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The Telepathic Engineer

Gfan89

MemberOvomorphJanuary 09, 20142808 Views23 Replies

I think that the Engineers may be telepathic.

 

It stands to reason that a more advanced race would have a more sophisticated way of communicating, and its something of a trope in sci-fi for highly evolved humans/aliens to acquire this ability.

 

I'd have to watch the scene again, but it seems like the Engineer is almost concerned for Shaw, as she frantically puts in her questions and buckles in pain, so there's perhaps some empathy that he reserves for Shaw and not the others, which would be somewhat strange if he can not understand her supplications, but not so strange if we assume he has insight into her thoughts and motivations.

 

And discovering David's "inhumanity" may have happened as he turned his mind to him; reading no thoughts, our Engineer realized David's artificial nature, and thus attacked him. Perhaps the Engineer then assumed, out of alarm and perhaps fright, that all of Weyland's cohorts were similarly counterfeit, and dispatched them. Regardless, he could know via telepathy they were supporting Weyland in his selfish quest, and Shaw wasn't, as he sensed her anxiety and pain. Shaw was really the only "good" one out of the lot, and perhaps the Engineer could read that from her thoughts. Thus, she was not attacked in the Juggernaut.

 

Furthermore, the Engineer never really attacks Shaw except in Vicker's escape module, and then it seems as if he's only trying to restrain her (again, I must rewatch).

And then consider the deleted segment of that same scene, where the Engineer seems to mull over the recording of the violinst. When he discovers Shaw, there is a standoff that is interrupted by Shaw as she moves to escape; the Engineer made no move against her. And afterwards, when Shaw attacks the Engineer with the axe, the Engineer could be said to be merely defending himself; showing a great deal of restraint at that, seeing as at one point he raised her up by the neck and didn't rip her head off (which he easily could have, considering the ease with which he beheaded David). And then he presses her head between his hands; perhaps trying to hold her still, to commune with her via Vulcan mindmeld (lol)?

 

If this is all true, it makes that Engineer's fate somewhat tragic.

 

I think this could be why the scene was edited down the way it was, with the removal of the Engineer's dialogue with David and Weyland. It may have been that Ridley had the scene whittled down to allow for this interpretation to be more valid, as he may elaborate on the concept of telepathy in the sequel.

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Great to have you here konfucio! Awesome first post! There's a lot of great ideas to go over in there!

I too feel the Engineer assessed the situation, and decided to eliminate David and Weyland first, viewing them as some sort of threat, or experiment that got out of control.

Diff species might operate in different ways, which could allow a few things to be explored. When Aliens are isolated from the hive they might be more intelligent/have more privacy, not subject to the Queen. So a lone Alien or a Queen is actually far more intelligent than the drones and warriors. We see many things in Aliens that show the Queen thinks about and understands things.  Understood what Ripley's motions with the flamethrower meant for her young, and told the drones/warriors to back off. Ripley torched the eggs anyway, which angered the Queen. It's even emotional.

If Engineers are telepathic things could work in different way. For humans I've toyed around with the ideas of motherly intuition, and pre-cognitive dreams...Humans supposedly knowing when their kids are in trouble....things of that nature, collective unconscious ideas, Weyland would need tech to tap into different levels of the people's dreams, but some people claim they have dreams that sometimes predict the future. Amanda, ripley's daughter, might almost have a feeling in the back of her mind that her mom's still out there in Alien: Isolation. It could be like when humans are isolated they're vulnerable and send out subconscious signals for help. But when Aliens are cut off from the hive they actually reach peak levels of intelligence and aren't subject to instructions from the Queen. The Alien in Alien isolation learns quickly, supposedly remembers things. The same trick won't keep working on it.

I'd say the Alien might have a hivemind, but it's not really as similar to ants as the marines try to make it. And I think their social organization is closer to a certain species of parasitic wasps that turn ants into mindless zombies, and make them hatch theiir young.

It might have comforted the marines to view them as ants, or a simpler form of insects, but only some parts of the alien organism were originally based on insects, and many other horrifying traits were looked at.

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Re-reading my post I want to correct some things I've put there,
I forgot to tell English is not my native tongue. Try to be easy when reading my posts (and sorry for the typos: thelepathy? really?, I was too exited when writing and writed too fast).

