Positive Prometheus Reviews

Major Noob

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I mean, yes, he changed the story significantly but was still truer to Spaights' basic frame work than most give him credit for, there was little or no contradiction to the action as Spaights had written it

JUST TRIMMING OFF THE FAT

I always had the impression that they figured most of the simpler points could be figured out by the audience themselves.

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Totally agree but it seems that people just sees this as stupidity and then ignores the movie as crap as is evidenced by Jamiethebastard which is why i question the decision.

Why this level of Ambiguity ?? 

Maybe a liitle less so that suspension of disbelief can function ??

Or maybe that was the point - total ambiguity like Lost ??

This really is the only thing  in the movie that people can point to as perhaps a plothole or nosencical.

As to what happened to the engineers they had to find something to replace the Space Jockey mystery(who was the guy in the suit ??) etc. as it was originally the big mystery or at least half of it(the other half was why he had those eggs). As such I assume it(what happened to the engineers) is better left unsolved.

This ofcourse hinges on the Weyland Industries website being canon and not an easter egg.

Anyways I still love Promethues. It is a work of art and something new.

Also Prometheus is also i believe a way to re market the whole franchise again.

And they got me hook line and sinker.

I like the way you talk of Prometheus being crafted and made with love . That sounds like Ridley Scott. and makes me believe again.

Major Noob~ " I was really happy and really mad, that such a unique, brilliant movie would be so relentlessly s**t on is inexplicable" 

Hear hear, well spoke!

It's the shock of the new! Change is what was needed and it's a natural human instinct to be reluctant about, suspicious of and stubborn towards change!

Ridley put his heart and soul into Prometheus, filled it with respect for Gigerverse and Star Beast, [as well as a plethora of other SF classics.] He has created a new canon, encapsulating a far wider universe. It's the dawning of a new era for the Alien mythology.

With respect to this whole ambiguity thing yes, maybe that was among the reasons DL was brought in.

Like the SJ from Alien, I think they wanted to make something mysterious, that had to be unravelled and examined, but also something unknowable. The whole idea was these jokers were in way over their heads, facing things well beyond their ability to grasp, and it would follow that challenging the viewer's ability to grasp what was happening would add to the tension.

I knew the movie inside and out before I saw it and still got that dread of being trapped with forces ( David, pretty much everything on LV223 ) that can't be understood, or even survived.

And yes Ridley poured himself into it and that's part of what makes me mad, that he should have is ass handed to him for such a stellar effort. Maybe if he didn't try so hard, or if he did make it purely to sell then there would be more satisfied customers? 

Getting to see a Space Jockey suit up and then fly(and crash) a Juggernaut!! Made the movie for me. 

OMG I'm so pumped for Prometheus 2!

"JUST TRIMMING OFF THE FAT"

He came in to change some elements, and what he did was evolve some of the stuff that ended up being better, the route to go the way they did instead of a more Xeno and Engineers running lose movie was a very good move...

Only while Lindeloffs ideas was good, i feel it needed someone else to then look at potential problems and silly moments and cheesy dialect.... and add a few bits to it and we could have got a better movie...

But in Lindeloffs defence... the movie that was fully shot was slightly different to his Final Draft...  and the Movie Cut we ended up with is even more different to Lindeloffs draft.  Lindeloff cant be blammed for that....

To a degree Ridley cant either, i have a feeling that someone at Fox was pulling a lot of Strings.... seems Lindeloff had become a scapegoat and Ridley had taken the Can on his own head..

But alas as i have said, they should have taken critics on board, they would have a better idea of what to do, and not to do.... Why is it taking so long, yet they had drafts completed before even the Martian entered pre-production.....  They are simply trying to GET IT RIGHT and i am sure once Prometheus 2 and 3 if they need a 3rd are finished then we would have more peices to the Jigsaw that we can then finally add it all up together to give us the BIGGER PICTURE

I have high hopes that after seeing Prometheus 2 that Prometheus 1 will grow more on people and make more sense.

Now i will finally post what i was meant to as my first reply to this post ;)

Prometheus had some negative as well as positive reactions... what we need to understand is everyone is not the same.... Casual Critics and Viewers would not view the movie the same as Sci Fi Buffs, and Casual Sci Fi fans would view it different too, and then you have Ridley Scot fans and Alien Fans....

So every group has different expectations and interpretations....

