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Custodian
MemberOvomorphMarch 20, 2013I know we all love RIdley Scott's directing genius and he's made some cracking films in his time.
But WHAT IF someone with limitless funds offered to REBOOT the whole pre-alien franchise (it's all the rage, right now, so why not?). And I don't necessarily mean with Scott or Lindelof or Spaight on board. I'm talking about THE ORIGINAL PREMISE for the Alien Prequel, as it was always known to be, and not something that stinks of Stargate or some other 'aliens interfering with the Human Geneline'.
Offered the proverbial 'carte blanche' - what are your thoughts on a total Prometheus Reboot? Where would you have liked a prequel to RIdley's 1979 flim ALIEN to have gone?
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March 20, 2013
Exactly where it went with "Prometheus" and where it is hopefully going with "Paradise". I really cannot think of anything better. Could you expand on "The original premise...as it was always known to be"? What exactly is that supposed to be, if I may ask?
If anything, I'd like to see a directors cut of Prometheus with all those lovely deleted/alternative/extended scenes put back in. But that's just my opinion.
March 20, 2013
@Custodian: You're saying: "I know [i]we[/i] all love..." But comparing "Prometheus" with something "stinking of Stargate" doesn't sound much like [i]you[/i] do.
..and then "rage", what rage?
March 20, 2013
Watching Alien and seeing the dead SJ's ripped stomach pretty much explained itself. Because id heard about the ways of the Xenomorph (from everyone) and i thought the SJ's just been in the wrong place at the wrong time, touching the wrong stuff, therefore cursing everyone who comes into contact afterwards.Therefore a prequel wasn't necessarily a must-have but im glad Prometheus and the Engineers were created.
Hopefully David and Shaw go to LV426, and check the recordings, and see what actually happened.
Its not quite the same, but i have this opinion about the Narnia books being made into movies.... by Disney.... =/ Its like its been bubble wrapped and has a different soul,but as i said, not quite same =/
Think he meant Range* (fashionable at this particular time) not Rage
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March 20, 2013
I'm with HAL 9000... I'm content with 'Prometheus'... I just hope Scott will consider a director's cut and not stick to his original thought that "the theatrical cut is the director's cut".
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March 20, 2013
I agree with Hal as well. Although I probably wouldn't have had a problem with a john sphaits type of script on screen, I love where this went. Even through all the questions it raises(philosophically and production wise) it really made me love it and has garnered my extreme interest for the scifi genre. this seems to powerful to just reboot
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March 20, 2013
@Membrane: I totally agree with you there. So yeah, let's team up mate! ;)
Again, Scott went back to this genre and 'his' universe in an attempt to answer those questions we all had on our minds for decades, and as far as I'm concerned he delivered. We wanted to know who that 'Space Jockey' is, and I think we all have a better understanding about that now, although his personal fate still remains unexplained. So far...
We wanted to know more about 'The Company' and its shady involvement in the happenings aboard the Nostromo. We most certainly do now. And this is just the beginning so what on earth would we need another reboot for?
Just one more little thing... "unlimited Funds"? As in... S.R. Hadden from "Contact"? Seriously?
@Custodian: I really would like to know what you were thinking when starting this thread! Honestly!
March 20, 2013
Oh, and one other thing concerning a director's cut... I look at 'Blade Runner' and 'Kingdom of Heaven' as two Scott movies that were greatly enhanced and benefited from one. The thing with those though, is I believe Scott was not entirely satisfied with the theatrical cut from the start, whereas, he seems to be with 'Prometheus'. Maybe it's just a little bit of stubbornness he's getting with old age. Then again, he's the acclaimed director, I'm just the fan. :-)
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March 20, 2013
im not the least bit interested in a reboot. As others have said, id like to see a directors cut...nothing dramatically different from the theatrical cut. Id just like to see a few choice scenes reintegrated into the film (in fact, most of the deleted scenes were subpar and were deftly cut, imo). Im into this new story. Cant wait for its continuation.
Also, i dont want our travelers to make any pitstops on LV 426. There is no need to go back there.
March 20, 2013
Joeeyyy- how ya doin?
Custodian- done right, a film about the Ganesha Space Jockey would have been awesome, and terrifying, and probably not anything a major studio would be willing to throw hundreds of millions of dollars at. That thing has haunted and mystified me for decades, and I think the Engineer answer was actually quite clever, because it leaves room for interpretation. Are they the SJ? Are they not? It's brilliant, really, that they managed to not contaminate that hallowed ground while still taking us to the very center of it.
I respect that you didn't get what you wanted, I didn't actually get what I wanted either, I was just very happy with what I did get. This really is a great movie, and we're lucky to have it.
People keep asking how Paradise will work with only 2 human characters, which is a good question. I think it could work, so long as we can give up the thrill of watching people die horribly. Although, the Engineers are sufficiently human. Better yet, they can take more abuse. I don't know, man, I think RS and co. knew what they were doing, for Prometheus, and any continuation if the story.
March 20, 2013
Major Noob,
FINALLY somebody who 'gets' my original premise and the reason for making this thread.
Admittedly, I think the one mistake was 'hacking Prometheus to bits' to squeeze it into a cinema slot -- the 'extended' i.e. proper version, would have rocked.
