is more beauty within the mystery, too. I think it's awesome to speculate where the Engineers came from and why they do and are what they do, what they are. What were they running from in the hologram? Why would they build SO MUCH of the dark matter weapon when clearly only a small amount of it could have wiped out Earth as planned? Maybe they had a second reason for all that weaponry of mass destruction? These are questions that I absolutely love to think about. The problem with movie critics is that they hear these questions and say, 'well, this is a stupid movie if there is nothing to answer the where and the why'. I find it hilarious how angry many, many thousands of people are from Prometheus, because they don't have an answer. And what's more funny, is the most asked plot-line questions are actually the ones that can be answered, but they don't care or enjoy the Alien series really enough to go through it and find the answers as I have done. In any case, the chaos and 'falling apart' feeling that Prometheus has is truly the beginning of an awesome and terrible universe with Xenomorphs and war and, well, chaos. This theme is finally being commenced with Prometheus. David 8 states the theme in one sentence, one that has such magnitude for anyone who knows and loves these movies as much as I do - he says "Small things have big beginnings." I'm done for now.

[u]Chase[/u]: Great post. On a funny and friendly note I had to laugh when at the close of your epic post you unintentionally reversed the wording in your quote of David's words: "he says "Small things have big beginnings." [u]Deftones[/u]: Your more expansive posts are rock solid. To me it doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong about your theory that the crews in "Alien", "Aliens" and "Prometheus" all actually land on LV-223. I simply like the fact that you take an idea that is actually reasonable to examine and theorize about and do so in a grounded manner that relates to the actual content of those 3 films.

@deftones1986........ I think your theory is interesting and I agree with the part of Weyland knowing more than we think. Maybe David too. However, I disagree about the not landing on LV-223. @RobJM put it perfectly IMHO....... [quote]From what I took out of the movie,the cave drawing 'invitations' show a group of planets/constellation? whatever , it seemed very vague to pinpoint one planet/moon, who says the Prometheus actually landed where we were 'invited' too , it might have actually been another nearby planet?/quote]

ChaseNine: That was an excellent post. You've summed up so well what some of us truly enjoy and love about "Prometheus" and "Alien", and what SO many people seem to hate about them... the ambiguity. The late Stanley Kubrick, who is arguably one of the greatest film makers, if not THE greatest, in the history of cinema... was IMHO the absolute BEST when it cam to the use of "planned ambiguity". In almost every one of his films you can see where he challenged audiences to "think", "interpret", "speculate", and "contemplate". That was the beauty and genius of his movies. Look at "2001", the ultimate example of ambiguity. That movie has had people talking for over 30 years. How about the end of "The Shining", with the picture on the wall of the hotel suddenly showing Jack... in 1921. Or "Eyes Wide Shut", his final film, which had the world arguing and debating about, even well after his death. I could go on about Kubrick's films, but my point is that, when used well... ambiguity can be a wonderful thing. Kubrick was a master at it, and Ridley Scott is a huge Kubrick admirer. So it doesn't surprise me at all that Ridley is doing his best to enrich these stories with a good dose of ambiguity and mystery. If I were making these films, I'd try to do the exact same thing, in the hopes of creating lasting, masterpieces... that would still be talked about 20 years+, after they were released. Anyhow, great posts guys. I'm so glad to see like minded fans of the films. Peace

"...Calpamos has three moons, one is 223 (the planet in Prometheus), the second is Acheron, or 'LV-426' (the planet from Alien) and a third one,..." THis unnamed third moon seems to be a player in the storyline..and would be close enough for David and Shaw to visit,,without using an alien cryo system.. Yes I can see it now,,The next episode dealing with adventures on this '3rd moon'..and the last chapter (leading up to the 'Alien' stoyline) the Engineers' home planet and events just prior to the Nostradamus visit.

@Inquisitor Tremayne: [i]"I can explain scrappy characters - scrappy production, writing, and directing. End of line..."[/i] Thanks for that wonderful piece of insight. Are you by any chance the kind of person who moves your lips when you see someone else reading?

"... Gathered a group of idiotic crew member to just simply be test subjects while he lay in his half cryo / half awaken state briefing with David 8..." Since the team seems a rag tag group..unknown to each other..,,,who is to say there were not not more test subjects(crew members) at the start of the Journey?,, As they were 'tested' and eliminated..David got rid of all ;failed 'test subjects..and evidence keeping Weyland appraised throughout the flight. PHASE Two was the using the remaining crew(test subjects)' on the moon and eliminating all but one ..identifying the 'greatest will to live' human .. and then Shaw and (no surprise here) David heading off to the next adventure..

Thanks deftones86. I couldn't agree more. Also, about this: [i]"It just seems like all the negative critics, and moviegoers, get so mad, and don't want a movie to provoke any questions, and they just want to tell their friends or the audience that the movie was either "good" or "bad" and then move on to the next movie to watch."[/i] This ^ is the reason why Hollywood and movie-making has gone to shit these last 5 (plus?) years. What happened to the days when Jurassic Park infused almost every person that saw it with a spark of excitement? Or when Armageddon was still popular and known for being a great movie? Does everyone know that Michael Bay made that? Does anyone know about a movie he made just before the first Transformers called The Island? These are just a couple of some higher budget, well known movies that had great plots, great acting, absolute innovation. I am not saying movie directors and producers/writers are the problem - but the economics of this all. What I'm saying is movies have died out because of the populace. People demand bullshit, and like you said perfectly, they don't want to provoke thought. This is why the band Tool amazes me so much - a motto of theirs is "think for yourself". People don't do this anymore. A grand example is videogaming. Call of Duty and games like it are now to the point where they pump out a new game each year, and it's the same old stupid bullshit (not a fun game, is my point) that it was the year before. iPhone does the same thing. They have had the same product for years, same software, nothing is different. It really is a great phone, it is, and I am not saying it's horrible - but to the general population, it's 'the best', when clearly if people thought for themselves they might find they love an Android or a WIndows smartphone much better. But how will they ever know? Prometheus is a shining star and an innovative and creative take on a classic, years-old genre that really hasn't seen too many gems in the spotlight recently. This is why I praise it, and it's not the only reason I praise it. @synthetic Thanks for reading my post. Also, I didn't even notice I did that... in any case, I love the line :) reversed is kinda cool in a different way, ha ha ha...... @cmutt Awesome comments. I agree so much. Some great examples as well are Fight Club, which a lot of people love... Vanilla Sky, which to my surprise had a lot of bad reviews/criticism and negative reception when it came out... but that movie really is innovative. And then you have shows like A Scanner Darkly, Gattaca, Watchmen, Dark City, 12 Monkeys, 2001, Blade Runner... all of those are scifi. All of those ask questions and leave some unanswered. All masterpieces. The most recent film I saw that completely blew me away and is one of my newest favorites, is called Moon, starring Sam Rockwell. I HIGHLY recommend this movie. It's funny how filmography and general storytelling is being 'dumbed down' for the general public, and really it's the general public demanding answers for puzzles (stories) instead of trying to find the answers on their own, which for anyone who ever went to high school and passed a class, knows that is the greatest way to learn/love something new. Also the greatest way to find an answer. Prometheus!