Back to the Drawing Board

Batchpool
MemberFacehuggerNovember 15, 20135735 Views36 RepliesGiven that Ridley was not able to go where he wanted in what he put on screen, I have come to the conclusion that Prometheus ‘developed’ into a stand alone movie, but at what point it became that, who knows?
I think when Ridley was shooting the movie that maybe he could give it something of a direction that he may have originally intended. Unfortunately, after final editing decisions were mad and we have what we have.
It is only through lots of debating, and looking through all the threads generated I have come to the conclusion, What if Ridley during his final editing decided that it would be better to deliver a film that tries to get away as far as possible from what was first conceived. That way it would be possible to leave the door open on being able to make a movie that goes back to what the original idea was.
There is also the option of treating Prometheus as an off shoot back story for something that might only be referred to a short time in a new movie. The central characters such as Shaw and David might then become very small cogs in a big machine.
I suppose in a way I am saying that it is possible to tear everything up and go back to the drawing board and look at producing something that resembles the original drafts .
I’m not saying this will happen, but the door IS open for it to happen.
Could a new movie place Prometheus as a minor side show?
November 15, 2013
After watching 'The Furious Gods' (making of 'Prometheus'), it gives me the impression that a lot was shot, then Fox wanted something else completely (even after Lindelof submitted his first few drafts), which called for re-shoots, removals of scenes and editing and changing the chronology of scenes/events. The only thing I can pick up on that Scott really switched on his own was going from Xeno-like Fifield to Zombie Fifield because he wanted to keep more of the actor (Harris) in the mutation. That scene is one that clearly had the chronology changed because we see differences in the trailers (Shaw reversing vehicle, Weyland coming out with mercs firing guns) versus the theatrical release.
That being said, if 'Prometheus 2' does a fantastic job making 'Prometheus' look brilliant in the areas where it was... not so brilliant :-), then I don't think 'Prometheus' would ever be a minor side show.
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November 15, 2013
[u]Prometheus[u] can't be a stand alone movie. Without at least one sequel, it will be nothing. They not only need the sequel to finish the story they started, to answer the main questions, they need a sequel to explain all the 50 or so vague things in the movie.
November 15, 2013
As much as it pains me to say this, Ridley has actually said it can be a stand alone movie.
November 16, 2013
If the movie stands by itself - ok - will people at the end of the day watch a sequel not knowing if the engineer half the size of the space jockey (and seemingly the same with ship) are indeed in the same universe and if so will it be the story of the engineers (9 feet tall ) or the story of the sj and his people. Are the engineers the space jockeys people ???? As ridley asked who are his people ??
I dunno......
They can go away from the huggers and xenos but then telling me the story of the engineers - is that the story of the SJ ?
At least I want to why we ships o f the same shape but twice the size ???
Nice thread. Thank you.
November 16, 2013
At the moment my feeling is that the sequel will probably address some of the mysteries from Prometheus, but not all of them. It will also, like Prometheus, raise more questions than it answers.
We will be stuck in a never ending cycle of ambiguity which we will never get all the answers to.
Ridley really needs to develop a clear plan of the whole story and FOX need to keep their beaks out and allow creative freedom! That is the only way IMHO that we will get a franchise that we ALL love.
The poster was good though!
November 16, 2013
The movie stands alone more easily than it stands with the Alien franchise, with the exception of Alien itself, and then there is still one glitch, being the Engineers size. But that's only a glitch if we are to understand that they are the same species as what is on LV 426, which is not necessarily a given, and there are in fact clues that suggest otherwise.
I've always felt that part of the problem is that Prometheus renders the beloved Alien franchise a sort of side show, albeit a massive one, kind of " look what happens when one little bit of this matter gets loose..". Prometheus teeters on making the Morb a minor, secondary consideration. The nerve of those guys!
November 16, 2013
@ Oduodo
Ridley stated before making Prometheus that he wanted to give us the story of the big guy in the chair. Has he done that? Imo No. What he has given us are Engineers and a little info about them, but that is not the big guy in the chair. I think that is an avenue that is still open to explore.
@ Necronom 4
I think Ridley started out with a clear plan but somewhere it got hijacked. Hence, back to the drawing board.
