Guy Pearce Wants To Be In 'Prometheus 2'

I was only offering an alternate way to bring back Weyland.  All I meant to say was there are always other options.

Nothing agaisnt flashbacks. I just classifly things in different ways to fit my own theoretical framework. I have to hope for recordings/visions of the past. I'm ok with Flashbacks, if used. Recorded memories from the dream visor tech are what I'm looking for specifically. My potential theories/answers break down if the Weyland scenes aren't related to the dream visor tech. 

It's quite possible to do something with flashbacks & not disrupt the flow of the film. I mentioned Godfather 2. There's defintely ways they could do it. Although, I personally think they'll wait until the end of part 2/beginning of part 3 to really get into that. This one has a lot of ground to cover/make up for.  They can easily fit flashbacks in somehow.

I don't really classify what I'm expecting as flashbacks..These would be memories that David has access to and can watch at will, during whichever parts of the movie he wants.. He can skip to his favortie parts in Weyland's entire collection of memories, David gets access to all Weyland and Shaw's memories after scanning their brains...  Shaw's dream taught him to "choose what to believe", this leads to freewill. How that would work is sort of like Big Dave's posts about David almost becoming infected with Weyland's subroutines..

I do think we need to re-visit the past..The problem is, Shaw/David might need to see the past somehow too.. If only the viewer sees the flashback scenes, then it can't contribute as much to Shaw's personal quest for answers. This movie has things to answer and places to go. Ground to make up and ground to cover. The flashbacks will introduce something new. This will affect the plot in some way. The problem is how.. I'm thinking way too far ahead. The flashbacks need to be connected to another plot thread or they are superfluous... That's my main concern...

I'm also convinced that time doesn't exist the way the conscious mind thinks it does; however, that's best left for another day.

Art is subjective. This is just my take on it.

There's something big that will happen with the dream visor tech. it was introduced to us for a few reasons...

I think it's better to use memories/recordings than flashbacks but I can see now i'm just splitting hairs... I didn't literally mean that we wouldn't see Weyland at earlier stages in his life, I was being a little dramatic. They don't have to be what we normally think of as flashbacks...There's room for innovation. I was actually trying to make both parties happy: those in the thread that don't want flashbacks and those that do. I just think we'll deal with the past more in part 3--not that there can't be visions of the past in P2.

Dear God... Are people allergic to the art of conciseness?

There's a lot more to this movie than meets the eye. I'm working on shortening it.

Conciseness will help.  But you can't reach the simplest solution unless you have all the data. I'm struggling to fit it all into a theoretical framework, instead of bending the data to fit the theory.

Making it shorter/more concise takes away from the actual science behind my speculation.

They all connect back to each other + mysteries/plot-threads.  I'll delete/alter in my spare time. Just trying to restate things from other threads anyway lol.

I just saw the release date is now 2016?

Interesting idea
Of weyland being
Cloned.

Perhaps david
Uploaded his
Consciousness
Into the ships
Computer ala
Transcendance
And could be
Put inside an
Android like
David.

And weyland
End up like the
Android he created

Cerulean: the 2016 release date was never actually confirmed by Fox to be for Prom 2. "Insiders" told some site it was, but they could have been wrong. It is most likely The Martian that will be released on March 4, 2016.

God, why don't Fox issue some clarification about this? They ought to be aware of the confusion in the internet.

As Hiveminded said...

I think there is a lot to explore in this Franchise regarding the Androids, David for me played the biggest part of the movie, he seems to be more idependant than the other Androids in Alien and Aliens.

David is a fascinating character, but what is fascinating about a whole Army of David 8s..?

The Terminator was fascinating, but once futher movies showed us many of them, well they last their sparkle.

What i am saying is while there may be many many David 8 models, and we may see a number on the Sequel i would like to see that our David 8 from Prometheus is unique and what makes him so explored, it would apear he was Weylands own personel David 8 model.

We dont know much about the Weyland Company not from the movie, its the Virals and Sites and TED talk that give us this insight.... 

The sequel will be about David 8 Androids if there are multiple ones i expect the movie to touch up on the defects these have and why Bishop described previous models as twitchy.

There has to be reasons for no David 8s we see in Alien and Aliens, yet if you look at the Weyland Viral Site, the David 8 model is described as being what appears more advanced and independant than the latter Ash and Bishop models.

If they want to show us a bit of History, they could show us these David 8s and make some part of the movie talking about the Evolution of the Android, this could bring us Flash Backs to Guy Pearce interacting with a all manor of David models, from David 1 through to later ones and this allows Guy to be in the movie as a cameo and give some History to the Androids.

