New interview with Ridley Scott

Nobody's kicking anybody's opinion.

What's worth kicking is made-up facts used to fallaciously corroborate one's opinion.

I did say that there are other movies that also have flaws its so hard to find movies that are so close to perfection it really is especially when we are talking sequels to classic movies.  Star Wars is a fantastic movie and Alien is purely a masterpiece yet does have some scale problems that are replicated but Ridley is prone to odd mistakes he goes to such depths to give us a truely great movie visually that indeed something’s get over looked.

As far as butchered goes, maybe thats a overstatement and maybe again Ridley is not to blame....

There simply was a lot to the movie that if included would helped with some of the Ambiguity and contradictions and well parts of the movie that never well flowed correct.

After i saw Prometheus first and 2nd time the movie to me seemed as though someone got a movie REEL that fell open and got damaged and they had to like cut bad parts out and rearrange and edit the movie and glue it together in a way that i kind of noticed as if parts was cut and rearranged in different order.

I feel there was a cut of this movie that went on to show us a lot more depth and that made more sense, but some things was edited and cut and changed in a way to change direction that they  originally had and that the cut we had simply accounts for a lot of the things that dont add up...

Still Prometheus is a movie i have watched more times than many, and i applaud how they have not gone for a direct prequel, but i think there is stuff that they cut out and tried to explain off screen that do not add up to what we see on screen....

Spaights draft while a more Alieny movie did have a more coherent nature...

I will explain what i mean by cuts next...

1) Sacrificial Scene.... they cut out the Elders Scene, seems the reason was Ridley did not want to show us God in the first movie and did not want to give to much away about the Engineers Culture and keep them a Enigma.... fair enough.... sounds good point if thats what we will explore more in the sequel but i fear they will movie away from the Engineer and Human creation connection... it will remain as the Space Jockey and Xeno one was after Alien.

But the Sacrificial Scene had a extended one, not only the deleted scene as that was not the FULL scene at all, the full scene appears to show us a close up of 3 Engineers, 2 being Elders and also their is Dialog between the one Elder and the Sacrificial Engineer in which the Sacrificial Engineer talked too.

This scene i felt would have added more depth behind the Engineers and their Agenda and how the Sacrifice was for a greater good.....

2) There are a number of other cuts and rearrangement of scenes, that also include the timeframe from when Shaw had her C-Section to seeing Weyland for the first time, and Fifield attacks scene......

There was a alternative one which the Trailers again seemed to indicate towards, one where Fifield had attacked after Shaw and Weyland made their way to the landing bay, Weyland was in the Hanger while Fifield was attacking and Shaw was the one who was in the Rover and who ran over Fifield....

If we take those latter Scenes that was cut and logically add them how they would have fitted, then the flow of the movie was more smoother..

3) There was again a re-shoot of the Last Battle Scene, where we got a Engineer in a somewhat seemed very rushed scene, Shaw was informed the Engineer is on his way and then we see him rush into the door and ran at Shaw and she then slammed on the button to release the Trillobite..

Our Engineer had nice Burn on his Face.....  we off course could make out he had this from the crash, and as the crew of Prometheus caused the Crash the Engineer was in a foul mood and well just wanted to kill Shaw....

In reality they had a change of plan to the Original Fight Scene, if you watch the movie from when Shaw gets on the Lifeboat every single moment to when the Engineer attacks, there seems a flow problem...

If you watch the full Scene from when Shaw gets the medical supplies and Axe, in the full scene it flowed better...

The full scene is not even the full scene, we did see the Engineer walk into the Lifeboat and he was in awe at the sight of the Violin Girl he was intrigued as he was when he saw Shaw for the first time during the Engineer speaks Scene (more on that after)...

The Engineer seemed more interested again with Shaw even after he found her, he was very intrigued....

Ridley felt the scene made the Engineer look weak, but come on Shaw hacked him with a Axe, is Ridley trying to fool us the Engineer is bulletproof? I know Ridley felt the Xeno after Alien was portrayed as not as tough... as Alien one..

If a few hacks of a Axe should not have hurt the Engineer then how come the Deacon bust out of him like cutting a knife through a Orange?

For whatever reason they cut the Scene they also then had to cut others... you see the redone scene showed the Engineer with the Face Burn... That he got from the crash!!!

Yet he never... as there are shots of him getting out of the Juggernaughts seat and setting off and running across LV 223 surface to the Lifeboat... in these scenes he was wearing NO MASK and had NO BURN.... by going for the re-shoot scene with a Burn they had to then cut the scene of him running outside....

This scene showed and answered the question, how did and could the Engineer Survive outside with no Mask, which in turn answered the Engineers may not have needed a Breathable Atmosphere inside the Temple and Ship, which then posed why was it Tera-Formed so that Humans can survive...  Showing the Engineer could breath outside shows and gives clues to what the purpose of the Space Jockey Suits are and why maybe the place could support Human Life with no Helmets..

