Future of the series - Prometheus' Sequel(s) - Ideas, Expectations & Desires

Well, it seems The Company (I liked more when it was only a huge dark shadow over them...) could use others, and David on Prometheus was very capable of undestanding engineer language, but as we saw Weyland himself, the founder of The Company, I thin he would keep it all wrapped to a few ones, and he could even have done the fatal mistake of not even sharing the material he had over fearing others to look fot what he wanted and arrive there before him. It is a fair concept to imagine though that The Company director's board after Weyland departure take more profit oriented decisions and start looking for the wepons...but it wuld be hard to really connect these ideas because instead of making the Nostromo go to LV426 (a moon from the Zeta II Reticuli sytem) it would have been easier to go back to LV226. For this to connect to ALIEN Shaw's message would have been lost. One thng I also notice, if we keep all this really conected to ALIEN, we already know that whatever Shaw will do has little to no effect to Earth, as Prometheus takes place decades before The Company sends the Nostromo to LV426 and well, basically, Earth is still there... A somewhat disapointing thing, no real reacton to whatever Shaw did...and might mean that we are of no concern or their civilization is really gone...

Nostromo was there thirty years after Shaw lifted the engineer's ship so I'm sure they had enough resources and time to survey several planets. I don't see how Shaw's message would have been lost for this to connect to Alien. The story is incomplete so we do not yet know what chain of events Shaw participated in to measure any effect from her actions. It is quite possible her actions helped set up protection for earth or simply delayed an attack on earth. No way to tell just yet. Knowing the ability of the sleep chambers on the Engineer's ship it is also possible Shaw pulled a Ripley on crack and slept for five hundred years, bringing her into Paradise with no time limit between DAVID's decapitation and the beginning of the sequel. Maybe the timeline has already been released in the teasers for Paradise?

Well, we know the FTL they use takes years to traverse given distances, and the engineer ship also used hypersleep chambers, so that is a route they can use for sure, which could explain why nothing happened during that time. Still illogical to bypass LV226 for bioweapons and go after a derelict ship on LV426, but then Weyland Ind. Bio-Weapons Div. might have done that under the cover of their own fellow sections... AS for what comes, if we see the sequel bypassing the previous movies, it would be even more interesting to see what they will really do with the series altogether. There is a lot to pull rogether until then. About Shaw message, was it sent to Earth or is it being transmitted by the lifeboat? If it is in the lifeboat it might be that it was turned off by malfunction or something similar...that could cover for ALIEN and the way The Company acted with the Nostromo crew...

Why couldn't they have done LV226 and had Nostromo visit LV426 too? Since Weyland is a private company it seems Shaw's message was sent to them and not the general public. Since Weyland financed and organized the expedition, I'm sure the company was excited to know it paid off because Shaw's message proved they found another species. Since the spacecraft on LV426 was an alien ship, does that mean it was from a different source than the Engineers? Possible but I don't think so.

I've been overlooking a scenario for the ship on LV426. What if it is the ship Shaw and David borrowed from LV223? (Isnt it 223 and not 226?)David's programmed loyalty was to Weyland, not Shaw. He lied to her to get off LV223 and report back to Weyland on Earth. They crashed on lv426 due to being attacked by the Bio weapons on board. There is no reason to think they would have been found by Nostromo because their remains would have easily been lost by either the crash or xenomorphs. Maybe Weyland used one of the ships on LV223 to locate the ship Shaw left on? Their technology certainly seemed capable of long distance low jack.

Pre~ have you been on the WHAT BECAME OF 10 11 12 (marketing site) recently and clicked on all the unlockables? There's a PICTURE OF DEACON attacking two humans - seriously. That's where Pro~2 is going? Another Texas Chainsaw Massacre villain? the [url=http://www.projectprometheus.com/discover/]QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED[/url] orb.

Humm This is bad news for the future of the series, if that is correct. THen again it would be logical that Weyland Ind. would send a team back to that moon as the lifeboat was there. Probably, and ok with that, the next movie would show a rescue team arriving at that moon and being attacked by that thing. No problem with that as long as they do not lead the sequels into the Monster Movie gente again. On the ships being compared here, despite their exterior being similar (same production line/principles as both are milllitary by what we know) they are not identical, especially the bridge. THe ship we saw in Prometheus has many features not seeing in ALIEN's derelict ship, not including size, which is totally different. Now, Shaw got another ship so that is still open, maybe the ship she got is different....but I doubt it. The whole scene from ALIEN reeks of old age, and the Space Jockey there is huge and seems dead for a very long time...and by the accounts we have from the producers, it has been dead for a long time indeed. I do not see Shaw crashing her comandered ship right after taking off...I think she will for to Paradise...what remains to be seen is which way the movie will take from then on...that intrigues me greatly

Here is an image from A1979 space jockey: http://deadlymovies.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/space-jockey-seat.jpeg This is from Prometheus http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xkGHNXllBWU/TyHlySePrVI/AAAAAAAAbX0/dUN1kOztA8o/s1600/whoisthat-1.jpg They look pretty close to me. Edit Just read a Scott interview and they are the same. Edit 2 What was the source of the sample David slipped in Charlie's drink? Did it come directly from the Bio weapon or was it a sample taken from the result of the Bio weapon raping and killing the Engineers?

