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MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 11:07 AMAs you already heard that Ridley Scott is directing Paradise, but as Damon Lindelof is writing The Amazing Spider-Man seqeul. Now the qeustion should arise to those is or should Ronald Shusett become the main writer for paradise, since we all know he and Dan O'bannon are the original writers and creators of Alien, and can Sir Scott bring him back on the original team alongside David Giler, Walter Hill, and H.R Giger. And could Ronald Shusett do a better job than Mr. Lindelof, what do you think, would in your opinion that Mr. Shusett be back in writing for Sir. Scott or will it be a bad idea?
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 11:20 AMThat would be [i]Ronald[/i] Shusett. He hasn't written much of note for a long time apart from Total Recall, so it's hard to say.
They should give me the job. I'd have people crying in their beer, totally mystified by ultra-weird stuff that only alien minds would understand, begging for Lindelof to come back.
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Solaris
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 12:23 PMThe answer to your question is no. Shusett latest work is Total Recall (Collin Ferrel) which is thread bare as far as plot & depth are concerned. One reviewer says the movie is chock-ful of action and cool futuristic tech but it has no soul.

allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 12:42 PMShusett?!...
I don't know, but I'm not sure that Shusett contributed [i]so[/i] very much that he could be considered some kind of Single-handed Saviour?...
I think the, "original team", although, (perhaps arguably, for some), gifted in their own right, might turn out to be not nearly half so gifted, as once they were - without the late Dan O'Bannon.

draekus
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 1:48 PMWait...I know Damon Lindelof isn't writing P2, but has it been confirmed that he's writing Amazing Spidey 2???
Anyhow, I think the loss of Lindelof on this one is a bad thing. I like his form of writing. While Prometheus may have been a slightly flawed film, I honestly don't believe those flaws are his.
I trust Ridley will pick a good writer/story for P2. And Ridley has long been my favorite director, but I get the feeling Prometheus' flaws are on him. Not Lindelof.

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 4:34 PMDraekus and aurorian: I'm with you. I thought Prometheus had a sort of cockiness and sense of humor about itself that really energized the film, and a trippiness as well that I think came in part from DL. This was his best writing yet, he's maturing and I'd love to see him contribute to the sequel!

David 1
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 4:43 PMI want Chris Carter to write it.
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Synthrimonger94
MemberOvomorphAug-02-2012 11:30 PMHe is basically one of the creators olf the Alien franchise along with O'bannon,Scott and Giger! He might not want to do it due to his age but YES I'd love to see Paradise made by all three!! O'Bannon RIP my friend!

BloodBrother
MemberOvomorphAug-03-2012 2:20 AM@draekus
@aurorian
I too felt the movie was fine as is, and I for one liked the ambiguity and felt Lindelof did a good job.
@david 1
That would be absolutely cool. He could write an awesome Paradise anddddd afterwards get enough interest in him to do another x files movie!

oduodu
MemberXenomorphAug-04-2012 4:31 PMAs long as RS directs the scriptwriter will have access to the answers to the mysteries. As for your OP I apologise as I am no authority on Shuset. The thing I don't understand is this: did RS and co who made Alien not have predefined ideas and answers as to where the SJ came from or why it landed/crashed on lv 426 or what made the eggs ? Surely then P3 (alien prequel) should benefit from Shusett's input if not Paradise.