Where the omission of the Engineer Scene with no Mask, would left us at the time thinking that the place supported a breathable environment because the Engineers needed it.

Anyway by going for the re-shoot scene they also had to remove the Engineer finding and picking up a Book in Vickers Quarters in which again he was intrigued with as if he could not believe how advanced our kind had become... again this Scene added a lot of depth and culture to the Engineers.

Than just mindless Human Hatting Thugs....

Also the Trillobite Scene, we see the Burn disappear and reappear, this shows the Engineer may not had even had it as soon as the Door opened, when you hear the door open you hear like a burn sound, as if the Trillobite when it grabbed the Engineer may had caused it.. 

But if you study the scene frame by frame the opening of the door when the Trillobite grabbed the Engineer could had been a re-shoot.... as his burn disappears....

To me this shows the Engineer may had suffered the Burn during the Fight, and if the Engineer somehow managed to wound the Trillobite then if it has the same Xeno Traits as the Hammerpedes, maybe Acid Blood could have burnt the Engineer... thats what i think the full scene would have shown....

Im getting tired now so cant think of as many other cuts, etc.. will try few more points.

3) There are a number of visual changes that would have given clues, one being the Green Orb, in the Trailers there was the Sacrificial Bowl instead, placed on what looked like a Altar, and infont of the Mural showing a Xeno-Type Organism in a Sacrificial Pose.

You would have to see my interpretation of the Cruciform and Goo and connection to Spaights goo and Cruciform pose by Sacrificial Engineer to see my theory on that the stuff in the Urns is the result of the same process the Sacrificial Engineer had done to him but done on some Xeno-Type Organism to make the stuff in the Urns.

This makes sense as far as how we see the Good perform, and if we had been shown the Sacrificial Bowl on the Altar it would had been a clue that fitted into that puzzle but instead they replaced it with a piece that would never fit...

This happens at other points in the movie.....

Its as if they had a idea, and then they change their minds after shooting the first ideas, and so they cut and edit the movie to try and fit in with whatever new path they are wishing to take us, but in doing so leaving us with a puzzle that has lost pieces replaced by pieces that dont even fit..

4) while i remember... the Engineer Speaks Scene.... the movie showed us our Engineer woke up and got mad and went postal....

The full Scene shows that he was surprised and intrigued by seeing us, which the full and unseen footage of the Engineer on the Lifeboat also backed up... Our Engineer only seemed to get real made when David Translated what Weyland wanted him to say, and then we cant be sure if that deleted scene was full either, maybe after Weyland talked to the Engineer about how his people made David, in their image and that as Weyland Created life then as a God he should not have to die..

Did the Engineer understand him? Or did David latter Translate? Who knows.

But seemed the Engineer changed in his attitude after he realised how selfish Weyland acted, such as ordering Shaw to be silenced then only having his Agenda and Demands answered by the Engineer. And this was that Weyland wanted more life, and saw himself as a creator himself.

The Engineer then realised mankind had created life in their own image, they was still a selfish and hostile race, and that indeed the plan to wipe us out years ago should have gone ahead, that his brothers plans was indeed for the greater good.

As Mankind would grown to be rebellious, and have a God Complex and seek to be as Gods ourselves and now the Engineer realises mankind is still that way and now we know how to get to their outpost, we cannot be allowed to get our hands on the secrets of the Engineers and the Bio Weapons and Ships the Engineers have.

If we look at the full including not shown even on deleted scenes, shots and scenes that we never saw, plus the deleted scenes they show a different nature to our Engineers, and it could hint at the Last Engineer having something to do with the outbreak that prevented us from being destroyed.

But after he witnessed how we had turned out, he realised his brothers where correct and mankind is beyond hope and cannot be allowed to travel the Galaxy let alone get their hands on the Engineers Secrets..

So yes there was SCENES SHOT that answered a lot of the questions posed..... and by removing them and replacing some with edited scenes and shots i.e Green Orb Replacing the Sacrificial Bowl. We end up with a cut of the movie that makes less sense than a potential Cut that is out there if they decided to use some of the deleted and never shown stuff and translated Engineer Speaking Scenes.

So yes i think that they had taken a potentially better movie and well cut it to bits and replaced the parts in a way that was far less of the movie that could have been...

As far as Prometheus 2 and the comments i think Ridley is trying to take the movie where he wants to go, as he said you cant leave where David and Shaw go, you have to follow.

Maybe because he feels that LV 223 and Deacon etc all leave clues to the Xeno and connection to LV 426, they do and did more so in some of the original scenes and concept work.

While the Deacon and Mural and how the Urns and Juggernaught and Engineers have connection with the Eggs, the Derelict and Space Jockey, while there are connections, its a little vague.

some wanted a more Spoon Fed Connection, Ridley and maybe Fox wanted to tone it down, and concentrate on other ideas....  Ridley said Prometheus was to be more about where do we come from, what is our purpose and where do we go when we die, as opposed to showing who the Space Jockey is and why he had Eggs on his ship.