@Freeplanet - When you click the 'Paradise' orb, the site locks down, too?

@Freeplanet. Could you post up the pic of the Deacon attacking two people, please? I have no patience for that piece of GARBAGE flash site. And it crashes... If it isn't possible. Which orb is it under? Also. Again, i really hope the Engineers just don't end up being antagonists... We have the Deacon, and its kind for that purpose :D.

Some time ago I did a little story with different ideas, some mine and others that I have read in the forums, a possible scenario for the sequel. Recently I changed my opinion about the story so qque I'm trying to make a new ... but here goes anyway: Prometheus 2: The Paradise [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/136746355_Image9_122_26lo.jpg[/img] In the prologue we see part of the scene of Engineers in the genesis of the Earth and other scenes showing the Engineers watching humans in ancient times. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/16218.jpg[/img] There is a sinister plan in motion. [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/imagesCAHA3S4M.jpg[/img] and then the story is seen through 2 points of view: 1) YUTANI EXPEDITION [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/Ogame_Space_Ship_Wallpaper.jpg[/img] The Yutani company send a ship called "Ethon Five" to investigate what Weyland found on LV-223. The crew is composed by: Miss Takako Yutani (Yutani company CEO). Marines: Shepard, Hunter, Lawrence, Lekker, Morgan, Bernard, Jacob, Tyler, Cameron ,Logan and Jenna. Scientists: Dr Daisuke (Astronomer), Dr Arthur (paleontologist), Dr Sydney (Archeologist), and Dr Savir (Geneticist) Pilots: Jim, Kail and Connor. The crew explores the pyramid. Inside on the temple the crew is attacked by huge snakes (22 feet long) living in the swamps of Black waters in the the big head room. There, one of the creatures crushed the head of one of the Marines, Hunter, with their powerful jaws. Then Lawrence opens fire with his pulse rifle against the creature, killing her; but the corrosive blood reaches his face and body and burned to death. Another snake wrapped around the body of Cameron crushing by constriction. After killing him is burned with a flamethrower by Commander Shepard. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/Snake_Alien_by_ReBeLKiMy.jpg[/img] At the same time one of the Marines, Lekker, fled terrified by the claustrophobic corridors of the structure and is kidnapped by the Deacon between the shadows. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/deacon_concept6.jpg[/img] More later the second expedition explorer the Juggernaut and find the deacon adult, now become in a huge monster, even more larger than the Engineers. The creature moves with great speed and agility on the walls and ceilings and attacks by ambush, killing 3 members (Abie, Bernard, and Daisuke). when he finally reveals himself kill Arthur and Morgan with its second mouth. Finally, the monster is destroyed, but the squadron of the mission has suffered heavy losses. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/9930a422dc642acc4017f0e3b27ce945-d55n0z1.jpg[/img] Then the survivors of the crew found the cargo hold full of urns, and decide to take 2 for analysis. Within the Ethon, in the laboratory, the Dr Savir (scientific officer) studies the strange black substance injected into laboratory animals and he discover that not only serves to create a biological weapon, also has other qualities such as reviving corpses. The crew also collected what looks like a kind of solidified green resin, this resin in the form of green crystals preserved in very good condition DNA samples from some kind of creature. The samples dating back millions of years old. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/film-alien-egg-morph.jpg[/img] On the other hand the man who was kidnapped by the Deacon, Lekker, is enveloped in a cocoon. After a while it becomes an egg. Jacob finds the egg and a small creature (a cross between cephalopod and spider) born and jumps to stick on his face. [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/concept_87.jpg[/img] Now the leader of the ship, Miss Takako Yutani, plans to steal the urns of the cargo hold of the Juggernaut to bring back to Earth. Through it all she informs the rest of the fleet, which is to come, about the mansaje of Dr. Shaw, but before leaving the orbit of the moon a huge Engineer mothership (like a flying saucer) flying over the pyramids of LV-223... [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/dfvghjkl.png[/img] 2) SHAW AND DAVID TRIP [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/capital_ship.jpg[/img] David and Dr Shaw find the home planet of the Engineers like a place ravaged by the war and all cities are in ruins. