What Weyland-Yutani Know About The Black Goo!

@Lone

I have my book on order as of today ;)

Wow what information, i would assume Fox and the Authors had talked about what is going into the book and Redacted parts are what they cant reveal as the next few movies are to cover these.

When was this book out?

Checked May 2015 USA but October 2014 French Version

As the information you gave, now does seem to add up to a lot of what the SOURCE had informed me about, now the Source claimed their information they had in February which i was passed in March and posted stuff that never added up a bit to what we thought about Prometheus 2, there was some odd things...

That months latter, Ridley came out with stuff that then added up to the Source, then we got the Alien Covenant name change and Synopsis which seemed a U-Turn on what Ridley had said May-October 2015 and Source in March 2015.....  The Source claimed information was from Greens Final Draft of October 2014.

So this information now, that appears in the book does seem to add up to what the Source said... but the source had this information prior to the May 2015 release of this book....

Does this mean they are actually maybe not lying?  or could they have just got the French Book in October 2014 and translated stuff from it to then give a Plot well clues.... Then again some of the stuff they said i am not sure is in the Book, maybe you could find out.

So going back to one of those points....

The Engineers, and then looking at the Alien Covenant released Slaughter Scene, which some still think is the Covenant Crew or Humans....

Things are adding up now..... as the Source implied a few things...

*Mankind as of now is 4th/5th Generation, and previous Generations had been wiped out.

*Prometheus was not the first time Mankind had been to that System (AD 2093).

*Mankind played a bigger role in the creation of the Xenomorph.

All very odd points.... that now when we read some of the stuff from the Weyland-Yutani Report you posted and those Scenes from Alien Covenant... could actually be what we are seeing..

Mankind is a Evolution of the Engineers? or they are a Evolution of us... but we are connected...  the source also said Humanoid life is not just here on Earth but throughout the Galaxy.

Hi Dave, I still have a ways to go but, so far, other than the date of the merger, there is no other information whatsoever pertaining to reasons for the merger.

The report is purely written in terms of known MORB biology from each encounter and a want to exploit this further.

See, that's what I don't quite understand either. Why do they still want the MORB when they can have the black goo Accelerant?

Yes, David and a REDACTED other were analysing the liquid. So information was clearly being sent via David and/or other feeds. Of course all computer entries were also downloaded from the net to the company.

Michelle and David 007 brought up the question of whether David was carrying out Weyland's orders or pursuing his own agenda, sending info to another David [9] or perhaps having gone rogue?

My interest, other than the obvious one, is try to and understand how you construct a well structured narrative for A C through which a number of questions are answered.  

We know Prom 2 had three elements including Shaw/David and given the original script writers movies which dealt with a core transformative experience both flopped I think the elliptical, characters come into a narrative will be replaced by a narrative driven by characters. So I think David 9 might mediate the what Weyland- Yutani know about the Black Goo and LV223. It could be another company android but that has less drama for David 8. The doppelgänger idea plays into a David 9 and the crew subsequently not knowing for a crucial phase who they are actually dealing with.

The reason I say all of this is other than a mysterious wordless positioning prologue I cannot see another vessel being up there on a clandestine spying machine. The article already refers to Prometheus logs post Shaw which may have the equivalent of a black box retrieval mechanism .     

Dialogue in the wake up phase of the Covenant could explain the merger in fact it could be explained by some tension within the crew who come from the separate elements through gossip.  I do not think the movie needs to be slowed down to explain the merger real time or the black goo intel both can be made clear as the narrative develops and we come to know the make up of the crew and there various motivations.

Weyland Yutani and David 8 are very interested in the Black Goo thats where I see the drama coming from, inside that triangulated relationship, not subsets of the details and it also lays the foundation for the answer to the big one.    

From the point of view of the report it's all being deliberately kept secret as to what exactly Yutani are up to and what their remit is. 

I feel Ridley could address that issue at some point. I have always had the feeling that there was a Yutani spy on board the Prometheus, but I could be way off base on that!

Yes indeed, regardless of if David gone rogue or not, there is someone else who has studied the findings...

If it is not a David 9 from Alien Covenant, (assuming there is a David 9 or David 8).  Then i think its more than a case of information from David during Prometheus being received..

There is information post Prometheus, and post Shaws SOS perhaps?  Questions would need to be asked like.

*Did David just regularly update the company or just Prometheus Mainframe?

*Where did Shaw make her SOS?

Surely they cant send information like that from the Juggernaught? But who knows.

*How much information was sent, and how much did Weyland get, and how much did Yutani intercept?

*Is there a mission to LV-223 where the Redacted was able to study the Goo and was this Redacted part of a Yutani mission or Weyland?

*Was the Redacted someone or Android on the Covenant?

I think a lot of of things have been put in a way so that nothing spoils the next few movies, or that the Authors where told things they cant cover because the next movies would cover them but they had not passed onto the Authors what these things could be.

This is going to be like collecting the X-Men Box Set, or Fast and Furious or Star Wars.... when you think you have it all..... they would release a new set out with more added..

But i will still order this, got a copy on order i just hope the Special Edition only has the Fancy Cover thats different.

But i know after Alien Covenant and Alien 5 and another Alien Prequel or two and Alien 6... that they may bring out another Book that can finally cover the lot...

But i cant wait that long so i will get this... and then the other one when it comes out after the Franchise dots have been connected..

