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The idea of the urns evolving into eggs is an incredibly interesting one. I had the notion of that when I first watched Prometheus. When the urns started to overflow with the black goo in Prometheus, was that the process starting? Could the black goo inside the urns change any material if left long enough?

One thing we will agree on is, Paradise seems so far away.

Well i never liked the idea the Urns evolve into Eggs, as i thought the idea of these was to store the Goo, and so would have to withstand a lot to safe storage the Goo.  Also as a application point of view dropping Urns from a ship could cause them to open up or break maybe or even if not once they are affected by a enviroment we see the goo seeps out and as Ridley said if this gets into the Water Supply then it will infect a lot of lifeforms.

So that to me kinda says they dont actually turn into Eggs.

But we cant rule that out, as we do see the top of them seeming to bubble and having a reaction, i though this was some kind of wax on the top that melts away when a certain atmospheric conditions change and this made sense and what the top looked like.

But the the Urns when they first arrive have no substance on top like a wax sealant, and the actual props and if we look at the one David gets out of the fridge the Top seems made of the same material as the whole Urn.... so why does the top seem to be melting and reacting as if is becoming organic on some of them?

When the lid is off we seal it opens like a Coffee Jar Lid, well we see the lid takes about at least 25% of the height and the vials that are connected inside that contain the ampoules do not touch the top of the lid they only take up about 60% of the jar in height.

So maybe the lid inside is made of a different material that is meant to react with and melt away to allow the Goo to leak as the Goo does not leak from the point where the Top Screws off.

I am not sure this means these can evolve to Eggs.

But Ridley had said in one of his latter comments on Alien, that the Space Jockey Cargo had evolved and got to him, could this mean that there was not Eggs in the Cargo hold? not at first?

Or does he mean something from the Eggs Evolved, and got to the Space Jockey.

Or even something the shop was carrying Evolved and infected the Space Jockey and then what ever came out of him laid the Eggs or some how was able to evolved the Urns or contents into Eggs.

We also have to consider the fresco which shows a Xeno-esque hands holding a Egg, so maybe the Eggs was around first or a by product of something that comes from the Goo but not the Urns changing...

There still is another idea.... and one that Giger had...

His idea was the ships Cargo Hold simply produced the Eggs, the Walls had like Pregant belly's that laid Eggs.

And if we look how the Urns are aranged in the Juggernaught its different...

So maybe the Urns are loaded into some kind of mechanism on the ships that then are able to produce Eggs from the contents of the Urns, and the result is either then dropped or gets deposited into a different under layer of the ship as Eggs.

If the Goo pruduces Eggs then its the above method i would like the best so that they cant become Eggs on there own, and that the ships have something to do with it.

But we really dont know how the Eggs came to be, and hopefully we would do.

Lindeloff is kind of hinting that the Hammerpedes have a connection.... off course thats not possible as the Derelict had been on LV 426 for thousands of years or more, and Ridley confirmed it had been there around the same time as the outbreak 2000 years ago give or take few hundred years....

So we can rule out the Deacon being the predecessor and this Deacon was Human/Hyrbid and the Mural one looked different.

But while we can rule out the Hammerpedes from Prometheus.....

We know a outbreak occuried 2000 years ago, we can safely assume the Worms was not from Earth, and thus the crew either brought them in from outside on LV 223 or that they was in the temple Complex all ready but just not within the Mural Room... but maybe they was but they never could trigger the Urns.

The Deleted Scene our first Alien shows that potentially these worms are allready in the complex..

Which means they could had been inside for thousands of years, which if there was a outbreak, well we can safely assume that if you got the Worms infected by the Goo to make them Hammerpedes then surely if the Worms was exposed to the Goo thousands of years ago then the outcome would be the same.

Thus Worms + Goo from a previous outbreak could have lead to or evolved into what produces the Eggs.

Say the urns themselves were made with such a material that could be organic. Then we could see a scenario were an urn could change into a developed weapon, an egg. Maybe not the eggs we know but something different.

Like you say, the lid of one of the urns did react in a waxy/organic way. It’s possible that they are designed to trigger the goo when a life form is near. Changing the environment into a nest like area, even changing life around it into something xeno-like.

If it is just a case of urns only hold black goo then I could accept that but if there is more to them then I would be willing to see where it leads.

I think a lot does depend on exactly what connection the Urns and Eggs have in common.

The way i interpreted the movies clues was that the Urns contain broken down DNA of a Xeno or a related Organism,  the reason for this  is i felt these Engineers either came across the Xeno and realised how deadly a Organism it is and while they may have used it as a Bio Weapon, in its current form back then (Eggs) this was a weapon that was very hard to store and transport without a risk of a outbreak/comprimise of the Cargo which the Space Jockey knew only too well.

So i thought that LV223 was then used as a facility to re-weaponize the Xeno.

The events of the start of the movie shows our Engineer consume a substance that breaks down his body/DNA molecule by molecule and the resulting broken down material got into the Water and Evolved basic Life to then take on Engineer DNA and start Evolution and thats why we have Engineer DNA.

The Goo in the movie seems to infect Organisms and pass on traits of the Xeno, so i wondered if they Sacrificed Xenos at that Altar or the Room behind the Mural with the stuff the Sacrificial Bowl contained and the broken down Xeno Material was collected and then syphoned into the Urns and this thus produced a new Bio Weapon that could infect a World with Xeno DNA but would be safet to store and handle than actual Xeno Eggs.