But yes David from Prometheus was fascinatied with emotions of others he liked to look in on peoples dreams, he liked to watch movies like Lawrence of Arabia, i think there are many things that make David Unique and when you see how he misled and kind of cared about his own Agenda, we see signs that David is some what independant and this must be some kind of flaw as you do not want a Android to have as much free will and emotion as a Human.

So yes again if Davids Mind is suffering from some kind of glitches i think having a David 8 that has some kind of Mental Disorder and sees and talks to a Weyland who is not there is another way to bring Guy into the movie.

Pretty much like how Norman Bates from Psycho and his Mother.... we could see this with David 8 and Weyland.

I would say and suspect that a Megolamanic like Weyland probably had a clone or two up his sleeve, ready to pick up where the original left off. Its a possibily. Either that or a reletive or a secret Son of whom Vickers is unaware...

On one hand i dont think that having a Clone would be ideal because well, Why did Weyland want to live for ever why did he want to meet the Gods... if via Clone he can live forever anyway.

Off course a Clone does not mean you live for ever, only if you can transfer you thoughts, your dreams and your memories into the Clones brain.

But on the other hand if you was cloned and that clone would then have all your memories etc, as you are old and not long to live i guess even though you know your memories would live on in the new Clone a part of you would be afraid of death as your actual individual self would have worries that its life would come to a end.

As far as Vickers and how and who take over Weyland Yutani, thats one question that needed a answer.

In the draft i was working on for Paradise that i stop work on, i actually had a board meeting on Mars where there was a board discussing stuff and they had a video link to Weylands Brother, Micheal who was now going to take over the company and they was making all kinds of plans... we only hear Micheals voice that sounds familar.

We then see somewhere on Mars someone opens up a Breifcase with a Video Display on it so like a Laptop built in well you know like the one from Total Recal.   We then see the hands of the person who opens this and they activate the video and it is a Video Will from Weyland that leaves everything to his Daughter Mrs Vickers..... but she is dead... this is why Micheal is now in charge.

We then see someone come into the board meeting a Female... only its not Vickers and she hands over a file to the board, this file is the Will from Peter Weyland, and we then see via Video Stream Micheal Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen)  say the Will is void as Miss Vickers had gone on the Mission because he got the board to persaude her to protect the investment (hers).

So then the Lawyer claims as its been over so many months no contact with Prometheus, that now Micheal is the rightful Heir....

We then here a voice saying "you was always so presumptuous Uncle"

We then see a shot and it is Vickers, she was the one in scene before opening the Breifcase  but we only saw a females hands, which then we later saw or are shown its a Female who is Lawyer for Weyland.

Micheals VDU Hollogram sits on the CEO Chair, and Vickers walks over cuts off the Hollogram and says "i think ill have my seat back thank you"

Anyway this plot makes you think, wow Vickers on LV 223 is a Clone.... clever...

But only latter in my draft, that Micheal makes a pact with Yutani and that if they Assassinate Vickers, then Micheal would take over and the company would be left to his Hiers (Son).. and Micheal cant risky getting caught so cant have his hands on it, so thats why Yutani wanted to do it.

As Yutani are involved mainly with Military and Androids for Military, and Micheal Weyland planned to sell up some of the company and make a Merger but with Vickers as CEO that puts a stop to them plans..

Anyway what happens is we see Yutani Androids, Dressed a Geisha attack Vickers on only these Androids dont quite look like David they have a kind of Data from Star Trek Look.

Too our suprise Vickers fights off these Robots and she pulls the ones arm off and hits the other over the head, she then throws the other like a Rag Doll, after they had also hit Vickers but she seemed to take the damage...

After Vickers Dispatches of the Androids of Yutani we see she is bleeding... only its like Milk....  Vickers is a Android...

Then a Middle Aged Man, catches this on Camera, as Vickers gets to her feet, this Man then calls Micheal and says Father i have proof Vickers is a Android.... Micheal is like Excelent, a None Human can not inherit my brothers Company.

We then see Vickers gets stormed by Military types who shoot her to bits.... not Murder as she is not Human.

Maybe if they did a draft like mine, they could have had Weylands Nephew plaid by Guy Pearce, they could change Hair Colour and Eyes, and add some prospectic like Change his Nose, but then you would see a Family Resemblance.

A clone is physically identical - but the personality, say, the soul, cannot be cloned.

Weyland having a clone of himself would not be at odds with his journey in Prometheus.

Well as this is a Sci Fi movie i guess a lot depends on how the Human Body works, there are those who believe that our personality is simply our Soul that passes onto the next stage in after life, then we have those who do not believe in after life, there is no soul there is nothing when we die.

And that it is our brain that holds our memories, our personality etc....

