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Vyemm: Indeed. Good question. Why and how would someone profit from a Hoax? Also, you have the answer in the question: profit. But it gets a bit diferent when someone profits from an event that actually happened and distorts it according to it's own institution [Fatima as an example].

I like a lot more the recent answers and i personnaly totaly agree with you. I have another strange question for you guys ! Why hiding some event or consequences of some hard difficulty ? I personnaly thing it is for the same purpose, the power / profit.

So ! In anyway, the powerfull guys of our world just have all interrest to lie. I could say it is mathematic :p

[quote]Why hiding some event or consequences of some hard difficulty ?[/quote] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If the people who wish to hide things have trusted chain then they can do a lot of coverup. That includes killing civilians. But for casual hiding with some say deals and stuff is hard because if people from top to bottom are not fed money then truth comes out in news. That's why political scams come out easily but military scams don't come out that easily. If the aliens or UFO land on earth and if government grabs their weapons or some other stuff like energy related secrets or say intelligence then it does make sense hiding it for time being and then releasing the same information to make money.

Vyemm: Whoever is in power always wants to keep himself there. It's inevitable. The same way a peson that ascends to power wants to change the reality he/she lives in according to his/her own preferences. Change the world according to their point of view. That is why there are tiranies, governments killing their own people by the thousands, tens of thunsands, hundreds of thousands because those people want to take out the dictator from his power seat. That is why Nations invade other Nations, because they want more power and to be acknowledged as Powerful. Eventually all tyrannies fall, just like any Empire does. That is also inevitable.

@Sky: I agree with you for the most (even all :). But there is another reason to release informations about some past secret (very past, 50 years mini). Excepeted the money aspect, it is necessary to progress as a state or ether species. But after a complete new generation. It is also the reason why some secrets are reported to later release ! Because the people involved is still in activity :) A lot to aliment any hoax theory also. I stop here, The Deacon will try to scratch the Xeno Mouse !

Vyemm, Is it a hoax or is it a conspiracy, To try and help bring the thread back on topic... IMO the moon landings are genuine. It was the height of the cold war when both the US and the USSR were flexing whatever muscles they each had at each other to show whom between them was "the" super power. first we had the nuclear arms race which culminated in nuclear deterrence, then they shifted to the space race - who could do what first, first satellite, first person in space, first lunar satellite, first man on the moon. War creates competition, competition creates endeavor, endeavor creates creativity and creativity pushes the boundaries of the limits. The US landed on the moon because they had too, else the USSR would have beat them to it.

Vyemm: you are completly right about that, and I apologize for my behalf since I asked to be taken to PM's but wasn't accepted. Keep on friend and never mind us.

[quote]I have a theory about that, but maybe it is an Hoax ! So, forget it guys.[/quote] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You Sir. Win internet. :D

A lot of people have a real problem with space exploration. There is a romanticism about the moon that still lingers, as something unobtainable and unreachable by these mere mortals. I understand that... I don't understand is the thought process of those who see things right in front of them and still denie them. Pointless

@ Snork : I totaly agree with you. But (yes, it is always a but with the Xeno mouse), regarding the technologic aspect, fiew time before, the USSR was more advanced about propulsion and life experimentation, keeping alive and bringing back to earth, also about extra earth communication ? I am a space and moon fan and i clearly believe that the USA reach it and landed some guys on it. But some aspects are realy not clear about it, in 1968. My parents seen it in live from TV in 1968 and are clearly sure that it was real !! never mind :)

We will no doubt get the same thing with a manned mission to Mars, when that happens there will be those that say "its a fake, a hoax". Now although everyone is entitled to their own opinion, people with such attitudes are not those that endeavor to push the boundaries of human understanding and knowledge, they are naysayers. If we all listened to naysayers we'd all still be living in the trees picking nits of each others back and throwing turds at the tree next door.

What's fake about Moon landing? Stuff llike - [list] [/list] [list] Neil armstrong heard azan on moon. (Sound doesn't travel in vaccum, nuf said) [/list] [list] Moon has aliens. [/list] [list] Moon has broken spaceship. [/list] [list] Moon has nazis. [/list] [list] Moon can be accessed with worm hole from earth. [/list] [list] Moon is door of ctuhulu's heaven. [/list] and list goes on.

@ Sky: Do you know any of those worm holes ? Promise, i get in, i take a stone and i jump back.

No but I have patent for that worm hole and I wish to sell it to apple, so that I can charge per jump. It's about monies ya know. :P

Sky: may I quote? "What's fake about Moon landing? Moon has aliens. Moon has broken spaceship." I don't understand in which ground you stand on this matter but I'll grant the following ideas as dismissable: the "nazis on the moon" and the "cthulhu" one as well as the "door for inner earth" However, can you explain: why some of the photos taken from the moon were airbrushed? Why the backgrounds are cut off and replaced with sheer blackness that cut the crossairs on the photo machines? Why is it that with technology increasing, the imagery being taken gets worser instead of improving? Why can't people get their hands on [the most of] harmless photos taken by NASA? And when they do, they are airbrushed?

A lie in your face is not a conspiracy, it is a simple lie.