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/prometheus_chamber_by_radojavor-d4bkui2.jpg[/img] Among the ruins Shaw and David sighted hundreds of old ships abandoned in the post-apocalyptic landscape. [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/tumblr_m2220o4MVd1rnm594o1_400.jpg[/img] Then the true God is revealed as a huge biomechanical mothership and kidnaps Dr. Shaw and David. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/359_1066199614852_4369_n-copia.jpg[/img] Inside the gigantic ship everything seems biomechanical and organic. The walls take horrible humanoid forms when David and Shaw crossed by the claustrophobic and dark hallway. Some of the humanoid figures are mated sexually to give rise to new and more exotic life forms. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/GIGER_LANDSCAPES.jpg[/img] Finally both come to the bridge. There are a huge biomechanical monolith. Definitely is not a machine, is some kind of complex and superior life form. Shaw tries to communicate with the entity to get his precious answers, then David helping her, and begins to transmit the messages in the language of the Engineers to communicate with the God. There, the creature displays enormous tentacles and inserted into the skin of Shaw. Shaw's body begins to mutate into a big biomechanical woman. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/hr_giger_csg081-1--7c0d76.jpg[/img] at the same time the mechanism produces a strange siren sound (as in the trailer for Alien and Prometheus) The Dr. Shaw begins to see images of the ancient past in his head... [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/prometheus_and_god_by_dejano23-d56r8kq.jpg[/img] And the truth is that the Engineers are just tools, very similar to the relationship between humans and androids. The Engineers rebelled against his master and creator. They did not want to be simple terraforming tools and created a terrible biological weapon to fight against this Gods. The Engineers found the DNA samples of an extinct race of monsters in Crystals of green resin. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/nfs8rn.jpg[/img] This species lived in LV-223 five million years ago. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/ahahah.jpg[/img] They have a skeletal body with hardened tentacles on the back and a sort of tube attached to the sternum. Then the armed military of the engineers race design their biomechanical space suits based on the appearance of the ancient monsters. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/concept001.jpg[/img] After performing many experiments with the DNA of this extinct Aliens,the engineers finally created the perfect soldier. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/alien1.jpg[/img] But they had some troubles to transporting the eggs, 2200 years ago an engineer trying to transport a shipment of eggs in his old Juggernaut but an incident occurred, and he crashed on LV-426. The pilot sent a signal to his brother explaining what happened before he died and the military scientists of LV-223 began to perfect his creation. In the process many Engineers died but one survived to complete the mission. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/space-jockey-alien-580x426.jpg[/img] And the evolution took the next step and the gun was redesigned and updated to facilitate the transport. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The Engineers plans were to carry the weapon to Earth to use humans as incubators of an army of xenomorphs. The star maps was a trap because Sometimes to create, one must first destroy. [img]http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh517/starparadise86/tumblr_m3yizyOa7D1rnm594o1_500.jpg[/img] The visions stop but the biomechanical God entity has read Shaw's memories and she knows that the humanity is interested in the monstrosities that the Engineers have created (as well as other races in the past) and now the Alien ship is headed to LV-223 to stop this threat. At that moment, David discovers another kind of Urn. Inside he can see a black substance bubbling similar to that contained in other Urns. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/concept_79.jpg[/img] This new liquid can generate a biochemical reaction to convert RNA into DNA and cause a real biological Big Bang (similar to the Cambrian Explosion). This masterpiece of the Genetics engineering is the true fire of the gods. A technology that undoubtedly would make to the humans equal to the Gods. But before David takes the following action, the terrifying figure of the now transformed Shaw appears behind him to destroy it. Now a dark and frightening battle will occur in LV-223...