While thats a good point and Ridley says Prometheus has endings that lead to two different things one leads to Alien the other is something new they want to explore..

This adds more confusion as some fans think ok so does the events of LV 223 and the Deacon lead to the Alien..... so the Deacon is what leads to the Derelict etc.. nope it does not, Ridley should have been clearer and he has off film, in that the Derelict had been there for thousands of years.

What he was pointing is that this LV 223 place and what they was doing on there had led to the event on LV 426 or that LV 426 had led to experiments on LV 223 that led to the fall of LV 223..

Thus in the movie LV 223 has a connection to the Xeno, but they are leaving it vague..

This still leaves us LV 223 and the Deacon, and while they are correct you have to go where Shaw and David are off too, but then they cant leave the Deacon and LV 223 unexplored..

Because well surely by time of Alien and Aliens etc etc ect, the company is in pursuit of the Xeno, yet there is a moon not far from LV 426 that has Bio Weapons, and Engineer Technology, how can the company bypass that unless its all destroyed by the time of Alien?

But yes Ridley was right in that its time to explore something new, and not redo the Xeno and Alien......

But then David is bringing Hell with him which means Cargo of some kind that has to be related to the experiments on LV 233, but who is to say other temples he must have taken the Juggernaught from have Xeno DNA in its Cargo...

Ridley has in his latter interview said the new monster will be a fresher Alien, a modern take on the Original that will be close to the 1979 one but unlike the others after including the Deacon...

Well if one movie leads to Alien and the other something new (Paradise) a Cargo of Goo that produces something close to the Giger Alien Original is actually going back to a Alien is it not?

I can see what Ridleys point was about...

When they started to produce Prometheus he sugested the reason was the Space Jockey, and that no one after Alien had addressed the Space Jockey... Who was he? Why was he on that ship? and why that Cargo?

These was the basis for the movie and he also said the first drafts was a little bit to Alieny and more of a direct prequel when Ridley wanted to explore the Engineers more and Spaights draft had a fair share of Xeno-esque Organisms that kind of took the shine out of the Engineers.

So they went for a movie that was more about them.. the Engineers... great concept and plot...

I think a lot of fans was expecting that the movie would cover such things as to why the Space Jockey Race had the Xeno, and where the Xeno came from etc... some was even hopping for a movie that would show us a scene of the Space Jockey and what happened to him prior to landing on LV 426.

Ridley gave us a movie that gave us a few clues to the connection, we was left for sure knowing that the experiments they was carrying out on LV 223 certainly had some connection to the Xeno, and that the ships the Juggernaughts was connected to the Derelict and performed the same task and that was carriers of Bio Weapons.

But that was it, the movie left suptile clues, the Mural, the Frescos, the Chest Busted Engineer Cryo Sleep Pods and the genetic Xeno traits we saw in the movie, that concluded with Shaws Baby and the Engineer being Face Hugged by it to produce the Deacon at the end.

for Ridley that was the biggest connection to Alien, some fans mistook this has maybe waht leads to Alien, but Ridley was showin us this... Look these Engineers having been creating and experimenting on some horrific things and we see some outcome of these things with the Deacon at the end, and that some other experiments these Engineers carried out either led to or came from the Xeno.

But it was never spoon fed, and this had disapointed some fans....

Ridleys comments is well he dont care if those fans was disapointed that they never got a more Spelled out Spoon Fed Xeno connection..

And he wishes to go and branch the Franchise off steering away from Alien, the Xeno etc and concentrate on where these Engineers come from, and that they are not Gods, and who ever created the Engineers is also not God....

This seems to hint he has no interest in giving the fans a movie with Xenos or how the Xeno came to be, and maybe he wont even go and show us what becomes of LV 223 and the Deacon after 2094.. which leads to plenty of issues unless HE IS REBOOTING THE FRANCHISE?

So he also basically said he will not change his plans and give in and make a movie that gives what some fans wanted, and that he wants to go the route that he wanted.

Fingers crossed we see some more culture with the Engineers, even if its Flash Back scenes like the Sacrificial one.... I do fear that the reasons and any clues as to why the Engineers visited us and well how Ancient Mankind managed to draw them Star Maps may indeed be left also unanswered...

What seemed like a plot about how our Engineers are a Giant Race of Genetic Engineers who go around seeding and upgrading life on a variety of Worlds. And how they are who Ancient Mankind saw as Gods.... 

This now seems to be pushed back in favour of just a bunch of Mallicious Space Scientists who go around creating life and then destroying it for some Agenda, that hopefully we will get to understand....

I do feel and hope that Ridley can give us a few clues that can tie in the dots to Alien Xeno and by that just has to be more clues and we dont have to be shown Xenos at all.....  Shaw could ask David about the Engineers and the Temple and what he found out about them and their Agenda... David can make a few comments that would give us the clues.

i.e that LV 223 was used to create a number of Organisms that they would use as Bio Weapons of some sort, or that they had come across and experimented upon a Organism to create a host of Organisms or a Bio Weapon from them.