@ Major Noob
(Prometheus teeters on making the Morb a minor secondary charater)
This is my major gripe. As much as Prometheus exists within the same Alien universe, this is where the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater.
At some point someone has given Ridley the green light to produce something, and I am really itching to know what it is. I think the issue of the difficulties coming up with the script may partly be down to Prometheus looking like it has written itself into a corner, whereas the truth of the matter may be that there are so many possibilities about which direction it should go in.
The marketing dept of Fox is going to have its work cut out for it, simply because I for one will be looking for the slightest hint of a Xeno in any forthcoming virals.
November 16, 2013
[quote]Given that Ridley was not able to go where he wanted in what he put on screen, I have come to the conclusion that Prometheus ‘developed’ into a stand alone movie, but at what point it became that, who knows?[/quote]
According to Jon Spaihts; changes begin when the FOX changes his mind about the prequel.
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It is only through lots of debating, and looking through all the threads generated I have come to the conclusion, What if Ridley during his final editing decided that it would be better to deliver a film that tries to get away as far as possible from what was first conceived. That way it would be possible to leave the door open on being able to make a movie that goes back to what the original idea was.[/quote]
Would be like an insurance policy or a lifeline for a badass film in the future :p...But anything is possible anyway...They can fire in all directions with the sequel, so in conclusion Prometheus is a stand alone film, because it is not tied to anything.
November 16, 2013
@ Shambs
'Would be like an insurance policy or a lifeline for a badass film in the future'.
Well put. That's exactly what I am driving at :)
November 16, 2013
Or maybe the whole "taking it in a new direction" was all down to the suits at FOX so that they could cash in on a new franchise.
The poster was good though!
November 16, 2013
@ Necronom 4
I bet you are right. “taking it in a new direction†was down to the suits . But as to how much of a new direction did’nt become apparent until later down the line.
I feel Fox got Ridley under false pretences, and what Ridley thought he was going to be able to make was removed from his grasp after he had signed the dotted line and was contractually committed to the project.
November 16, 2013
@Batchpool
I hope so, I hope Ridley is trying to save the really kick ass story from the ambitious hands of FOX XD
@Necro
Yes, the greed!!! and It is very likely that they want more money, and you can not achieve that with a single movie.
November 16, 2013
Batchpool- I'm not so sure. The disconnect for me is I don't see Fox saying: " Right. We aren't happy with this obvious crowd pleaser of a story, rather than finesse it lets change this multimillion dollar blockbuster event into a cartoony surrealist art film that will piss off pretty much all but 12 people in the entire world ( Im one of the 12, for those who don't know).
November 16, 2013
The thing is that Prometheus has left off where we have our intrepid adventurers off to meet a civilisation that are considered gods by their advanced technology. This hidden civilisation will no doubt have an underclass and be interspersed with monsters and some moral dilema’s. Our adventurers will no doubt want to seek a way back home at some point or join the ranks of that civilisation. What we are looking at then is just a re make of Warlords of Atlantis, only on the other side of the universe. Can’t say I would be too enthralled by that prospect, but that kind of film is a crowd pleaser and makes money.
The one thing that imo that would nail the whole story into place, would be some common thread that can connect up an explaination for the derelict on LV426. I don’t think that is too much to ask, along with the odd xeno or facehugger thrown in for good measure.
If Prometheus is supposed to be a prequel, then you can only keep sidestepping the xenos for so long.
November 17, 2013
They have to use the strengths the first movie has, and try to develop a story that is sensible and satisfying. I would like to see everything explained, and if they can't explain a new idea I don't want them to put it in the movie. The characters were meant in a way to be slaughtered by monsters on LV 223, so little effort was made to make them good, but I'd rather see them acting sensibly no matter if they're going to be killed. It takes away from the movie, otherwise, not only in suspension of disbelief, but it can be just painful to watch.
One of the things they have going for them is a sense of suspense and epic grandeur, as Shaw embarks on her quest for answers. So to answer this, they better make the engineers home world a sight to see, and Shaw should get a clear answer even if she only learns it from a hologram playback David activates (assuming no one is left).
There is no point to this, unless they intend to build sci-fi around it.
November 17, 2013
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