Ye of little faith...

I don't see any "plot holes" in Blade Runner either. But there are all kinds of things in Blade Runner that resemble things that haters of Prometheus consider "plot holes." The point of the thread I'm starting is to show these people that if these things in Prometheus are "plot holes" then Blade Runner has some as well. Alien even has some. There was a thread a while back where I brought a few up and we discussed them. I've been watching BR Final Cut and taking notes on the subject. When I finish I'll start the thread.

Engineering, I think you're going to receive a Right Royal Shock when you realise JUST HOW MUCH CONTROL young Lindelof was given during the production of Prometheus. It should really be called a Scott/Lindelof Production from what I hear of Lindelof's pro-active involvement with the project from start to finish; he came up with all the convolution that's pissing everyone off and even came up with the VIRALS (eye and birthday and ted). Lindelof even received an executive producer credit, such was his involvement throughout the film.

Please link or name sources where you hear about all this. I'll post some links that back up what I say. From Lindelof... [i]"There were drafts that were more explicitly spelled out. I think Ridley’s instinct kept being to pull back, and I would say, “Ridley, I’m still eating shit a year after Lost is over for all the things we didnt directly spell out, Are you sure you want to do this?” And he said, “I would rather have people fighting about it and not know then spell it out."[/i] [url=http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/02/when-bleeding-cool-met-damon-lindelof-prometheus-loose-ends-repeat-viewings-and-sequels/]LINK![/url]

Still can't find the specific one I'm looking for as it's quite old but here's one where Lindelof explains his exec producer credit and how it wasn't granted until AFTER the film was shot... [url=http://collider.com/damon-lindelof-prometheus-star-trek-2-sequel-interview/171934/]LINK![/url]

Here's a video interview where Lindelof says that... [i]"It's Ridley's movie...John certainly contributed lots of ideas most of which I built on and I came up with some stuff organically to the process but at the end of the day my job was sitting across the table from Ridley Scott asking him a series of questions like he was on 60 minutes and then based on his answers to those questions I then went and generated a screenplay...So I felt like I bullied Ridley into dictating the movie to me."[/i] [url=http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/02/when-bleeding-cool-met-damon-lindelof-prometheus-loose-ends-repeat-viewings-and-sequels/]LINK![/url] I'm looking for a specific interview from before the film came out where Lindelof says exactly what I and others have been saying and even takes credit if the film sucks. I'll find it and this will be over.

Perhaps you need to look at the parts some people call plot holes as just plain awful script writing or direction -either way it makes the film worse. Just want to pick you up on this: "He knows exactly what happened in Prometheus, what it means and where it's going." And just set it along side a quote from the back of the official prometheus art book by ridley AFTER the film is finished! : " I’m thinking about what the hell I might do for a ‘Prometheus 2’ ...”" I am hoping this was a clever ploy but really it feels like the truth sorry engi :P

"there's a chance that he, for some reason, decided to say "f**k it!" Actually Sir Ridley swears a lot. And I really mean A LOT. But yes, with great age comes greater neglect, and defo he is loosing many brain cells.

Only problem is allot of people say that there will be no directors cut! YIIKES!

Engineering Please elaborate more on ridley. What you said about his attention to detail is facinating and makes me respect him even more because this means hugely increased workload that may not necessarily mean more money at the box office. Some more would be nice. A character reference to ridley scott if you will. Would be nice. Because often those who do the best work and does proper quality control that comes from the heart and soul often gets critisized the most. That's just life I guess. Crabart I hear what you are saying but as I understood it there will be 15 minutes added to the original film. Are you saying that other people infers that the extra footage will not provide any extra answers ?! I don't know for certain and I share your frustration. Here to hoping they are wrong.

If you ask engineer he'll say hes an angel with no flaws can walk on water and means everything he does. :D Unfortunately the real world is not like this - I am a mega fan of him yet I can still see hes gone down hill recently - just look at the other films and peoples responses to them though prometheus was allot better than robinhood and kingdom of heaven so heres hoping....

I like the ideas they had and Lindelof vision is great, just the execution well its not so great. If the movie had the cut bits added then i think it would have been better. But there is the ability they are going for and thats to tease us and also allow more scope for a sequel and want us all wanting answers so fox will fund the sequels. so not a bad movie aside from some plot holes and parts where characters acted out of the character we had portrayed them as. Weyland and Vickers where never utilized enough... And the cheesy Vickers and Janek scene well that sucked.... Vickers should have said "maybe, and i am off to bed now and you will never find out" in reply to Janeks "are you a robot"