Or even if Shaw asks a Engineer one of them will vaguely answer that....

I doubt we would though as the movie was on purpose to allow us to try and guess from the clues what is going on, and thus many including myself have tried to fill in the gaps and i have narrowed it down, but this is just my interpretation and i could be SPOT ON.. VERY CLOSE... OR COMPLETELY OFF THE MARK..

Likewise many of us could be and the thing is we would never ever know how close our guesses are... which is why i feel a little few more vague clues could SHUT THE DOOR on the Xeno and Alien...

Because wether Ridley likes it or not, he will be asked over and over about when we will see the connection between the Engineers/LV 223 and Space Jockey and LV 426 and certainly how the Xeno fits in with that and the Goo....

If Ridley does not answer that even vaguely then the door is open for FOX to exploit and do a movie in the future when Ridley is long gone or too old, and this could be a Xeno Orgins movie that would go against any ideas Ridley had.

Ridley lost the way the Xeno evolved from after Alien etc, if it did so in a way that he would not have covered in a sequel.....

He has done his best to make sure no one can do the same with the Space Jockey and this is what he has been trying to cover in his way and by Space Jockey not the one on LV 426 as some fans wanted but who these Space Jockey Race is and their whole place in the Universe....

But all the Alien movies has never answered where the Xeno came from before those Eggs on the Derelict and this in even a suptile way is something Ridley can have full creative influence over...

I see the Guardian newspaper is saying that there is gonna be a few David androids. 

Maybe when they send a new team, it is an expendable group of David's. 

Regarding my MESS comments...

Maybe thats a bit OTT but also i am not refering to the movie in general, i was saying that there is footage shot and alternatives scenes prior to editing i,e Green Orb, that would have led to a cut of the movie that would for those who try and look deep enough, give clues to patch the movie together and these scenes would have answered or given clues to a fair number of things including..

ENGINEER CULTURE.... i.e not to be portrayed as simply a Race who dont care for mankind and simply just dable in experiments replacing previous creation with their new ones for no reasons.

SACRIFICAL BOWL... instead of Green Orn, on the Alter in front of Mural of a Xeno-esque Organism in a Sacrifical pose that lead us down to this Organism being Sacrificed like the opening Scene to produce whats in the Urns and Hense the Xeno DNA in them.

ENGINEER LEAVING CRASHED SHIP... this shows the Engineers can survive on LV 223 without the need or a Attmosphere that we Humans and Life on Earth needs, which would then tie in w ith LV 223 Tera-forming and other clues to the purpose of the outpost.

ENGINEER BURN.... that disapears during the fight, could hint to a possible Acid Burn off the Trillobite and thus another DNA link to the Xeno....

There are many more, that would have allowed us more clues to peice together the Jigsaw.

But for a few scenes there was a reason for them being cut, and by cutting some scenes, others had to go as they would have contridicted the other scene.... the Engineer vs Shaw Scene of him running at her with Burnt Face, would meant all scenes after the crash and to that point would also had to been removed.. as they showed no Burn.

As to the Multiple Davids, yes this has been heard  of before their seems to be a few common themes comming from Part 2, however more than one David would logically sugest that they could show us scenes from Weyland Industries, maybe Flash Back memories of David?  Otherwise what other purpose apart from a mission to go back to LV 223, which is something i dont think they would want to explore.

The other alternative is if David can clone himself somehow with something he finds on Paradise!

Where we are going as far as Part 2 goes who knows, Ridleys last comments seems to show us that he basically wants to go where he chooses to take the movie, either that or the direction Fox wants to go is one that Ridley is vastly in favour of.

Ridley is very proud of his work, somewhat argogant but in life its Arogance and Self Confidence that leads to sucsess quite often.... and you also have to not take what others say too badly so as to mold you to something you are not.

Thats what Ridley is saying, he wishes to explore the Franchise in a different way and he and Fox came to a agrement on what they would do with Prometheus and if it was not a Engineers with Eggs and Face Hugers Fest some wanted he dont really care...

He and Fox felt they should go someplace else than concentrate on the Xeno connection, and they led us down this path of our Engineers being a Ancient Majestic Race of Genetic Engineers who created Mankind and all life maybe on Earth and elsewhere in the Galaxy, this Race has a purpose a culture and the Xeno was somewhat a small part of their History.

My main gripe is so many delted scenes showed that culture etc and purpose, and i understand they never wanted to give to much away and never wanted to meet God and thats why scenes was cut.

My worry now is our Engineers are simply now going to be portrayed as a creation by some other higher race or being, and that the Engineers are simply Servents and Tools for the greater Agenda of who ever is Top of the Hierarchy..

But it also seems in doing so they are distancing the explanation to how Mankind got the Star Maps and Ancient Astronaught theory...... this is the Gods and Crap he means.

