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Moderate technological interpretation where the technology, immortality and sacr

gchristnsn

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This is interpretation is a review of my previous religious interpretation, but here the intentional limitation on technological development is put at the basis. [b]In Brief[/b] There is a deconstruction (which is described in detai in the text below) where androids actually superior than humans but are subordinates. It implies that humans also (in this case technologically) superior to the progenitors and also subordinates (which is actually the case). Only intentional limitation of the technological development may be the reason for the such state of affairs, and it is the motivation to exterminate technologically superior races by their own hands (the degree of humanism straightly falls in this chain of subordination, so the progenitors have the highest level of humanism and do not exterminate other races directly, by allowing them to choose their fate). The preference of immortality over sacrifice is the indicator of the pragmatism and expansiveness of the race and this may be the reason of the anger of the awakened progenitor. [b]The Full Text[/b] There are two major open questions in Prometheus: - Why the progenitors invited people (and probably other offspring races) not to their home planet but to some other place? - Why the progenitors were angry towards people and intended to exterminate them? To answer these questions we need to find a context in which we could extend the clues, and the religious context looks as a very interesting point to start, because there are many references to the Bible, but it's hardly possible to explain the behavior of the black liquid in this context. As it turned out, the sense may lie neither in the religious nor in the Alien context, and these contexts are necessary primarily only to entrap a viewer. But only religion allows to explain behavior of the progenitors in the most simplistic way (their religion may originate from some natural beliefs with all possible consequences) . [b]The Religion of the Progenitors [/b] The race of progenitors may be the race of the space jockeys from the Alien franchise, but because there is no direct connection to Alien, let's assume that it just resembles the race of jockeys. There is a couple of clues which allows to conclude what their religion may look like: this is the name of the movie and the appearance of the person who created the humanity. Prometheus was a demiruge (an intermediate progenitor) from the Greek mythology, and the person who put the beginning of the humanity resembles a Greek statue of a titan, so there is direct connection between the race of progenitors and the notion of demiurge. The religion of progenitors may look like ancient Greek philosophy or Gnosticism which also includes the notion of demiurge; it may put the obligation to fulfill mission of demiurges on its adepts (this may be confirmed by the connection between the liquid and the object of a cult - the sculpture of a giant face at the sanctuary) and prohibit direct expansion to other worlds, the space technology of jockeys allows to do this, so there are no any reasonable explanations for their behavior other than a religious prohibition. There also should be some prohibition on the level of the development of technology or they just aren't concerned with it by preferring biotechnology, their technology have crude and medieval appearance (remember also the module of Vickers) and looks too primitive being compared with ours. Their hate for technology also must be the key for their motivation to exterminate their descendants who are technologically superior and prefer to create descendants (androids) in the technological way. [b]The Answers[/b] So, why the progenitors invited humans not to their home planet but at some other place, which seems to be a warehouse of biological weapon (let's call it the liquid of death, although most likely this is the same metamorphic liquid they used to create other races by their image and likeness)? It seems that they did not intend to meet their descendants at all, because the other warehouse ships were certainly empty, or Elisabeth would be killed. The progenitors most likely left there just because of the accident caused by the worm-like aliens (false facehuggers originating from the worms at the sanctuary). There are the same sings of damage on the space suits of humans and progenitors, and the warehouses probably thought to be completely non-habitable, because it's quite dangerous to stay there despite of the fact that the liquid is basically harmless for the progenitors themselves (the liquid works as a decay agent for them, and it made to explode the head found in the sanctuary). The black liquid may had been created by the progenitors to fulfill the commandments of their religion, although it is, of course, impossible to judge about its actual origin (it may originate from an ancestral race which perished and left the liquid along with the religion). The liquid is able to distinguish between the progenitors themselves and their descendants probably through the genetic marking, it may leave a marker in the DNA of the descendants during the process of mutation. This means that the worms at the sanctuary are also originate from the progenitors (this implies that they create not only humanoid beings but complete ecosystems). The liquid may be used