Here is the true background: The Xenomorphs are the ones who long long ago engineered other lifeforms (including Space Disc Jockeys) but the sneaky ass Engineers somehow took power & started messing with their creators, the Xenomorph genes, to make them less intellectual or reasoning & boiled them down to animalistic aggressors to be used as weapons against rival lifeforms (eventually humans). So engineers do not really engineer shit, they tinker around with goos and liquids in cauldrons & learned how to generally recreate aggressive beings to meet their ends. When Shaw goes to their planet she will find all of this out & meet one of the original Xenomorphs who is quite intellectual and can have discussions, play chess, and reason. Shit it even wears a monocle. Then I woke up & was on a Prometheus discussion.

@Shambs Some very... VERY incredible ideas. You should be a screenwriter, my friend. I'll pick out everything that i absolutely loved. The ideas of the organic starship's walls. Very hot; both figuratively, and literally. The Engineers creating their assets in the image of the Xenomorph. Pretty much everything about the Xenomorphs. Now. Everything else. I can't say i DON'T LIKE. I'm simply on the fence... And i'm approaching them in a subjective manner. The organic starship. Just... TOO Mass Effect. GAH! The Engineers being creations themselves, and more to the point; tools. I don't like. Simply put, i'm an Engineer nut-swinger. i just love them too much. They must be their own Gods. Just not glorified, not as Weyland would make them sound. Gods of reality. Of the physical world. Yes. Gods... as in... Turning a glass of water into a glass of milk... by snapping your fingers? NO. :D Just purely ridiculous knowledge of the universe. Making the Engineers hostile, again, i don't like.. Them, being the main antagonists. I don't like that, at all. Everyone should ask themselves - Is it really even necessary to have an antagonist? Do we need a main antagonist, or antanogists in the series? No. Not really. This type of movie, absolutely not. And if ANYTHING, it should be the Xenomorph. But this time, unlike ALL of the Alien movies, they'll be there for a purpose. They'll be playing the role of the antagonist definitely.

Many claim the sequel is going to pull further away from the Alien-sequel mode. I think they going to do that be further explaining the revelance of the xenomorph, not necessarily the drone we saw in Alien or deacon we saw Prometheus, but their overall design as a whole. If what we saw in Alien and Prometheus really are just a fraction of the puzzle as Fassbenger puts it, then we all are in for the climax of the decade when it comes full circle.

It's official, folks! The sequel is titled "Paradise"! Now we'll all be wondering... is it quite as literal as it sounds? Hehehe... ------------------------------------------------------------------- @Warrior7 Well, i think what Fassbender is trying to say is; The connection is very small. The Xenomorph is purely just a single thing that relates to the series' story. The whole xenomorph situation in Alien lingered into... well. Alien. Just as i have said it. Alien is the preamble. Sort of a spin-off that happened BEFORE the actual series. Rather than after; as it usually happens. Despite the fact that Prometheus was disappointing as it was... I'm SO EXCITED FOR THE SEQUEL! And i'm fairly certain that Prometheus will be treated as the introduction to the series. And i don't just mean that chronologically. I'm talking quite literally as well. Usually, a movie series goes 1st movie, 2nd, 3rd. And so on... I like to think of Prometheus as 0.5 chronologically :D. I hope that makes sense. And the actual journey truly starts with Paradise. Being the first in the series. I'm predicting that there will be a total of three movies. Including Prometheus. Making it four.

Well, they can tie all movies (not that I like the concept) and still have it totally appart from them, using chronological events to bypass those movies and move forward...or not. Anyway some of the concepts above are really interesting. I personally like the "Xeno as an intelligent being" scenario, having mentioned such concep in another, old thread. They could be one of the species they found out there and copyed them due structural reasons, or they might be their creations, n ancient times, and might have rebelled against them in the past. The conflict implicit in the derelict ship full of bioweapons from the first ALIEN should be an integral part of the sequel, maybe becoming the really important, connecting material to the whole new series/movies. a conflict where these Engineers might be the side not to choose to be with, as they already proved (at least that group on that moon) to be hostile. Maybe the xenos were, as I posted in anoter thread, the original galactic seeders, billions of years ago seeding planets, and after achieving their goals they left the galaxy, leaving behind images of themselves and some structures and some tech the engineers might have tried to reverse engineer and use, but desatrously in some cases as they do not understand fully the tech from the ancient gone seeders. That might account for the xeno-like image in a seemingly religious set up...

The xenomorph IS the perfect organism, as Ash puts it in Alien back in 1979. Which is probably why they were held in such high regards to the engineer culture. But the Engineers overstepped their bounds in trying to recreate them as weapons and it backfired on them. Maybe the xenomorphs are the real gods and the Engineers in essence were just over-ambitious titans trying to conquer their Mt. Olympus by recreating them as weapons. Unfortunately for both sides, they succeeded (the deacon). Scott, Fassbenger and the Creature Design Team describe the deacon as the ultramorph, with much more advanced thinking processes and, overall, a much deadlier killer than its ancestor the xenomorph. The titans wanted us as test subjects to test their "anti-god" and almost succeeded. Which leaves the question, who will win and how will the victors' opinion of the human race alter from the conflict. Don't get me wrong, Prometheus is about the Engineers, but they are apart of an old universe that clearly is going obsolete. Kind off like the Byzantine Empire and how it slowly but surely declined in its 1000 year existence. I know this is be no means a new theory, but its just me version of it. Say what you wish about it :)

Yeah The idea of the Xenos being the template for their weapons and they as higher beings is one I like. I would welcome the concept if they present them as a fully technological and intelligent species, not a mindless killer. They could be at war with the Engineers exactly due their attempt to use stolen DNA to deturp and create an army that could rival to this Xeno civilization millitary... Do it right and can become a great concept, but it needs to be done well, or such can derail fast.

Do any of you think that Holloway and/or Shaw knew about the xenos?

Well, I do not think so, otherwise they would be a lot more carefull on entering a engineer facility. Shaw said it was nt what they thought... Holloway was a really careless. Shaw would want some kind of weapons on their expedition.