Many movies have tried to go the route that you can Clone a Human and then transfer the Data stored in the Brain to the new Clone, The 6th Day touches upon this and so if this was possible to transfer ones data to another brain then in theory that person can live for ever, just case of transfer data from brain of a damaged body to a fresh one.

We dont know how Prometheus is going as far as those questions, of where do we go when we die, and i am not sure they would be going the route of we go to a Afterlife.

As far as if a Clone would not be at odds with itself in a Journey if that means Weylands after death, then the Clone of Weyland would not be bothered about anything that happens to other Weyland be that he does go to a Afterlife or just ceases to exist, as that Clone is now full of life....

But that Clone can not have a soul, and in cloning someone and then transfering the Brain Data to this clone, would that also point that the Orginal has no Soul either... its a very tough subject to touch up on.

My point was that if Say you cloned yourself or had Clone on stand by and there was some kind of Device that can capture and store all your memories and personality, to then be transfered into a new Clone...

If you used that device today right now then only your memories etc upto that point would be transfered to the new Clone, if you had a futher 6 months worth of experiences that you did not back up after that date.  The Clone when needed would not have any memory of those extra 6 months.

So the only way a Weyland Clone could work and be upto date with Weylands Soul so to speak would be if such a device captured his Data every few days, but then with Prometheus destroyed is this data lost? would they have to use a back up from before the mission set off 2 years earlier?

And thus as Weyland could know he would live on forever in a Clone, he woudl still have fear of the After Life and whats next...

The perfect example would be the 6th day, the Clone of Adam Gibson was no different to the real Adam Gibson, he actually thought he was Adam Gibson.  Once he found out he was a Clone, i would assume he would be as fearful of death as the orginal Adam Gibson would be... even though he would know that the company could reclone him and just transfer his Data over again.

That Clone actually became individual, it would not be as easy for him to say, oh their is two of me, well if i kill myself i live on within my clone/orginal me.

Its a very tricky situation that if was real it would be hard to see how a Clone would react because a clone who is actually fully Human with Human Emotions would not accept they was just a clone and have no worth... Blade Runner touches upon this perfectly.

going back to the OT..

Yes a clone of Weyland could be way to bring him back, however i think if we went that route it opens up a can of worms in that who else is a clone...?

They could bring back Vickers, they could bring back Ripley and say hey... Ripley in Alien was just a clone of a older Ripley etc...

If Guy Pearce is to get some role i would still say it has to be in flash back scenes, or better still part of Davids Memories as Flash Back... David did use that visor to view Weylands Dreams and even able to talk to him while he was in his Sleep State, a Scene of this was even in the draft but not shot.

so i would assume David would be able to remember every detail of every dream he tapped into of Weylands and even maybe if David has some kind of malfucntion he could end up having a younger Weyland in his head telling him to do stuff etc.

Thinking out aload.... A clone which has been grown in stasis and which has been fed information on Weyland's life day by day since the clone was created via digital links directly to the brain, ala The Matrix.  Once Weyland dies, a middle aged Weyland clone is awoken and for all he knows he is the real re-incarnated Weyland, young and vital, with all of Weylands huge intellect in tact..... He would also have full knowledge of the goings on right upto his Death on LV423. If David was able to "watch" Shaws dreams in stasis, this could be plausible as the technolgy is roughly the same.

Yes thats kind of similar to what i said, if they had some way to transfer memories and that alternative Brego could also work in that information is passed each day and hey maybe the Clone is asleep but thinks they are living?

Anyway same problem with this would be the same as doing a method like in the 6th Day. And that would be the Clones memory and experiences would only be as upto date as the last update.

So as you sugested we have to wonder how is any information that Weyland on Prometheus able to send the data of his memories back to teh Facility where the Clone is and what point was the last transmision, surely he would not have information from the moment they went down to Wake up the Engineer?

This is a idea I have for a prologue to Prometheus: Paradise.

Elizabeth and David continue to the Engineers homeworld, only to find a dead planet with signs of a massive war...they are about to leave...when David's planet scans(he is still learning to use the alien scanner)finds a vast underground cave with millions of aliens(engineers)in cryo sleep.... and the life signs of 3 humans(also in cryo)! Elizabeth and David enter in the vast alien tomb to find the sleeping bodies of Peter Weyland(early 40's about what Guy Pearce is now), David Antilles(the human version of David..dual role Fassbender..he'll love the challenge) and a unknown female...........
Intriguing or boring?

And yes, I know how they got there.

I think Peter Weyland deserves to have his day in the alien sun.

Oh and a genetically modified Weyland is an absolute bad ass, eats xenos for breakfast(Guy Pearce would kill to have this role). ...and he is the real Weyland on Paradise, not a clone.