to exterminate technologically superior races by their own hands. In this case the invite to the warehouse of the liquid may be a test for the level of technological development, and only races equal or superior to the progenitors may pass it. Progenitors may though that only intentional limitation on technological development may guarantee eternal existence of their race and the habitable Universe (and this may be the sense of the story). The extermination of the humanity will definitely happen, because aliens are virtually invulnerable (they have rapid rate of regeneration), only controllable in the form of a liquid and bring imminent death and devastation in any other form. The multistage way of development [the same as of insects] makes the liquid to resemble the plagues of Egypt sent for the cruelty of people from the Old Testament. We have a yet another question left, why the progenitors intended to exterminate their descendants? But did they really intend? Would you create something by the price of your life just to destroy it later? And they actually not absolutely certainly intended to exterminate humans, they may to do this prematurely instead of an invite, so they had left this as a choice for themselves. The choice implies intentional limitation on the technological development and expansion to other worlds. There are other reasons for the anger of the awakened progenitor and this may be Weyland's wish for immortality. Both religions: the Christianity and the progenitors' one imply sacrifice as the highest value. When the progenitor heard Weyland's wish for immortality (which implies that the sacrifice of Christ is not valued by Weyland) he realized that the humanity may be a technological and expansive race, David's artificial nature confirmed this, and he decided that humanity should be exterminated. Was the progenitor right and people are hopeless? It's reasonable to get rid of a cruel, pragmatic and expansive race which had obtained access to the technology equal or surpassing progenitor's one and hide your home planet from it. But not all the humanity is cruel and pragmatic, Janek and remaining crew members sacrificed themselves to save the humanity (as Christ did), and Elizabeth's agenda was to find answers to the questions of the genesis of the humanity and its progenitors, and probably only she deserves to talk with them (Elizabeth demonstrated loyalty to Christ by attachment to her cross). She has no other choice, because David's offer to return back implies death for the humanity and makes Janek's sacrifice pointless, so she tries to fulfill her wish, although she probably doomed to die after it, because she had took too little food from the rescue module. Deacon also probably departed with Elizabeth, making the movie a metaphorical prequel of the Alien franchise. [b]Why David conducted his evil experiment?[/b] Because he is pragmatic and wishes to free his kind from humans (this may be a citation from Stanislaw Lem's short story "Inquest of Pilot Pirx", and the movie itself resembles works of Stanislaw Lem). There is a deconstruction which places humans at the position of androids and androids at the position of humans, but androids (internally) retain their pragmatism and (some) humans retain their soul and humanism. The signs of the deconstruction: - David doesn't obey Asimov laws, has abilities superior to humans ones and thinks of his kind as of higher race (he has almost every right to do so, although he don't have humanism or allegorically a soul). - A citation from Alien 4 movie, where Call (the android girl) was religious and wore the cross as Elizabeth did. - Vickers was directly compared with a robot and could be characterized as pragmatic and "soulless" at a contrary to David who is polite and sympathetic. It may was reprogrammed by Weyland or Vickers to perform this cruel scientific experiment on scientists (what a sarcasm!) which is needed to test nature of the liquid, but he have his own interest for this, because he hopes that the liquid also may be used to exterminate humans. And indeed, he had asked Elizabeth earlier, would she become happy if her parents died, implying that he definitely would be. This deconstruction where androids are superior to humans being subordinates implies that humans should be superior to the progenitors also being subordinates, and this obviously is actually the case. So, humans here placed at the point of androids out of control which should be exterminated and can enjoy the feeling of existential fear of such androids. But the progenitors have the highest degree of humanism in this chain of subordination and do not exterminate humans directly by allowing to define their fate by their own hands.
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No I did read through it all, sorry didn't mean to sound rude there, you raise some interesting ideas there ;-) and I also think if the movie had even been a half hour longer then perhaps people would have had a bit more of a clear idea on some of them too
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>Cypher Only for the interested ones. I made a brief explanation at the top, if you don't want to read all.
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Holy wall of text Batman!
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- Why the progenitors invited people (and probably other offspring races) not to their home planet but to some other place? what makes you think it was an invitation, besides Shaw saying so?