Instead the Engineers are simply just like the Terminators was for a purpose by SKYNET, are Engineers could be just likewise and hense Ridley and Fox cut scenes that could have portrayed them as having some individuality and culture and are now simply Goons who have no care or love of Mankind but are following the Commands of a Higher Power.

BigDave, the other cut scenes that jump to mind immediately are where they find the worm for the first time and Milburn, being a biologist, is so excited and sees it as harmless, which explains in part why he acted like he did with the Hammerpede (larger worm in his mind) and where Janek both "consoles" Vickers after she killed Holloway and explains how he was in a similar situation regarding an outbreak at a complex, which shows how these 2 characters become a little more "close" and a possible reason leading to them having sex while showing that he knows what happened (to a degree) on LV-223 regarding the Engineers.

All scenes which director Ridley Scott, together with his long-time editor Pietro Scalia, exercising their artistic judgment, thought unnecessary to the film. For whatever reason. It's their prerrogative to excise them. They are the filmmakers, not the self-entitled orphans of the 1979 film. The fact that those scenes ended up in the Blu-ray was nothing more than a favor to buyers. Just like countless other home video releases featuring lods of unused footage. Absolutely normal.

During the amazingly long behind-the-scenes documentary, they can both be seen working together in the editing room.

It aggravates me that some people think their mere existence is somehow evidence of abusive "studio interference", artistic "messiness or random "butchering". And even worse is the fact that someone else might actually believe such hysterical conjectures.

I like 'Prometheus' as is.  However, from a personal standpoint, I can see a few more scenes being put in that would lend some support.  Again, just my personal thought.

I have no idea what it is: "studio interference", "artistic messiness", "butchering", "listening to preview audiences", etc.  But I wonder why it seems like Ridley Scott is the director with the most "drama" with theatrical vs. director's cuts.  In some cases, he revisits work many years later to re-edit.  And in many cases, he gets better response from his director's cut.

'Alien' - he went back and forth on this a little, but finally decided his theatrical cut was best

'Blade Runner' - we know the saga with this one

'Legend' - put Jerry Goldsmith's original score back in

'Kingdom of Heaven' - greatly improved character development and story support

'Robin Hood' - deeper characters and sub-plots, change of rhythm for the better

'Exodus: Gods and Kings' - sure sounds like there will be a director's cut (and may be a need for one based on reviews)

I like Ridley Scott's work.  I tend to like his director's cuts better (and many would agree).  I just don't see 'Prometheus' as any different or off limits to him re-editing it at some point, no matter how definitively he says the theatrical cut IS the director's cut.  History says a director's cut, overseen by Scott himself, at some point is not unlikely.  Although he could be more stubborn as he ages. :-)

Yer I would say hes done some great directors cuts and maybe Promethues would be slightly more coherent with the deleted scenes but it would only patch up a few of so many problems with it...not a major difference there. And no I think it was mainly Ridley and Lindelof's film with a possibly a tiny amount of studio interference or maybe it was more we just cant know for sure they do hide these things well...Ridley did say "they pay the bills" through a false joke smile at one point and made some hints the studio had some hand in doing things he didn’t like but again nothing came out that I saw. Who ever did the viral campaign for sure was not with it so many problems there still are parts unfinished now (even with some really good individual parts like the David happy birthday stuff)! Not sure if that was from the studio or not...

Just finished watching Scotts latest film (moses) and yes it was a bit bland not quiet as bad as I expected given the reviews. but had no real spark of genius I was hoping for. Was really like Gladiator but no were near as good even had a line from it :O ! I wonder if some of the critics hated him after that interview :O . I think its done OK in the money department as well possibly anyway...you would think it would. But yes another film not really that good makes me sad :( I think his last truly great film was matchstick men from Ridley if memory serves me well - gah!

@ Cremildo

I dont think you get my point or maybe dont want to try to see my point.

I agree that we do not know for sure what goes on behind the scenes but we have to think it would be a co-operation between Ridley and Fox, Ridley does have a Ego and i dont care if his fans think that he can do no wrong, what i mean by a Ego, is he is very proud of his work and comes across as someone who takes no BS.

Basically that means he makes and cuts the movie that he likes, which i think he would lean to suggestions of Fox but there is no way this kind of person who has a very Strong head and Opinion and is Stubborn would stand by and allow Fox to basically make him make changes that he did not agree with..

Ridley is kind of person who would rather stick his fingers up and say well, thats not my vision and so im off thank you very much.

This is me agreeing that a lot of Editing and Changes must have for the most part either been the way Ridley wanted to change things, or that he was in total agreement to what was discussed and changed during Editing.

He did say before the movies release that the Theatrical Cut is his Directors Cut....

My point is not to disagree with the process....

Just for me with this movie the scenes that was cut did add up to give more clues to what is going on and would have left us less scratching our heads trying to make sense of things...