But there's still that 'original premise' that Scott set himself, "Who was [i]that big guy[/i] in the chair and what's his story?" What is that chair? He didn't at any point say, what's that pressure suit you need a pressure suit to get into.
And that scene of the Derelict-resurrected shooting flames out it's ass? Really? That wasn't the shittest ending possible for what 'for me and others' was a warp-drive ship run from the Ganesha turret by a 5 METER BEING THAT COULD 'FOLD SPACE FROM IX' to pun another film.
Etc.
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March 20, 2013
HAL,
'all the rage' means 'fashionable, right now'.
:)
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March 20, 2013
technically i don't ever think we'll be able to see what our beloved "Lovecraftean" space jockey would look on screen since Scott changed the idea of the jockey from what we originally conceived it to be. actually the jockey looks much less "elephant" in aline than the suit does in Prometheus, in alien its more of a breathing apparatus that's a part of its head.
about the origins of the space jockey in alien i would prefer it to be left a mystery, after all it was the mystery that made it special. But i would still love to see the original space jockey alive on screen some day
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March 20, 2013
I've been meaning to take a closer look at that scene (Juggernaut lift off). I like to think that magenta streak is the equivalent of retinal burn, that there isn't actually a thruster trail happening there, just an optical one. Call me a dreamer, I can take it.
King- I think there's plenty of room for a separate SJ race, and clues in Prometheus seem to hint at it. We all can bring our own interpretations to the table, I think that was the idea. But I agree that touching the SJ culture in real time on film is perhaps best left alone, and maybe RS thought so too. It worked in Alien because we didn't know, we were given enough information to let our imaginations fill in the dark, creepy blanks.
What other Science Fiction story is held so dear, and so hotly debated? That's why answers are not necessarily desirable, not all of them anyway. Custodian, welcome Prometheus into your heart. It's calling you. Give it a damp, chilly corner. Where it can grow.
March 20, 2013
Just to make sure I’ve not been confused with any minor details that might be misinterpreted as facts. Prometheus did not happen on LV426, so any feelings regarding Prometheus are irrelevant. So the question is whether there is a story to be told about the big guy in the chair on LV426, and if it were possible to make a movie about it, what would it be?
I think the big guy in the chair is an alien species nothing like the Engineers. It happened a long time ago in a universe far, far away. And Starbucks had’nt been invented. That’s where I would start. So far, so good or what? My originality knows no bounds.
I would open up with a some small spacecraft chasing the Juggernaut towards LV426, but not firing anything.
March 20, 2013
In regards to king's last comment, you mention how it doesn't seem very elephantine anymore. Well, I think he isn't supposed too. I personally think it would have been a but cooler to have a thirty foot engineer in Prometheus( "call me a dreamer...") but Sir Ridley probably wanted them to seem closer to us than we would think our gods to be. Size is a good way to help people get that because of it being such an obvious physical feature. Plus, thirty foot sj's would be hard to make and look real enough for us. I know that probably isn't what ur necessarily thinking or anything. I just like saying that rant. I have said it several times on the site haha
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March 20, 2013
@ cuponator
Before Prometheus was released, there was quite a bit of info flying around that did lead me to believe that the engineers were 30ft plus. I think that would have been a cool idea. Just out of interest, we have not seen the engineers or elders together, so would it be possible that the elders turn out to be 30ft plus. That would be different.
March 20, 2013
Batchpool, I'm just gonna indulge in a bit of shamelessness and suggest you look at [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/10776]this [/url]if you haven't already.
To really tell that story, none of it could be in English. I would love that, no English, or shall we say no Earth language, and no subs. But a real, translatable language. Or not. That would be an appropriately freaky film, with the right story and visuals.
And yes, no weapons. At least none that make sense.
Custodian, yes, a hack job. That's my take. But only just a little. I don't think confidence was high on the part of the studio, and I think Ridleys stance is at least in part political. But I agree with Joey, the final product is pretty slick. Plus, there seems to be footage no one has seen. Remember the Engineer running stills, and looking at a book?
March 20, 2013
@ Major Noob
I don't know if you have ever seen this, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL199i0mKrs]Mindwarp, Galaxy of Terror[/url]
James Cameron was a Production Designer for it. I thought Prometheus was going to go down this road, or something similar, but you can definitely see how the Aliens set must have been forming in Camerons' mind. There are also elements in this film that have parallels with your link.
I do think that having no translatable language is a good idea and would intensify the atmosphere.
March 20, 2013
Prometheus is an absolute masterpiece. That being said, I would welcome a Director's Cut! (Especially If it contained some of the unseen scenes mentioned above)
I have seen this movie so many times my wife thinks I have Asperger's; and it just keeps getting better! I constantly destroying and rebuilding my own theories.
The only scene I would dream of changing is the Fifield Attack. I would have made him look more Xeno-esque.
To even speak of a do-over or reboot is outrageous!
I've read Spaights original draft, and while it was cool, it would have been just another pick-em-off alien movie.
I'm confident the SJ was just another Engineer who was somehow impregnated by a facehugger or goo or some crap.
I wonder if the connection will be made more direct in Part 2.
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