(Please please please This post is not a response to anything someone said on this thread or anywhere alse on this forum. It is commentary on the general movie paying public of which I am one.) People are messed up. Actually poeple are f....d up. The more you give them what they want, the more they want. They want it now and if they can't get it now they go somewhere else.(I am like that, yes I am an idiot! LOL) Eventually you run out of ideas to keep raising the bar to get bums on seats. Then what do you do? You have to revert to classical themes and proven ideas. And even then people are still fickle saying "been there done that" But if you tease them and keep them at a distance they remain interested and start to weave their own ideas. It was my impression that after alien a lot of people wanted fox to do a sequel that answered those mysteries. Not ridleys fault. Ridley said it wasn't a prequel and then said it was again. So what ? I still maintain if he did it any other way prometheus would not have paid for itself and everybody would have said : how boring ....oh that's what it was about ,,,what's for supper tonight ? Don't forget: prometheus is a R rated sci fi movie. It takes a genius to make 300 mil from such a movie in the current economic climate. In the post I pasted above one of the respondents said that ridley said that sci fi was as dead as the western. It has all been done in sci fi nothing left to explore. No ...people are impossable to please even at the best of times. Peope are .... Guessed I said it enough. Ridley is as much a business man as an artist. And the genius of RS is that he can juggle both at the same time. Very hard work indeed at 74. Engineer I'm with you: the answers will come. But crabfart I hear what you're saying. By way of closing it just accured to me that people desperate for money will almost do anything to get it. So what was the response of the prometheus crew to hearing why they were there ? That's right. If they were told that before the mission would they have gone along? I doubt it. The only way to get people to go was promising them a sh@tload of money and not telling them the details. Almost like someone leaving a war ravaged poor country being promised a job in a another country by unscrupulous cheap labour brokers.

Shaw probably did it for free but that's besides the point I can think of reasons for them going but it was what they did there that didn't makes sense lol!

Crabfart Point taken

I'm sorry, but as much as I like, nay, LOVE Ridley Scott's visual style, it will always echo in my mind how he had said he hated and didn't know that much about sci-fi, back when he was shooting Alien. Sure, he may have said it in case Alien blew up in his face or to coax Harry Dean Stanton into playing Brett, but I also remember all the bizarre ideas he had for Alien that were shot down by Brandywine (Ash should be a Martian, the alien should bite off Ripley's head and speak with her voice, etc.) I also recall him saying that the sci-fi movie is dead, gone the way of the western film. Thanks to the past glories of Alien and Blade Runner, he returns to sci-fi and makes Prometheus and praises the genre of sci-fi, producing and making appearances on the Prophets of Science Fiction series. That all being said, I don't know what the hell to make of him anymore and I'm questioning everything he's doing, including hiring Lindelof. I'm afraid we'll never know if he intended to make Prometheus confusing or if he's just covering Lindelof's ass.

@Crabfart........ Robinhood is really not that bad, its actually pretty good. For the most part people just didn't like it because it wasn't the Robinhood story they are used to. It is set before traditional story. Im not saying its amazing but its good. Probably about an 8 out of 10. Kingdom of Heaven is AMAZING, you heard me amazing. The theatrical release received a lot of criticism and for good reason. But that is not Ridley Scotts fault. It was because the studio cut almost an hour of footage. That is why many of the characters had poor development and their decisions didn't make sense. However, the directors cut fixed all of that by adding the removed footage. Hence why Kingdom of Heaven is an amazing movie. American Gangster is also a great movie, very underrated. A great character focused movie (Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe are great in it) that shows a different perspective on drug trafficking. Also it has some pretty intense scenes as well. Black Hawk Down...... One of the best war movies. nuff said. Body of lies is also very underrated. So anyways I really don't see how he is going down hill.

Robinhood was bad by anyone's standards and so was kingdom of heaven they only got an average of 40 percent ish from the reviews so I am not the only one saying this black hawk down was slightly better but only average but war films like that always get loadsa support after all the industry is almost entirely run on teenage boys :P . The DC of Kingdom was slightly better but still only like a 5 out of 10 at best-ish least prometheus is better but com-paired with alien / blade runner and gladiator they look awful plain and boring. My god you think black hawk compairs with apocalypse now - they are not even in the same galaxy! Body of lies was ok I watched it thinking it was by his brother and thought ok yer its his level then found out it was ridley and my heart sank. Its a common thing to happen its not just Ridley look at any of the best directors and pretty much 100 percent always go downhill with age weather is age or too many yes men or being too up ther own asses who knows it just happens but that doesnt mean I dont still hold out for the buck in the trend that may happen and yes promtheus bucked it a bit but no were near enough. Even Legend and matchstick men were in a different league to what hes done recently and I am a big fan so it take something for me to say it :( ....

The film is scheduled for release on Blu-ray disc and DVD on October 9, 2012.[206] In a June 2012, interview Scott stated that the home release would feature an extended cut of the film featuring an additional 20 minutes of footage and up to 30 minutes of deleted scenes. I quoted this from wikipedia. But apparently the extra 20 min of footage is not the truth.

Crabfart, how did you know just exactly how I feel about Ridley? You are so right about me. I mean, EVERY ONE of his films is a masterpiece! He can do no wrong. In fact, if he had directed, say, Tom Green in Freddy Got Fingered, it would have won an oscar for best pictrure. Best...Director...EVER. Now, lets step back into the real world where I hate Hannibal, GI Jane and White Squall...I don't like Thelma & Louise, Black Hawk Down, A Good Year, Matchstick Men Someone to Watch Over Me or Robin Hood...and I think Gladiator is just a tad overrated. Not saying any of the are "bad" per se. A few are. But most of them are just not my cup o' tea.