trevanian
MemberOvomorphAug-08-2012 10:48 PModuodu,
Something that may shed some light on your questions that you can buy online is the Cinefantastique magazine issue on ALIEN, which includes interviews with nearly all of the key players.
From what I remember, there was debate about whether the field of eggs was even INSIDE the ship, or just on the planet below the ship (given the wide view when Hurt descends, it certainly LOOKS like a bigger space than would be inside part of the Juggernaut, and I always assumed this when I saw the movie first-run.) This all dates from O'Bbannon/Shussett when they included an Alien pyramid on the planet.
The articles are very good about showing how the original script was pretty mediocre execution of a clever reworking of an old idea (IT THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE on film and VOYAGE OF THE SPACE BEAGLE in print -- the author of the latter wound up getting some good money out of Fox and/or the ALIEN production for ripping him off), and it was Hill and Giler who really made the script work and gave it its tone. Ultimately, O'Bannon was utilized by Scott again closer to shooting, so that probably changed some of the focus back (in the wrong direction IMO) and made the thing even more confusing to somebody trying to make sense of the movie's geography and get some 'real' history out of what was going on with the ship & the planet & the xenomorphs.
Shusett didn't really have anything to do with the NEW version of TOTAL RECALL except collecting a check, though he spent most of the 80s trying to get it made (with Cronenberg and Richard Dreyfuss, with Bruce Beresford and Patrick Swayze, with Christopher Reeve and who knows how many others) and it paid off in large part when Arnold got interested. The Swayze version had gotten so far along that vehicles and miniatures had all been built in Australia (a SF modeling mag from the 90s had an impressive photo spread of the lost stuff, but I'm not sure of the periodical's issue or name - could have been SF Modeller or SciFi&Fantasy Modeller.)
If I wanted a writer with genre credits for the sequel to PROMETHEUS, I'd probably go with David Goyer. Not just for DARK CITY and these Nolan BatFlicks, but he is doing the GODZILLA restart too, and because he wanted to remake 5MILLION YEARS TO EARTH aka QUATERMASS & THE PIT, but instead, since Disney was already ripping off that notion abysmally in MISSION TO MARS, he wound up getting some coproducer credit on that red dud. I don't think anybody could have helped that movie, but he clearly has an affinity for this kind of material. Track record (including three BLADEflicks) runs hot & cold, but almost everybody's does.
I seriously disliked the way PROMETHEUS was executed in many ways, so I'd be all for getting as much new blood into a sequel as possible. Given that I was really UP for this in a way I hadn't been in many years (as in, not since the 20th century), it would take a LOT to get me worked up to see a sequel.

Custodian
MemberOvomorphAug-09-2012 2:24 AM@trevanian,
yeah, maybe LV-426 is a SUBTERRANEAN EGG PLANET that some oliphant juggernaut landed on, millennia ago.
LV-426 survives the way a spider survives; making its trap and waiting.
Maybe there's NO DIRECT CONNECTION between juggernaut/spacejockey/ and any subsequent alien/facehugger etc. from below.
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oduodu
MemberXenomorphAug-09-2012 3:11 AMTrevanian
Thanks really insightful post. It explains a lot.
Let me get this right.
Alien which is along with bladerunner and 2001 is regarded as the greatest sci fi film of all time was an idea stolen from someone else, had parts in it originally intended for other films and then not used in those films but just because we didn't previously used it seemed like a good idea to use it somewhere else. So let's try this and see if it works. They say the absolute master photograph is an accident and cannot be planned. Maybe its the same with movies. Look I like alien . I am not knocking it. Then why do we dissect every part of the movie (Alien) trying to find answers when clearly they never existed? At least in prometheus we know they do exist as that is what Lindelof says. If their was such an outcry for answers after alien why didn't fox make a movie to answer those questions ? Money money money money .....that is the root of all evil. The demand is huge but zero supply = speculation+arguments+viewing the film again and again+buy merchendise + this goes on for many years+dvd with more material or redited = sales = resulting in continued revenue. They stumbled on a formula that works over a long period of time. I thought over analysing all the material and trying to find answers to the mysteries in prometheus would help answering mysteries in alien. But clearly we are not gonna get more answers explaining alien mystery ship crash etc. So you must wait for the paradise. I will however continue to look for answers but dvd release will give answers I hope. But only after the dvd is released.
There were a few answers given with regards to alien: what sj is and what they lOok like what the telescope thing is how wt got to know about the xenos.
I like all the alien movies and prom but I am finally beginning to understand the movie industry: give the people what we want and not what they want, use whatever we can find from previous production to fill in the gaps so that we can save money and milk it as much as you can ? Was I wrong about RS motives. Is he the grteAt dir I thought he was ? Was alien an accidental masterpiece that in 5 movies resulting from it ? I hope I am wrong.
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