The other way i looked at it if the Engineer that Sacrificed himself did so while standing in a large bath or vat and his broken down materiel then gathered and went down a like plug hole and was collected in Jars.

Should the Engineers then take the contents of them Jars and pour it into a lake then surely we would see the same process that we saw when the Engineers broken down material fell into the lake?

The Alter infront of the Mural originally had the Sacrificial Bowl, the Mural of the Deacon/Xeno was in a Sacrificial pose like Christ, this pose is mainly used to indicate Sacrifice its why  Jesus is depicted as such to show us of his Sacrifice for our Sins.

In Spaights draft the Secrificial Engineer made a Cruciform pose before his body was broken down and fell into the lake.  Also Spaights draft had tiny nano bugs instead of Goo and the way these Bugs worked is exactly the same way as my theory on the Goo.

So as thats how i saw the Goo/Xeno connection this is why the Cargo Hold was smaller and why the Urns was stored differently compared to the Eggs.

But Fox released a file that tried to show us the Goo does not work like that and that it and the stuff at the start of the movie are the same, but this file has many holes in its explanations that are contridicted by what we see on screen.

So how the Eggs came to be is still up in the air and i would want to see how they came to be, and how the Engineers came across them... i dont think we need to see Xeno after Xeno at all. I just want to be shown how the Xeno Eggs came to be and thats all.

Then they can show us a whole maner of other Xeno-Related Organisms related to where the Xeno came from, or what the Goo Leads to.

I'm liking the urns to eggs idea. It's really creepy. And the team entered the chamber with their helmets off, so perhaps it wasn't only the change in atmosphere the triggered the metamorphosis, maybe they sensed the presence of life forms, or more specifically humans.

Remember, the holographic Engineers were fully suited up. Maybe that's why. Also, maybe Holloway and co. removing their helmets was a device to substantiate the link between their proximity to the urns, and the urns bleeding goo. Maybe the murals deteriorating was a bit of misdirection, or maybe more scientific continuity than some give the movie credit for.

I'm inclined to dismiss the tech sheet Fox released on the urns as an attempt to lend some depth to the movie, after it outraged so many fans. Or, it's content will be used in the sequel. We shall see.

Back on topic, every time I google Prometheus 2 (yes I'm obsessed), the top hit is more articles about Weaver joining the cast, the latest one 19 hours ago. Are we certain it's a prank?

Noob, we're all obsessed bro.

The urns evolving into facehugger eggs isn't a bad idea, but, i've recently been thinking alot about the urns and the ampule chamber and something occurred to me;

1) When inside the ampule chamber Holloway say's "It's just another tomb."

2) We use urns as containers for the remains of the dead.

3) The ampule chamber looks like a grave yard (to me anyway.)

Is it possible that in these urns there are the remains of long dead lifeforms waiting to be resurrected?

Maybe they are not weapons as such. Maybe we were not meant to be destroyed, but instead, maybe we were created to be vessels for this lifeform to re-enter the realm of the living?

Well there is a unlimited number of explanations and a lot will all depend on ONE THING.....

Does the Goo on LV 223 and LV 223 outpost, predate the Xeno Egg or Xeno Origins... or does the Xeno Egg or Origins come from LV 223?

Once thats known then we can rule out a few explanations for what the Urns are.

I have the idea that the Goo is not a Bio Weapon.... nope...

The Goo is simply a chemical that breaks down DNA and mixes with the Goo Accelerant to produce a chemical that when it contacts life, it then evolves life by creating a hybrid and passing on the DNA and Traits of what ever Organism was broken down by the Original stuff.

This broken down Organism gets its DNA and Traits passed onto what ever living Organism it comes into contact with, it recodes the Organisms DNA and passes on traits to it (from seeded Organism) and  at same time it evolves and keeps the best traits of the Organism the Goo contacts with only it also evolves these traits.

This is what the Sacrificial Scene seems to show, and it is logical that they wait many years and then futher uses the substance again to futher upgrade and alter the DNA on the World they seed.  They would pick what Organism traits they like that have developed and maybe use these to re-seed and maybe then mix Engineer DNA with this... Bit like a Dog Breeding program.

Remember all Dogs come from at some point a few kinds of Dogs that are related to Wolves.

I think at some point they either came across the Xeno or its ancestor, or they accidently spilled the Goo onto a World and it created from its life allready on that World some Organism that then made some of the Engineers go like... WOW look at this, how interesting and what a perfect Organism.

They then carried out tests on that Organism to create a whole manner of other Organisms.

And i guess once Mankind offended them to many times, a fraction was like ok lets Evolve their DNA with this Organism.

Maybe the Xeno was a intended Weapon created/used or found to use on a rogue fraction  of Engineers, these Engineers may have created us without the consent of their creators and so their creators had a War with them and the Xeno was intended to wipe out our Engineers.

Instead it backfired on the Elders etc, and the Engineers then started to worship and experiment on this Weapon to their own ends...

End of the day there is so so many potential explanations as to how and why.

Hey BigDave:

Time Travel scenarios may cause some people to roll their eye but if they incorperated elements of The Philadelphia Experiment tampering with electromagnetic fields and explored ideas of Black Hole therums and the darker manipulations of those concepts as are known in current urban legends but with an added twist, The same was done with Prometheus with hints of ancient alien theory and Prometheus 2(a.k.a: Paradise) will be going up against the likes of Interstaller and The Black Hole remake but with no doubt an added darker tone to the narrative.