We dont know the reasons for every scene being cut... Ridley did feel that some of them was edited as it effected pace of the movie and they had little to do with the plot.. these scenes could include...

The extended Janek and Christmas Tree Scene and Shaw talking to the crew about the purpose of the mission, which she already discussed at the briefing...

The Our First Alien, and maybe the finding of the skin from when the Hammerpedes must have grown etc.

And maybe for all we know the re shoot Fifeld attacks with Harris in well Toxic Avenger make up, was a scene where Weyland was not shot in the scene, but if feel he would have been as the CGI Fifield would have been like a overlap over the scene shot using Harris.

Maybe this scene and scenes before it inc Shaw Med-Pod Scene and after he wanted to cut and edit together in a way to cut some parts out that he felt added nothing to the story and so help with pacing.

The Alternative Shaw and David when she collects his head, maybe shows there is little chance of trust between her and David, and so the one we got kind of leads more to Shaw forgiving David a bit as after all he was following Weylands orders and now Weyland is gone he is free..  The other scene also portrayed Shaw as being changed by the events and becoming a bit more well harder and tougher and maybe also like the Engineer Fight scene, where Shaw was shown more to be taking no crap and giving as good as she got, maybe both those scenes portrayed Shaw as more of a hardened female role like Ripley and then they decided you know what we don’t want another Ripley Character.

These are all very well...

Then we have cuts made because he was not happy with certain things or never wanted to give too much away.... this could well had been the Elder Engineers, as Ridley did not want to meet God in the first movie, so he either wanted to keep the Elders for the sequel, or who ever created the Engineers.

Maybe this means he has change of plans for whoever is above the Engineers and may either want to redesign the Elders or replace them, if this is the case or simply he did not want to reveal the Elders at this time, then that makes good reason to remove them from the Sacrificial Scene..

Other Scenes had to be cut to avoid conflict with other scenes, Ridley did feel the Last Battle Scene, kind of was detrimental to the Engineer in how Shaw seemed to put up a bit too much of a fight and he felt the scene diminished the Engineer.

They did another shoot, only this time to save time they must have felt they should reshoot the scene with burns on the Engineer as well if they had decided to redo the scene after that make up from the Battle with the Trillobite was shot, it would take too long to remove all of that..

Maybe they then felt they could re-shoot the scene with a more angry Engineer and Face Burnt and pass that off as he got it in the Crash..

Or maybe it was not a case of saving time with Make Up, but maybe Ridley felt he wanted to re-shoot the scene with the Engineer burnt regardless.

But in doing so, there was no way they could then keep in any of the scenes from when the Engineer got out of the Pilot Chair and made his way to the Life Boat, as well these would conflict with the re-shot and preferred Engineer vs Shaw Scene.... as well how can they keep those shots with no Face Burn and then explain how he suddenly got the burn as soon as he entered the Life Boat.

So again i understand why they was cut because of conflict with the chosen Shaw vs Engineer Scene with Face Burn...

Despite i felt the full scenes for Engineer vs Shaw and Full Sacrificial Scenes added more to the depth of the movie....

Then we come to a few scenes i cant figure why they was edited out..

That being the Engineer Speaks Scene, and the Green Orb replacing the Sacrificial Scene...

As i have said and you may not agree with this, but thats up to you. Everyone has their own opinions.... but i do feel a lot of the scenes was edited regarding the Engineers for one reason....

They have had a change of plan and mind as far as how to portray the Engineers after the movie had finished shooting...

If they wanted to tone down the Engineers to not have much individuality so that David for instance has more, and so our Engineers are just well Bio-Mech Terminators.... who are created and given a more limited purpose...

Then yes removing of the Elders, removing of the extended Engineer Speaks Scene, and the other shots of the Engineer in the Life Boat would all do that trick.. thats to re-hash the Engineers to be well Aggressive £$"!$%"£ and not be pleased with us..

So when that Engineer was woken up he was like WTF! what you doing here, your supposed to be dead.. oh well ill finish the job...

And the Sacrificial Engineer was toned down to well, being dropped off alone on that planet to well Sacrifice himself as the shorter scene the Engineer seemed to have less emotion and like robotic like in his actions, compared to the impression of being very cultural and emotional race that the full Elders, Engineer Speaks and Engineer vs Shaw scenes showed.

Thus i think the Engineers are going to not be our creators at all but just pawns and slaves to some other power and race, that simply use our Engineers to do our bidding...

The Engineers thus never created us... who ever created the Engineers may had just used the Engineers to create us, with as much concern as mankind does when we test products on say Guinea Pigs.

so yes Cremildo i understand what your saying, in that some changes was made because Ridley felt they affected the pace of the movie, others because maybe they had a change of plan as to who these Engineers may be in the scheme of things.. who knows..

I still think that many of the deleted scenes, and alternatives all basically added up to well give us more clues to WHY THEY CREATED AND VISITED US...... and also the connection between ENGINEERS AND THE XENO...