AL good one

@David Moon landing is true. Conspiracies that are around moon landing are fake and that was in my list. Moon has no aliens because there is no environment for the organic life to sustain. We're talking about vacuum here. Unless ofcourse aliens are in the form of wind or stone, In that case I will wait for the empirical evidence of their existence. 3 years back India found organism which managed to sustain without oxygen but required exposure to the light, they were in the higher region of atmosphere of earth, usually where our satellites move. So I don't want to comment on life on other planets, unless there is strong evidence. [quote]why some of the photos taken from the moon were airbrushed?[/quote] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know how come you have access to such images. Other than US, countries like India, USSR and China had missions collaboratively and there was nothing edited or airbrushed from their set of images. But thing is that you can't find anything online from these countries as there is government censorship that prevents it on their official sites. Thanks to US free culture, they do show it for the rest of us. Ofcourse some things will be removed because these missions are not part of exploration but are in the hopes of finding resources which our planet will lack in few years and many other reasons. [quote]Why is it that with technology increasing, the imagery being taken gets worser instead of improving?Why can't people get their hands on [the most of] harmless photos taken by NASA? And when they do, they are airbrushed?[/quote] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sensors. You can take good image of nebulae and galaxies if they're emitting or reflecting enough lights. Sensors catch objects better if there is good reflective objects or if the surface is emitting enough for it. Images taken inside the cave or any other underground places sucks equally like Moon images. However I can't answer your question WRT images taken on moon and mars during day time. I have never seen any good daylight image of mars from any source on and off internet. Also the images taken by the source are not live, they pass through the political filtersl. I don't think there is alien conspiracy about it.

However one can not deny the airbrushing. Same thing with the "face on mars". Instead of the pics getting better they got worse.

There are many such mountains that looks like face or say some fictional structures. They can't be treated as evidence for ET. However, Nazca lines, debated among people. Nobody goes at the top of mountain and draws images of species. I cant argue on that. Must be some civilization who had contact while ET modified set of species and which are shown in symbolics or whatever that conspiracy theory is on the net.

If you take a good look at Cidonia {where the "face" is located] you'll see some other oddities there, such as pyramidal figures with perfect geometry. I know of no case in nature that winds sculpts a perfet geometrical figure. That includes the "face" as well. Is too darned geometrical for a "natural thing" Yeah I herd that theory on the Nasca lines. Sometimes people prefer humanity to be a dumb animal, when actually we are great at doing things. Sure no one can say with a degree of certaity "it was build usig this and this" and jump to the Alien theory instead. However, there are some oddities that just don't fit well in the mainstream scientific knowledge. The "face on mars" and Cidonia being one of them. There are more, though, but the point in question is: why the secrecy about it?

The thing with shapes is that you can't come to conclusion. Do you know religious people believe that clouds that make certain shapes are because of heavenly blessing and stuff? Look around, you have many such sites with happy go lucky quotes on those cloud shape images. It's for the sake of psychological brainwashing so we know it. In case of structures it's hard. It is really hard to comment on structures, I am not into archeology and anthropology so that's really hard to comment. I do see secrecy from more of dominating politics angle. And I have seen how people do suppress knowledge for their own benefit. If any evidence comes out regarding biological manipulation and space travel. I would no doubt admit aliens contact or more like some of the civilizations getting more knowledgeable to leave this planet and farming us for their own sake. Structures and random sighting of ships, don't give us enough data for the ancient humans progress. I mean humans are not dumb enough for that. Look around we are more than 100k apart and communicating, we are smarter than our ancestors as well.

indeed we are mate, indeed we are.

Wow, i just caught up on this thread...long... Want to make a point about the film and taking of pictures. Indeed radiation could have wiped film clean and kill astronauts for that matter, but this does not mean that it "would" happen. The chances of rogue radiation from anything other than our sol star is unlikely and the chance of our own star producing a flair that would kill them or wipe film is also unlikely...yet not impossible. There is a very good chance that you could make it to the moon and not get zapped during the trip. They took a big risk and i honor their determination. It was a very important time for us to make it to the moon and I can definitely see why some throughout history would "like" it to be a hoax...but i think not. @Al I love the derelict in the background.. :)

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Fan: The pics were clearly airbrushed in many aspects, including the background. Richard C. Hoagland made a pretty good statement regarding it [though I'm sceptical to "insiders"], both him, Joseph P. Farrel and Richard Dolan make very good points on the whole issue with their feet down in the ground.

Batty: Good one. I have my doubts about that gentleman's personal persuit, but I have to reckon he presented some incredible stuff. Other things he shown were pure hoaxes while he sweared they were true. Never the less, the effort that coutry makes to show the world the phenomenon there happening all the time is, by all means, deserving a standing ovation.

Sorry if this has been talked about already but I didn't have time to read it all and some of it wasnt on subject anyway :P ! I heard two interesting things: 1 surely if they have been we could see the evidence from some satilite or telescope (footprints - flag etc.) - no? There were quiet a few sent up over the last 20 years no? And 2 why hasnt the chinese sent anyone up - I heard it because they say its impossible - in this day and age?! I my self think they did probably go (all 12 people that have supposedly walked on the moon) - but questions do hang over it all...

It would take more effort to coverup a lie of this magnitude than to actually go to the moon. Do a little math In your head on the logistics and it is staggering.