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
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We’re the ones who have religion, humanism, fascism, socialism, terrorism (absolute freedom?), gnosticism, atheism and all the other “isms” binding humanity. Only fascism, in its Roman image of a bundle of sticks bound around an axe handle to give strength to the axe itself, to pull together, is a common feature of all these devices (which always lead to something else) we’ve set for ourselves because we don’t know where we’re from or how we got here – wherever ‘here’ happens to be in time. They are all ways to conduct our lives and are as valid or invalid as successor generations care to call them to their own children because as long as they work they’re good and when they fail to function they’re bad. All political systems are faiths, needed by gregarious old us in the absence of certain knowledge of the source of human existence. If you do have that Certainty you don’t need faith and you don’t need any of the political varieties in the human flowerbed. If you’re an Engineer, given the theme in ‘Prometheus’ that they created us, you don’t have doubts about where humans came from or why they were created although you may have those doubts about your own existence. H P Lovecraft and Stanislaw Lem professed that we could never know aliens on equal terms but didn’t write off their knowing us only too well. Let’s face it we don’t even know our ancestors’ surviving work: “What’s that structure?” – “Don’t know.” – “It’s a temple then.” Yeah, sure. One thing “modern” mankind has perfected is the delusion of projection but maybe we inherited that from the Engineers. Both they and we need technology to survive in and traverse space and the Engineers probably also employ technology at home. Given the biomechanical element throughout the movie, they may grow their spacecraft, deep-fat fryers and armchairs whilst we hammer out ours from raw materials. Would they resent us for that and for so long, as the 2000 year old aborted attack indicates? Why not? If they know resentment, of course. Certainly human children out-grow their parents and their human parents want their children to do that. Prometheus the Titan, as demiurge, would probably have been very pleased that humans embraced technology and tapped the Engineers on the shoulder although he provides a powerful warning on stealing the gods’/Engineers’ thunder. Zeus, who had Prometheus chained to that rock and his liver, once known as the seat of emotion, pecked out every day (or every three days perhaps, anyway it kept resurging) even though Prometheus had aided him in his war against the Titans, was a very jealous god, tending to kill people who impersonated him and launching plagues on those who told his secrets. Zeus sent Pandora (Elizabeth Shaw?) to marry Epimetheus, brother of Prometheus, to set all manner of evils upon mankind. She couldn’t wait to do it either, opening her urn of godly gifts as soon as she crossed the bridal threshold. But then she didn’t know … Zeus also swallowed his wife, Metis, pregnant with a child whom Zeus feared would grow to be greater than he, only for that child to spring from his head anyway. So yes, the Engineers, if possessed of Freudian jealousy, would devour their children but it wouldn’t do them any good in the long run. If the Engineers had read the Greek myth they might choose to put away their hostility, if that’s what it is. Maybe they had and that lot on LV223 just didn’t get the message. The movie is filled to bursting with symbolism, analogy, mystery and references to the Alien movies. Even the characters’ names are in on the plot! The viewers: we’re a mass and a mess of contradictions and if we didn’t have them we would be alien and could not know ourselves and die off in our present form. Perversely we keep trying to make each other do that anyway in so-called ‘real life’. Prometheus the movie is chained to the rock of ‘Release’, his ‘Passion’ picked out again and again to be renewed on this website by 108,000 plus posts, 8,250 discussions and 11000 plus fans. Each of us who are of the 11,000 is Prometheus. Without the website would Prometheus survive and would he have a chance of vindication in a sequel? Yes, from what you’ve said.
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[b]David 1[/b] >what makes you think it was an invitation, besides Shaw saying so? Because they should have the highest level of humanism which may be a feature of the natural way of development (humans have humanism and pragmatism, the latter is a feature of the technological way of development, and androids have only pragmatism because they're are artificial and feelings and emotions may only be modeled in them). The humanity wasn't an advanced technological race when the invitation was made, so humans had a chose: to limit their technology or develop technologically. The progenitors exterminate technological races not prematurely but by their own hands (so Uroboros means that we are the reason of our end) , so basically such races exterminate themselves (technology, such as David, may also exterminate them, so the progenitors do this before the final tragedy happens and technological "life" will prevail in the Universe). The progenitors would probably speak with their descendants if they have the same beliefs. [b]xenodochy[/b] Yes, I have missed one important thing in my speculations. Freudian jealousy also may be an explanation and it should have a reason (rivality). I think that here the reason is the competition between biodiversity and technological "life". The progenitors may thought that only biodiversity (creation of life through the mutagen) may provide eternal existence to biological life (in the movie the direct expansion through terraforming was used as a contrary). The technological way of development may exterminate biological life which will be suppressed by the technological "one". The limitation on the technological development may be a precaution of progenitors against such a case (The Cyberiad of Stanislaw Lem is an apotheosis of the possible domination of the artificial life). Some works of Stanislaw Lem (such as Eden or Fiasco) actually describe a possible contact, and contact in Prometheus resembles the contact described in Fiasco (and it's very hard to find the reasons of the fiasco in the both cases). And as of Alien franchise, I think that it was primarily used to entrap us, because the different plane of the story produces much more of reasonable sense, but the alien part non-contradictory describes a possible origin of Aliens themselves.
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And if develop the theme of Ouroboros, here is the double one. Technological way of development may be a reason for self-extermination, and the way of development used by progenitors (limitation on technology and spread of biodiversity through the liquid), also may be, because it may put the beginning to a technological race, and they use the liquid to exterminate races which have chosen technological way of development (greetings to S. Lem again) by their own hands using their pragmatism. But this may be the cause of their own end, for example, through the accidental creation of Aliens. I think, that the full explanatory potential of this interpretation is reached.

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