Removing of some Scenes, blurred or removed clues that pointed towards those two points above and led to a movie that made less sense..

That was kind of my point, in that many on here are trying to piece the Xeno connection, the Engineer Agenda and also the connection to interaction with Ancient Mankind....

I feel those scenes are cut because well they have had a change of plan as to how to portray the Engineers, and also the Goo...

i.e the Goo will now be basically explained as well the source of all creation.....  not forgetting the inconsistencies between Engineers DNA in us from opening Scene to Xeno DNA from the Urns..

Nope i feel they are going to show us this stuff basically created us and the xeno and everything....

Thus they are tone down as much Xeno DNA and clues from Prometheus in the Editing Room, and they are also doing same with the Engineers as far as being more well a culture and not just TERMINATORS...

When you consider those points i made, and look at Ridleys comments about no more Dragons and Gods crap....

That shows they are trying to well not cover the Xeno connection and maybe also the Star Maps shown from the many Ancient Culture Agrological finds Shaw and Holloway made... Dragons and Gods..

Anyway Cremildo hope you dont take my comments as a attack or aimed at you, like i have not with yours ;)

And yes i guess the term Butchered is well a bit of a overreaction.. Like i said i just felt that when we look at why Prometheus was planned, that was as Ridley said no one ever answered the Questions of who was the Space Jockey, why was he on that ship with that Cargo.

This means they intended to explore who the Space Jockey Race was and why his race would be carrying such Cargo....  He did not never say they set out to make Prometheus to answer what happened to the Space Jockey... as well common sense from what we see in the Alien Franchise tells us that, the clues are there.

We just never knew the Why, When, and Where from and where to...

But the Franchise followed by showing us the Xeno as far as Weyland would make better use in the Bio Weapons Division, this was a clue to them being a Bio Weapon, but Alien did not show us the Xeno was for the Space Jockey a Bio Weapon, it was just some Cargo it was carrying, well we cant even say that the Eggs was there or not from the movie, something could had laid them but how they was set out and with the Protective Laser Barrier its more likely they was Cargo...

Ridley off screen confirmed the Derelict was a Bomber of sorts and a Ship thats Cargo was a Bio Weapon... so they set off to make Prometheus by giving us a back story behind the Engineers, that being they created us and the virtue of Star Maps indicates they played a part in coming back to Visit and teach us...

Off screen Ridley said these Engineers seed life on many worlds, and that they had been back over many years to upgrade and evolve life on Earth. The other part of the movie they showed us that the Juggernaughts was indeed Warships that carry Cargos that could be used as a Bio Weapon... and earlier drafts they are shown to be using LV 223 to carry out and test various experiments in creating life forms that are related to the Xeno...

This element was toned down for latter drafts.. As they wanted to explore the Engineers more than the Xeno, and that we was given clues to goings on that they was conducting experiments on some kind of Bio Weapon or something that could act as a Bio Weapon that is stored on the Juggernaughts. This was the connection to explain and make a link that the Derelict was a ship designed to transport Cargo of Bio Weapons and the Juggernaught provides the same function.

As far as showing us where the Eggs came from and the connection to the Xeno and LV 223 and Goo, this was done in a subtle way that many scenes and concept work gave a lot of hints to..
Scenes that when changed and cut, seemed to provide less clues to the connection... which is something that some fans found annoying, some wanted answers, well i would say many did... some did not mind us not seeing Xeno Fest.... just some like me felt that there was scenes shot Originally that well left more dots to be joined to make a better interpretation and lead us more down a path...

Thats the movie we got in the end, seemed to leave very open and thus while gave great Topic for Debate, it meant that no one really could present a ROCK SOLID theory as to what really was going on as far as Engineers Experiments and connection to Alien.

Then we come to the Engineers, while they toned down Alien link, and further toned that down with the cut they released, they had for our Space Jockey presented to us that he was connected to our Engineers if not one and the same...

A ancient Race, that had been around for Millions if not Billions of years, a race who while not Immortal they indeed was very old and advanced, and they while not Gods, they was Genetic Engineers who had seeded many Worlds, and they had not only seeded life on Earth, but they had then came back over and over maybe further upgrading what they had created until Mankind was the result.

For some purpose we was Engineered, they had visited us to teach us stuff, the movie seemed to had hinted that the visits and interaction of Engineers with Mankind and visits to different
Cultures all lead to those cultures interpret the Engineers as Giant Godlike beings who left Star Map and also maybe played the part in Teaching Mankind stuff and evolving us technologically.

How else could David had been able to read and translate the Engineers language...  he learnt it from ancient Languages that Ancient Mankind had known and thus shows the only way the Engineers also know this language is they taught Ancient Man it...

This was a very bold plot and scope and much more interesting than giving is a Alien movie.... But again the cut we got seems to tone down some of these connections; the full Scenes seem to show us the Engineers saw us as important to them for some reason.

