Engineers seek their god

@necronom 4 Read the plot I am talking about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture#Plot]here[/url], you will find it interesting if you haven't watched the movie. :) Star Trek 1979 is not about time travel, but about an advanced computerized alien world which captured Voyager 6 and came to Earth to meet their maker!

Thanx. Yeah, i think i've seen that. They touch down on a distant planet and meet, what they think is God? Is that the same one? I'm not really into Star Trek but that one was quite good. The Wrath of Khan was quite good also. I was thinking of the one where they Time Travel back to 80s Earth.

Here is another idea, what if the engineers hadn't actually created the goo and they were just experimenting with it just like David did. What if the last engineer deliberately infected the crew with the goo just to see what might happen, just like David experimented with it on Prometheus crew? I think that David and the last engineer share many similarities, regarding that they speak the same language and that David could read the alien writings the walls. Also if they actually discovered the goo in another planet, far away from their home and are searching for the creator of it whom they might think is their creator, then the first scene might be an experiment on LV-223 to find out if a goo+engineer=disintegration of DNA can seed a planet with life. Supposing this is true, the phrase "sometimes in order to create, one must first destroy" might fit it the first scene, the destruction of the body of one of them, willingly sacrificed, to bring life to a desolated planet. Regarding the idea of time travel again, if the engineers came from the "future" and somehow David played a significant role in their culture, then the writings on the walls of the alien ship might explain the David-engineer connection, being left there for the David of the past to read. These writings might inform David about the outcome of his actions and the sequence of events that will follow. If David arrives to their home planet is it possible that he might lie about the origin of the goo and tell them that he created it?

The engineers are created by the elders/unknown higher god/unknown even higher god, to do their bidding. They are like what David is to us, and are each programmed through their DNA for specific tasks. They probably do not have souls.

I have always been of the opinion that the higher gods. Those that are on a higher scale then the elders or the engineers are the elephantine space jockey race. The one alien being we saw depicted in Alien. He or she to me is what it is. It is an elephantine race type being who was on a mission to infect and in the process wipe out the human race. There reason for doing so is that they saw into the future and decided that man was and would become the most dangerous life form in the cosmos.     In the Hindi religion there are gods depicted as half human and half animal. That god goes by the name of Ganesha. It has an elephant head on a human body. We have all the clues and answers right in front of us. All we have to do is brong them together to find out what and who is the creator of the universe. But at what price is this knowledge to be obtained. And will we regret finding out the truth in the end.

These lined from HP Lovecraft sum up my thoughts on the whole creator matter. -The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age. - HP Lovecraft ( The call of Cthulhu ) 1926

@Rubirosa [quote]Those that are on a higher scale then the elders or the engineers are the elephantine space jockey race[/quote] What elephantine space jockey race? Compare those two photos, these guys are pilots, a crew! [img]http://www.check-6.com/gallery/img/pilots/f16_pilot_ted_carlson.jpg[/img] [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9o4YRxyjl5I/T9YbM9yBnFI/AAAAAAAADBI/bcesDwkzot0/s1600/Prometheus%2Bspace%2Bjockey%2Bengineer%2Bpilot2%2Bpics.jpg[/img] They just have a more advanced bio-suit that protects them while their bodies are in hibernation state, when using the central pilot device (the other crew is asleep in the stasis chambers around the pilot device or somewhere else). The pipe that comes out of their helmets and makes them seem like elephants are like the helmets modern fighter pilots have today. The intelligent species are 4, humans-engineers (DNA match), Xenos (although they were presented as intelligent, their capability of creating a civilization is doubtful) and androids (David).

@ geopap I understand what you are telling me very well. But I just have the feeling that the original Space Jockey is what it is- Elephantine. I am not the only member on this site that has said the same thing. There are many older members on this site besides myself who agree with me. If you know anything about Alien you would know that HR Giger was responsible for the original design of the Space Jockey. He was influenced greatly by HP lovecraft and his Chtulho mythos. In that weird and amazing universe that Lovecraft created all the space giants and elders are described as hedious looking. So it is very strange to me that Giger would not go down that same path into insanity. Also remember that the original Space Jockey in Alien was larger. If you look close at it when Kane, Lambert and Dallas were studying it you will find that the long nose is attached directly to the rib cage. If it was an artificial breathing apparatus it would off desolved long before the Nostromo crew found it. You can even see that the rib cage is blown out, but the nose (made out of bone) remained attached to the rib cage. We do not have to agree on all matters on this site. Different views, opinions and ideas is what makes this site interesting.

If the black goo was 'God' then why would the Engineers fight against it? They run away from someone infected with it in the hologram, Bob the Engineer fights against it's result in Cuddles the Trilobite (wouldn't they know what the black goo becomes?), and does the Engineer at the beginning of the movie really know what's going to happen when he drinks the black goo? Or is he just a participant in a ritual like he got picked for the 'lottery'? If the Engineers are some sort of 'death cult' then maybe it would be a path to 'God' - like a Holy Water type of thing.

@Cry Havoc Supposing that the big head totem represents an android like David. Androids are unaffected by goo, so it might be reasonable that their immunity to the goo made them gods.