Lets start with the Casual Viewer...... some of these would not maybe know there was ever a connection to Alien, they would not know the Juggernaught and Space Jockey Chair was from Alien....

For these fans if the movie was slightly better done, and more tidy as far as ambiguity and how it was edited... people would have left seeing a new kind of Sci Fi movie and some may liked it others may have not.

I have spoken to a few and by that 6 casual people who have viewed it and only one of them kind of understood it a bit..... The rest was  "What the Hell was that all about"  and even thought it was a very Random movie...

Then we have the Alien fanboys, and some of them may had wanted to see Xenos, may had wanted to know what happened exactly to the Space Jockey, and how those Eggs came on that ship.... they would have wanted to know where did the ALIEN come from...   Some may have also been disapointed at the Space Jockey being Humanoid Bald Terminators lol...

Then we have the other Alien fans who actually would not have been as disapointed but would have wanted to had seen less ambiguity and a few more clues, and maybe some better designs as far as the Monsters... Especially Fifield and the Deacon....

Then we have casual and hard core Sci Fi people again some may had enjoyed it others not so much, i feel that some could see what they(Ridley and Fox)  was trying to do and view it on its own merit as a movie on its own and not a Alien Movie.

Sadly the movie is a Alien Movie its is a lose prequel but one all the same, i know they are trying to view and tell the Story and History of the Space Jockey and avoid a Alien Xeno Flick.... but this is always going to be hard to avoid if they introduce Mankind into the fold.... but we cant have a movie that has no Humans can we?  so it had to be done in a way to connect it all..... This is why the Engineers maybe was shown as playing a hand in creating us and visiting us....  so as that to give some reason for why Mankind would find a Space Jockey outpost on LV 223.

I think they did a good thing, be not covering the Xeno a lot... we have seen the Xeno over and over and over, we have not seen our Space Jockey, the Derelict... what Race was this where was they from... etc etc...

But alas there was still one other Mystrey with Alien... that was why and how come these Space Jockeys would have the Xeno Eggs Cargo and where did the Xeno come from.... and while they tried to give some clues... and steer away from this....

I feel this is cause for some of the disapointment.... and maybe more clues that would hint to more of how the Engineers came across the Xeno and why and what connection LV 223 had with the Eggs etc.... if this was done more...  they could then had CLOSED THE DOOR on the Xeno...

And had freedome to explore the Origins of the Space Jockey and what else they had been upto in the Galaxy apart from experimenting on stuff related to the Xeno on LV 223 and also using Xeno Eggs as Bio Weapons or transporting them to be experimented on for Bio-Weapons...

I will one day when i have time, go though Lindeloffs draft and edit it how i would if i was brought in to finalise the draft and change stuff....  The draft would be based of Lindeloffs some things would be changed and removed, some of Spaights draft added to it and some things re-aranged as far as Scenes and also some Scenes added...

The result hopefully a more coherent draft, thats less cheesy, has some logical reasons for some of the silly things people complained about....  add some more slight Xeno DNA and parts added to the draft including Dialog that adds to make for less Ambiguity but keeps a lot of it.

New Scenes added, that should give a what 3 hour movie well a 33-50% increase in how long compared to Original Draft but it would still be for the most part a movie similar to Lindeloffs i recon that about 60-70% of his would remain intact... 10-20% of Spaights added as far as ideas... and then what total that gives i would added about 30-40% of my own stuff..... these be just suptile Changes...

Such as for example... i would have had Fifield damage his Map Communication device and also have them take a turn down a area and Milburn touches something and a Door Shuts on them... so they have to find another route out... but dont

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Now Spaights Draft explained why they got lost..... 

FIFIELD
Let’s check the feed. Gimme the map.

MILBURN

You had the map unit.
38.

FIFIELD
You don’t have the map?

They stare at each other.

MILBURN

Are you serious?

He trudges back the way they came, in disgust.
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You would be suprised a few of the little things like that, that Spaights draft had taken out would have made a better end product...

Gustavo, you do realise that 99% of the people in this site love the movie, everyone else left long ago. I think maybe 2 that disliked it stay in the forums and post, and even they don't outright hate it. You are preaching to the choir here.

For the record, I much prefer Lindelofs script/re-write.

I'd also like to point out that we (as in myself and my moderators) have never let members that disliked the movie bash the members that did, we ask that everyone treat each other with respect when discussing the movie. The use of the word "fanboy" here is disrespectful and I would hope you refrain from using it in future.