The Elder scene shows they are looking frail and aged, and we do not see any scenes of different sex's,  the Dialog seems to indicate that the Elders needed to Sacrifice the Engineer to produce Mankind for some great purpose and benefit for their own kind....

Was the Elders Frail because they are aged just at a slower rate and will eventually die.... can they not produce or can they not produce a female?  Ridley did latter say they could produce life in other ways and that the Sacrifice is just the way they choose to do so, maybe thats because the Sacrificial Goo is a way to break down and spread the seed of Engineers DNA more efficiently over the long run. Thus the Urns and Goo on LV 223 was a more efficient way to spread the DNA of the Deacon in the Mural..

So again i felt the cutting of these scenes, kind of took away some of that purpose and culture and back ground of our Engineers. Gods and Dragons and all, does that mean Ridley wishes to not cover those connections.. Dragons as in LV 223 connection genetically to the Xeno and also why?  Gods as in Engineers connection to the visitations and Star Maps etc?

I do kind of understand if Ridley wanted to revamp the Elders as he felt they was too frail and not as Godlike, or indeed if he simply felt they are best explored in more detail in the sequel and so to not give much away and leave some mystery......

But then why add them to deleted scenes if the Elders will be shown in same likeness in Part 2... To me it points to a redesign of the Elders and maybe their Culture and a demotion of the Engineers to become merely servant and pawn to the Hierarchy on Paradises plans much like we created David for.

Regardless of what Prometheus is, we have to let go and accept it, as it is how it was finished as the way Ridley and Fox had intended it after they had reviewed the whole footage and maybe more likely considered where they want to further explore the Engineers in future. so to maybe fit in with how they wish to explore our Engineers and whoever else is at the top of the Hierarchy and also how they wish to explore exactly what the Goo does and comes from....

They had to edit and change some of those things in Prometheus maybe because in Part 2 they have come up with a slightly different idea and plans compared to what they had drawn up when they was working with Spaights and Lindeloff on Prometheus...

While Ridley wants to do a movie his way, he will have taken into account some of the negative comments not just from those who liked Alien Franchise but the General Sci Fi community and the fact that Paradise has apparently take so long and has had many more changes and drafts means that Ridley is hoping to give us something EPIC..  Something truly ORIGINAL and FRESH

And for that i am sure many of us cant wait..... Ridley did see that there was another Franchise to be made, a massive potential extension of the Universe of Alien, that went away from Alien.. which must mean our Engineers and their creators and whatever vast amount of experiments and life they have created...

Ridley will know however he has to get the sequel spot on, he has to give something AMMAZING... if he hopes to further explore this new Franchise and Universe.. And Frankly is something like this well worth the wait, than to rush job a sequel?

So in Ridley we must trust.... and like him or not, the guy does have talent and he is a LEGEND no pun intended...

As far as Prometheus goes then there is a lot i would have left in, includes all Engineer Scenes Full, i dont even think the Last Battle Scene Diminishes the Engineer either as Shaw hacked him with the Axe and he was still able to give chase to her.

Only way it would diminish the Engineer is if they wanted to portray them as being more nasty and purely killing machines like Terminators, thus he would not have toyed with Shaw he would have killed her as soon as he got his hands on her, and i also think the way the Engineer seemed intrigged by the Life Boat and the Violin Girl, i think again this showed the Engineers to be well Human in a way, when they wanted to maybe go for them being very sinister.

@djamelameziane

Sometimes movies dont do well at box office and get critisim but that does not mean they are poor.. yes Blade Runner got  bad press, people just never got it.. yet its a good movie very good and some of the latter cuts was better, The Thing was also not a big hit but latter a Cult Movie and a Good one it had a good use of characters like Alien for like Alien a basic plot.

Prometheus is a movie that grows on you the more you watch it..

As far as your comment about input from Fox and they pay the bills comments, yes many rumours some stuff Fox changed, Ridley did seem happy with Spaights ideas, but then he also happy with changes and said then that other draft was too Alieny... again  did he prefer the changes or not is something only Ridley would know for sure and something he maybe not come out and say if he did not like them... as well Fox pay the bills and i am sure Ridley wants to remain in some control of how the Franchise goes, as he lost that with after Alien.

But Ridley does not pass me as someone who would be a yes man if he totally hated the Lindeloff plot and he 100% wanted a more Alieny one like Spaights i feel he would have dug his heels in... so i think after they discused things they came to a mutral agreement and Ridley was fond of the change in direction.

As far as the edit of Prometheus Ridley has said this is the directors cut and there would be no others, he is happy and fox are with how the cut came....

There are as i said in previous posts some scenes that had to be cut i,e all that had Engineer in after the Crash, and pre entering the Lifeboat because he had no Burn mark and in the alternative scene that they felt did not diminish the Engineer as much he had a Burn.

Again this shot kinda showed our Engineer as well not a happy bunny, and thats why a lot of things have been changed, because Ridley and Fox have had a change of plan as far as what part these Engineers play in the Universe and also how they act and see mankind.