the elephant in the room

The truth is right in front of our faces. The original Space Jockey has his chest blown out. In Alien Dallas mentions it himself. Those ribs do not look like they are part of any suit. They are the ribs of the creature. Look at the size of the ribs, and they go together proportionatly with the large body itself.

i always thought the jockey was creepier that way, if u have ever listened to the warning signal of the derelict in the 2003 edition alien DVD the eerie sound thats played perfectly fits the elephantine jockeys appearance in my opinion.

Sorry for the double post but i seem to have coincidentally stumbled upon a very intriguing photo of what seems to be a rock or an alien skull on mars [img]http://www.alienvideo.net/0702/img/06-12/mars_2-102-skull-closer-views.jpg[/img] I don't know what you guys think but it looks a lot like a space jockey to me XD or at least looks a lot like it, it has a trunk like feature but then again this could be a rock as some say

HAH! They could use that pic to insert the Mars Ruins, leadng to Weyland buying Dr. Holloway and Shaw's thesis and putting a trillion something into it (with economics and all, who knows how much om our present currency that is...) Now...you guys made me remember that sound from the first Alien...and the shrills it brought...and how come now, throwing out continuity to the trash bin, they put the Muscles Guys as the ones sending that damned creeping yet honorable message out! And if I recall further, they say both in movie and book that it was a sound message....a final recording from the last survivor on that alien ship, telling in his final moments for no one ever land on that forsaken moon... So more interesting, so more dramatic and even romantic than they are delivering now... THe Muscle Guys (YEAH, Muscle Guys!) idea come straight from the times science fiction could not afford different imaging due costs in production and technology, and only books could try and dare our imagination. Ridley Scott in Alien was pioneering the really different conceptualization in science fiction movies, bringing two creatures whith a really interesting and aliennish images. The Bald Muscle Guys idea is from a really old, and uninteresting school, and although seems that it fell into taste of some, it is undeniable that the Real as Imagined not Altered Space Jockey concept (forget Giger's silly wall imaging, it was discarded then due a good reason, and s be it!) would be so, so undeniably more intersting to see in this story! Giant Gods creating humans and visiting them over time, that Space Jockey would have impressed any old human culture. But who knows...in the sequence we might see that the Real Space Jockey race is indeed at war with the Muscle Guys, and they were just using biosuits designed to imitate the Sapce Jockeys in order to sabotage their interactions with other species, imitating their image to fool less advanced cultures (like Earth humans in the past) purporting being the Real Deal. THAT could salvage this mess they have done with a concept that actually enabled them to carry this idea today. Put the Muscle Guy on that chair, explain everything like they are doing today back in Alien and this whole franchise would have died long ago of boredom and lack of imagination (Muscle Guys vs Space Ants....better Godzilla than that...many anime titles from the 80's and 90's did a way better work in science fiction than such concept, and they are still way ahead of US production in regards of originality and continuity...) as it was indeed dying...I seriously doubt ANY studio would shoot more Space Ants vs Dumb Grunts anymore... As I said before, I was totally thrilled to see the traillers, as I was envisioning seeing a live giant on the screen....but the let down was actually a giant letdown, even though I was kind of expecting such ....sadly so...

Same here, when i watched the trailers and saw the head on the examination table , straight away i thought that's what it actually looks like, oh and the hologram scene of the jockeys running when i saw that in the trailer i also thought it was the actual jockey, that looked creepy i gotta say. and yes seeing the "muscular guys" sending out that eerie creepy signal doesn't fit them at all, plus i always felt the "alien " jockey reminded me of Cthulhu, a giant laying dead in abandoned barren dark planet, same as how Cthulhu lay dormant in the dark deep sea for a very long time.

The Lovecraft Inspiration is deep in Giger, and yes, it does remind us who knows Lovecraft works because of the feeling of ancientness, mistery and old tragedy and inhumaness to that alien in the chair, plus the sound coming from that message. Let's remember Lambert's reaction, and the description in the book of them hearing the Audio Transmission (yeah! It was pure audio!), a feeling "like worms were crawling up their skin" ....My! THATS Pure, Raw Lovecraft for you! That is what you would expect from him! And then comes the Bald Muscle Guys with Eerie Eyes ( -_- ) That you would expect from acolytes in any Chtulhu Mythos story, but not from the beings themselves, and yet they choose to forget that original, really awesome concept in favor of the (a new one) Bald, Muscle, Sick Looking Skin Color Tall Guys (not even Giants anymore, just Muscled Basketball Player on scene). Makes me wish the movie was never done, and that Del Toro went and shoot At the Mountains of Madness instead, and let some really original guy come and rewrite the franchise, erasing all but Alien and from there on advancing to a story faithful to the original concept. No more wild adapting (and ultimately silly) All Changing DNA Molasse No More Ever changing Space Ants No More Monster Movie genre (already spent, and might be refreshed by Pacific Rim which gets its inspiration straight from japanese anime industry, which DOES present from time to time really original looking alien concepts and biotech) Thr original Alien had none (yeah, none) of those concepts. Ash's only comment was the incredible adaptiveness of the Facehugger, which translates into its capacity to lay a pup on any large bilogical body (why translating this into this messy and silly All Adaptative Changing DNA Molass comes from marvel mutant comics...and a poor idea for any manageable biowepon). Create an ever changing biowepon and one day you end up with a pussy cat or an unmanageable device, defeating the whole purpose of the very weapon. Now as the original concept brings it, a bioweapon capable of using any biological being to lay its pup, keeping its integrity in the process, is a dangerous weapon indeed. Put it with a very aggressive nature and a short lifespam and you can create real havoc among enemy ranks. The original Alien concept as it was done (please forget the - justifyed - abandoned scripts, images and ideas) both in movie and book is original, science fiction prooftested, mind provoking and entertaining...and I miss that a lot... James Cameron Sequel poisoned the whole franchise for sure... Matinee Basketball Players playing Gods and planning the destruction of mankind...well...you can't go more cliche than that nowadays. Stargate played the concept quite successfully for over 10 years, so one might imagine they would think twice into revisiting such plot, but then who can really fatom the Studio Heads... Alien Landmark into the Science Fiction Movie genre should have been respected...

How could they forget what made the differences back in '79 and go the way they did now wonders me... They should have said: Hey, we are shooting a new movie using only visuals from Alien, but with no relation at all with that story. Consider it an Alternative Reality and no relation at all" and all right, but ignoring continuity and cohesion at least (and more importantly) with the original Alien is a huge mistake, that takes out a lot from the original concept.