Matrix existence the norm ?

@ Necronom 4 does not the Smoke Matrix already exist. Oblivion is set in motion. Chocolate digestives in your space suit when Terrorformed? In that universe you dont get the munchies...YOU ARE THE MUNCHIES. Yummy I wish the black goo was Green. That would expand some things out of this world.

Wow mindblowing stuff, If Prometheus 2 does come out, I would've seen the idea here first. Great idea Batchpool about the facehuggers, the goo then would be the upgraded wi-fi.

I guess the main question I am asling here is if the lines between virtual reality and reality are beginning to bluir. Davids hair moved from wind crerated by the running engineers. Is the ablity to create holographic images from recording the movements molecules in the environment around you almost like being god ? And then replaying it. And if the replaying gets closer to the original then that would make very powerful. I cansimply transfer my consciousness to another body live there . Do I reaaly need time travel all the time or do I simply spread bodies all over the show and wake them up as required. Maybe the wars were not about power or thchnology per say but control over the subspace frequencies that allows mind control over the bodies of engineers sleeping in juggs in different parts of the galaxy. So the breakaway factions were in fact engineers who found a way to get away from the mind control of the elders and was trying to reork for their own gain. Did humans perhaps gain acess to this knowledge that they weren't suppose to have because of the breakaway factions hive mind control not functioning properly ?

@ oduodo You really could be onto something here. I had to comment on your whole replaying idea. That idea fits nicely with some of the themes from Thus spoke Zarathrusta. As well, we must remember that David likes films, and the film that he likes is definitely not random. He likes to replay it, and wants to look like the actor from Lawrence of Arabia by the way he styles his hair, and could possibly act like the character from the film he likes in some ways. Movies are almost like a simulation of reality, or can be a representation of reality that is more like a fantasy. Sometimes they can be pure fantasy, a complete dream. They also reflect culture and are reflective of the cultures. The fact David likes Lawrence of Arabia reflects some of his inner desires in a way, and he associates himself with that film for some reason. David likes to watch dreams, or dreams that are also memories (as this is no ordinary dream if it's a childhood memory). There are many psychological factors that could play into it. The engineers would then sort of want to replay reality or replay history by hopping into these bodies and using the fact that data travels at light speeds to technically timetravel and be there in the past, but also in the future somewhere dreaming.... Films can be edited badly, there's speculation that David planted false memories in Shaw's dream. He did insert himself into her dream, maybe he could edit memories through the subconscious and make her behave certain ways by editing her memories, like a movie.... Perhaps David has this fascination with re-watching old movies/transmissions/simulations of reality as well... And it's not really a dream, but more like a holographic movie in which everything is semi-real and still organic. A memory. A simulation of reality encoded in the mind. And in your replaying ideas, tied into the eternal recurrance ideas, things would actually happen in the real world, so it's kinda the reverse of the matrix. Memories are recollections of reality copied/encoded into the brain. Sometimes real events inspire movies and dreams, sometimes dreams recur, and sometimes people remember things a certain way, or start to remember/edit their memories in a way that differs from reality -- when things are repressed or for a number of reasons. David watches Shaw's dream/memory like a movie. I think it's about simulated realities and all that but a lot of it still has to do with the mind,belief and freewill, control, deceit on the company's/David's behalf, the trick, and the power of the mind. Sometimes we can even engage in self-deception and remember things wrong. The Engineers realized they could live longer by uploading themselves past partially synthetic bodies to cloud storage, and live forever in the clouds. While controlling things in their sleep, through clone bodies that self-replicate, spread more versions and alternate forms, and so forth. The whole warring faction idea can be linked to the Lawrence of Arabia stuff, if David is able to somehow edit reality because he's already in Paradise and hacked his way in, then maybe he knew many things in advance and his robo form was basically just on auto pilot at that point. Maybe he knew it would be an adventure and is living in a reality that can be edited from subspace, and has to always exist/recur for all the hardware to be stored. Maybe he knew things ahead of time and has the power of foresight, like Prometheus would... The brain is like a quantum computer. The subconscious mind is still a mystery to science in some ways. People talk about precognitive dreams and things like that. There are psychological themes and brain themes coming along with the Frankenstein/modern Prometheus themes. When you look at some of the things brought up in the film it can be quite a confusing puzzle, but in some way I believe there is something to what you've mentioned with your re-playing idea, and how David likes films/likes watching dreams, and wanted to style himself after lawrence of arabia. Did he have freewill in the choice of film... or was that programming too?... Weyland quoted that film back 2023. Like father, like son?... It's all very interesting. David brings up things from psychology that might have to do with the subconscious. Maybe there are hidden drives.... Hidden reasons that people behave the way they do, in sometimes stupid or illogical ways, for no apparent reason. The subconscious is very powerful, but often the waking mind doesn't know what the other side is doing. We're told that in the scene with Weyland on his Yacht in dreamspace he has a preference of scenery... Weyland was in his Paradise on a Yacht, young again... but he left and became a nihilist. Weyland had this ability to edit his dreams. He was still looking for real immortality on the other side, the genetic side, within the spiral of the organic hologram. And the subconscious aspects, dream states interacting with virtual realities, subspace, subtle conditioning, editing and not completely planting false memories, and all that actually does make it a little different from the matrix. Replaying the past through synthetic versions of it. Possibly even the ability of the subconscious to operate free of time, some believe time is actually cyclical in nature, but the conscious mind perceives it a certain way... What if David was editing people on very deep levels and making them act the ways they were just to get Weyland out of dreamspace, and trick him into dying... Doesn't everyone want to see their parents die? Maybe David wanted to but couldn't do it himself, his programming wouldn't allow it... He imagined he would be free after Weyland died, but maybe he already knows the end to this story because he's seen this movie before, created Prometheus as a simulation of reality, an edited representation. Simulations of reality and images burned into the back of peoples' brains like film reel, through the senses, our recording devices used to subtly program the crew members... David conditioning Shaw and rewarding her with the cross for a job well done, taking it away to test her faith, running experiments within her memories and connection to our collective consciousness. Editing Shaw's memory and giving us a certain perspective by not telling us the full story. Presenting it to us, the viewers, in the way David wanted Shaw to remember the adventure. For example, certain inconsistencies may arise when you pay attention to Shaw's ring, and there could be visual clues that alternate versions of Prometheus went on and David is splicing memories together. People have brought up the liquor bottle still standing in the juggernaut after the crash, maybe this is something copied over from an earlier memory/version... Maybe David left out certain parts of Prometheus and edited himself a certain way... Cutting off our feed to make us believe certain things and make the story more ambiguous for Shaw and the audience... In the deleted scenes/ overwritten memories, Shaw is more pissed off at David at the end... David can almost understand human emotion (something the other androids couldn't). Maybe it's better if Shaw keeps repressing her thoughts about him killing Charlie... Some of her anger was starting to show in the altenate ending. A more neutral Shaw is perhaps easier to work with, and he had to condition her a certain way/make her remember things a certain way, by editing her dreams and memories. Entire groups or cultures could be completely controlled without knowing it. In some ways religion and legends could be a human system of control based around belief and ideas, and how we edited them and changed them as we went along to serve different purposes. Also, the actual control could be conducted through cultural means with humans... why movies and music and all that is important. Music flies the ships for the Engineers. Frequency control etc, and the mind can sort of generate frequencies in the form of brain waves, even without ESP. Control by a king or queen. Or being shocked back to life.