When I refer to the oupost as a "military facility" it is not accurate with what I feel the movie shows.

It is more like a paramilitary organization, maybe terrorists, maybe rebels even maybe fundamentalists of whatever they deem fundamental... it goes well with "sometimes to create, one must first destroy" way of doing things.

@HiveMinded

Its awesome how the Xeno creature was designed, but its more awesome the beings that created it or that found it, think of it as something so beautiful to the level of making frescos of them.

I'm rethinking the part of "acid for blood"

If the normal blood of Ripley in Alien resurrection was acidic, corroing metal in the level of Sulphuric Acid (H2SO4), then all the tissues of ripley must have been restructured to a almost biomechanical form... But... we gather the energy to live from diferent chemicals that could not solve and fulfill their functions in this kind of acidic blood. Biologically in addition to the acidic blood, this process, the process of the digestive system and the reserve system (fats) also have to be different, Ripley's diet has to be different (unless the few moments that she were expected to be alive were counted, and was feeded artificially by the scientists somehow). I doubt they "cultivated" her naturally. Her hair and her skin should be different colour maybe no hair at all. Maybe all her internal organs were replaced for the versions of the queen as a result of the mixed DNA. But equally in the other hand... the queen embrio recovered had Ripley's DNA... maybe the emotional part was added to the queen in addition to a reproductive system which we now know emotions are the best protection mothers have to care for their children and goes hand in hand with a utero.

If it is not quantum entanglement (which I know it is not), then the mechanics of telepathy could be measured. Remember it is science fition. With that in mind and knowing basically that the brain emits waves of different lenghts, it would require a large brain (as antenna) and a very specific fenotype (some part of the brain designed to broadcast the waves and the energy it requires) for it to make telepathy usable in large distances of separation between chatters. It makes sense in the xeno as it already has a very large brain almost with a parabollic form. It makes sense too that the Queen always carries the biggest head, maybe she can impose his mind over her minions. It makes sense that ripley was "listen only" in regard to this signals. But it is strange that scientists in a level capable of such a genetic recovery were not aware of this form of telepathic communications and figure out a way to block them or use it to confuse them, that could have been a better behavior inductor than the crio gas that these poor aliens were exposed as an attempt to be domesticated.

Explaing the random events like motherly-intuition, pre-cognitive dreams, psicodelic shared experiences with other humans and other entities, perception of danger to the close family as a result of an early telephatic hability inherited from the sacrificial engineer doesnt sound bad or incongruent at all.

I remember this Fringe chapter where a sperm donor makes experiments with his seed and those of certain bees, and then gives away this sperm to a sperm bank. Years later their sons develop the ability of telepathy, giving form to the events that happened in the chapter.

Well techically if earth was un-inhabitated at the moment of their arrival, then most animal life here is a derivative of the sacrificial engineer DNA... with us being 100% DNA match and other animals being lesser matches but matches in the end. The endless variations that can arise from such an experiment could explain the telepathic abilities present in some bees, ants and us altogether but in a very RAW form, a form that our fenotype isn't yet able to develop.

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Very facinating subject! Hurt my brain to read all the posts.  I'll keep it short and to the point. Lol "Do you even read Big Daves posts", Only 3/4 or so then I use my imagination to fill in the rest. One thing that bothers me is when Dave is in the orrnary room and activates the computers holographic recording of the engineers who are to be put in hibernation, we seen them verbally communicating. So that might be a sign that they're not telepathic.  What is interesting though is they are being recorded before they turn on the console by playing a simple flute...giving the means for David to activate...WHAT? it's already showing him a hologram.  Whats powering the halogram. Perhaps the structure it'self is reading David and the crew.  When David stands in the center of plateform and the star maps are spinning around him I feel it's all too convenient that our solar system comes up and David maybe SELECTS Earth, unaware or decieved of interacting with a technology that is reading him. If the Engineers have telepathy it's through technology.  Going back to the original Xeno, it's a weapon designed to kill, yet it has no eyes. It's bulbus enlongated head reminds me of some whales and dolfins that have the ablitity to zapp they're prey with a sonic crack.  Perhaps the Xeno's emits a signal that creates TERROR and it telepathically picks that up...zoning in on it's prey. 

 

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