Hammerpede + Deacon = Xenomorph

fu3lman

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I had articulated a very, very long and well thought-out thread to try and kick this discussion into gear, and for whatever reason the page decided to log me out without notice and I lost every bit of it upon hitting 'start discussion', so I'll give you the short version and hope you can fill in the gaps. Short Version: When I see a traditional xenomorph, it's pupae, or it's egg, I see a combination of deacon and hammerpede. - Hammerpede had acid for blood. Deacon had 'reddish' mouthparts, insinuating human-like blood, and not Mountain Dew. - Traditional facehugger is practically half hammerpede, half cuddles. I'll gladly go into more detail if asked. - Traditional xenomorph having 'segmented' physiology, particularly the tail (something the deacon doesn't have at all), and the 'veins' lining its body. - The egg-based lifecycle (as demonstrated in Alien) is a pretty 'wormy' sort of thing. - The physiology of the egg. Those 'lips' that open up. They're right there on cuddles when she's getting ready to hump grumpys word-hole. There's a lot more but I'm too tired to remember them. I'm pretty sure there's enough here to at least get a good conversation started...or at least get 953 responses telling me I'm not the first one to notice this, or that I should use the search feature, or that this movie sucks for whatever reason and I'm reading into it far too much.

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July 08, 2012

To be clear, I am in no way dismissing or trying to belittle anyone elses opinions here, as it's readily apparent that many have done much more homework than I in regards to the subject. That being said, the biggest wink-and-nudge for me is the ambiguous circumstances given to the only two (known) lifeforms left on LV-226, or at least as far as we're led to believe. At some point, they -must- encounter each other, and given the events precipitating in their existence and circumstance, there's NO reason to believe that one of them will try to make sweet love to the other. One was the result of goo, and likes snuggling up in warm bodies. The other is the offspring of another creature born from 'gooey' circumstances (eww) that also loved snuggling up in some warm body. When the two find each other, they're probably gonna have the biggest snuggle-fest this side of a fabric-softener commercial.

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July 07, 2012

Without the capacity of Deacon's reproductive abilities known, how would you suggest this happens? Hammerpedes grow like earthworms, and Lindelof has pretty much stated the Deacon will become an egg layer, although judging from his body of work almost anything he says could be a bold faced lie. How would these two creatures mix? The only possibility I see is if the adult deacon can lay eggs or just make facehuggers (the huggers are present on the "queen deacon" mural, so it seems implied, but then again I'm expecting Prometheus to make sense) and one of them impregnates a Hammerpede. I don't think a "Hammerpede-Deacon" is quite the recipe needed for a Xenomorph. :/

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July 07, 2012

That's the thing; just too many unknowns. Am basing a lot of my suppositions on the apparent trajectory indirectly implied by the movies ambiguity. I have no clue how the deacon would reproduce on its own, however, the precedent established in the movie (and in all hominid life) is that one participant penetrates the other with something and 'seeds' it. Worked for Shaw. Worked for grumpy. Worked for Xenos. I could be dead wrong, but an alternative hasn't been established, as the goo in and of itself doesn't seem to generate life, unless you count the unexplained amoebae-like behavior of the fluid when they first enter the room with the vases. Thus far, we've seen the Pede' kill the host it occupies, but that doesn't rule out that the corpse was indeed (still) hosting an embryo, or that the worm that jumped out of his mouth wasn't a completely separate entity, the 'father' having vacated after the fact. "I don't think a "Hammerpede-Deacon" is quite the recipe needed for a Xenomorph. " A human sperm was infected with black goo and somehow 'zombified' a womans dead reproductive parts long enough to produce a squid-monster complete with eyes, teeth, and rapey parts. How far fetched does my idea sound? :D

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July 08, 2012

"Without the capacity of Deacon's reproductive abilities known, how would you suggest this happens? Hammerpedes grow like earthworms, and Lindelof has pretty much stated the Deacon will become an egg layer," Good points. It might not be the deacons reproductive characteristics that matter here...but the worms. As far as I can tell, worms are, for the most part, egg-layers, and if the deacon is indeed impregnated by the hammerpede, this may very well be where the egg-laying lineage starts. It's important to note that one substantial 'unknown' in all of this is whether or not the hammerpede can reproduce parasitically, and it's never clearly dismissed or established, just sort of 'teased'.

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July 08, 2012

where/when did lindelof suggest that the deacon would become an egg layer? link possibly? im really interested in trying to nail down the bio-chronology of the xenomorph. Based on the evidence presented in the films thus far, i feel strongly that the traditional xenomorph pre-dates the events of prometheus (possibly excluding the events of the opening scene etc.) and the existence of the deacon (i view the deacon as a sort of genetic bastard cousin to the traditional xeno). Although i feel like the evidence is supportive of what ive sketched out in my head, there are so many unanswered questions we cant really be certain. If you happen to have a link (@Mcprevious) that would be great. im certainly not trying to belittle your notions btw. Just curious.

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July 09, 2012

Just noticed something interesting that could stand to support my theory here. THIS Image of the crashed Engineer ship. [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/472[/img] With the following text (translated from French): "I am so regale on prometheus, return to the world of science fiction was so pleasant, I started thinking about what I could do well on Prometheus 2" And on the opposite page is this little guy, curiously motioning himself toward it to whatever end: [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/473[/img]