Although I feel the organics are still very important to things and agree the aliens might have some sort of hive mind directed by the Queen. As well maybe something else to do with our own collective consciousness and subconscious. I think that could be why themes from psychology are important, David might sort of believe that deep down all humans are driven by subconscious and impulsive desires, not necessarily that everyone wants to kill their parents, however that's exactly how David and Vickers think/feel inside. Maybe the subconscious is the better quantum computer when it comes to human minds, and David's artificial human mind has been created a little differently than most androids to allow him to almost understand human emotion... We could have almost this genetic programming that makes some of us behave certain ways, and David dislikes being made close to us, not too close I hope... In some ways, David could be a little bit like Frankenstein's monster. I think that at least the virals found with the movie could tie into things a little bit and that there are things to do with the brain, inner desires/drives, freewill, perception and things of that nature being foreshadowed for sure by the Happy Birthday video, however I do really think David does like to emulate what he watches. Likes to re-create/act out things in a way.

Hiveminded Uh well so many ideas tou have mentioned. Thanks for posting. Main point for me . If i can record and then later make and replay / recreate somewhere else and then eventually simply make something up and then replay / recreate by simply pointing a laser or some kind of device somewhere and it reforms or recreated matter to mu design - literally changing the space matter energy time continuum to my design / will THEN Wouldn't I be god ?

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Is the hologr aphic replay equipment not the start of that and as the elders and suoer elders reach the singularity isn't this where the technology is at xuch a level that this matter forming ability is simply a matter of will ? But then something greater then they must be controlling them because I believe there is an order to the universe . Those who won't abide by it simply won't function and disappear. How this syustem works is the real question . Who decided that and whu ?

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It appears there has been a glitch in the matrix haha. It's worth reading 3 times over though! great thread!

Thanx !!!!!

Oduodu.....speaking of Matrix your on top of 420 posts dude. I propose a toast which is really a roast. If you know what I mean. Cheers

Ruhaniya You talking about bacon perhaps .......??? LOL Anyways.... We are both approaching 500 posts . I hope in the time I have been here I have done more good then bad. It is really the only place I can go to have my say. I am beginning (as an ISTJ) to understand different opinions and personalities. Thanks for all involved in making this blog what it is.