Why i never got the Prometheus to Alien Resurrection limited edition box set lol I have the Alien and Predators complete boxset (prior to Predators) and so i am waiting for a complete Alien Prequel to be finished and Alien 5 and maybe a sequel before i get a box set...

Then by the time that comes out, you watch Fox plan a Alien 7 and a Engineers Spin off lol

Spy Lone?  or Spyware...

From the Prometheus Blu-Ray.

" recording #1. Quiet Eye: Elizabeth Shaw, Weyland tells us that they picked up a transmission, FROM LV-426!!! "As fate would have it, Shaw and Halloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptibel signal eminating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Halloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of interest could actually be the moon LV-426. Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will be programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right. For if the Yutani's new ECIU software is to be trusted, there might be great risk awaiting us on the path to an even greater reward."

@Aorta - Fair enough.

In regards to the Weyland Yutani Report, it was more or less finalised in May 2014. Nothing in it alludes to what might happen in Alien Covenant, because at that point there wasn't such a thing as 'Alien Covenant'.

Yes Michelle  i agree that maybe we dont need the full details of the 10 years that have past, who knows if we will or what clues to that we get.

It did seem the Original Idea was going to show us that timeline... these ideas are something the Weylan-Yutani Report others had known a bit about when working on the book..

But they would have no knowledge of the John Logan changes which where made in the Summer after the Book came out.

The Source did imply a 3 Plot movie, in which Shaw and Davids mission and what happened from LV-223 to Paradise and what they find etc... plays only a small part and Shaw is incapacitated for the most part. But Technically does not die.

But they said there was Two other plots that where more main than Shaw and Davids...  and hints that one of those was about the Engineers Agenda and History and it seemed they was hinting at Flash Backs.. well scenes that was not set post 2093...

The 3rd plot they would not give details on but said was a big part of how things tie in to the Franchise....  This means was it a Plot Post David at Paradise and Shaw being incapacitated or was it something to do with other Human Mission be that Lv-223 or where ever else?

So who knows what route is being taken, the Synopsis and clues at time that Ridley let lose with seemed to indicate a Crew of the Covenant arrive at a Planet that has only David, no one else but something Evolving and Xenos...

But the latest images of the Slaughter of what looks like Engineer related beings seems to show their is a Scene of slaughter and disaster... a number are thinking this is either.

*Covenant Crew

*Engineers after David is finished..

*Humans on Earth in the past..

But i think it relates to the Engineers Fall, or a previous relation to the Engineers and Mankind that connects us. and Thus a Flash Back Scene.

The Special Edition does have more extras, though I think we can live without some of them! :)

An acetate of Ash's initial findings on the Facehugger

A charred letter written by Janek shortly after landing on LV-223

Veterinarian report on Jones the cat [I want that, I love Jonesy!]

An acetate chest X-ray showing the development of Kane's Chestburster

An acetate of Burke's directive to Hadley's Hope asking them to investigate the derelict co-ordinates

Private Hudson's discharge papers

Rebecca Jorden's first grade progress report

A Bug Stomper nose art sticker

An acetate of a communiqué from Burke to Weyland-Yutani regarding his plan for impregnating Ripley and Newt

An acetate of Andrews' report on the EEV crash

Extracts from Dr. Gediman's journal

A replica of Carter J. Burke's communication card

Yes, David 8 comes off as a spy. A trained killer for sure. 

I  think Bishop would have analyzed the Accelerant using the vast laboratory on board the Prometheus....David 8 smells the stuff and then gives it to Holloway!! You'd think he would at least look at it through a electron microscope ...or run some cultures! ...NOPE! lets test it on a human!

Oh sorry to go off Topic ;)

But yes what i meant by that is if there was 3 Plots to Prometheus 2 prior to Alien Covenant then maybe one of those Plots could have given us information that would have led to how the company gained such information...  i.e the other Redacted Personnel who with David 8 had been studying the information or had personal first hand contact with the Black Goo....

Also information the company does not wish to divulge regarding the Engineers at this time...

I think because such points could have been what 1-2 Plots in the Prometheus Sequel was going to cover.

"You'd think he would at least look at it through a electron microscope ...or run some cultures! ...NOPE! lets test it on a human!"

This is where the drafts gave more insight..

"POP. He removes the top. Dips his finger into the liquid.
Pulls it back out... and now brings his fingertip very VERY
close to his eye as his PUPIL DILATES AND WE ZOOM INTO --
A SUB-MICROSCOPIC VIEW. Seeing as only a mechanical EYE
could SEE. And here, wedged into the VALLEYS of David’s
fingerprint, is something very, very FAMILIAR --
It’s TEEMING WITH DOUBLE HELIXES. DNA. Just like we saw in
the beginning as we ZOOM BACK OUT TO"

So we have the Prometheus going to LV-223, and I think it's safe to say the Covenant too, perhaps a Yutani ship, then there's that failed Geryon/Kadmos mission in 2219.

Now, why do they keep going back to LV-223?  

@BigDave

Yes! That makes much more sense. Still a killer...but with some science skills.

I don't believe the Covenant will go to LV-223.  It's more likely Fox let Fire & Stone (in both 2179 and 2219) go to LV-223 because there were no plans to return there in the Prometheus sequel.

In regards to David, he was following Weyland's "Try harder" order and Holloway's admission that he'd do "anything and everything" to get his answers, gave David tacet approval to poison his drink.

Can humans cure cancer by 2093? What hope do they have figuring out alien goo? LV233 is a plague world..they need to nuke it from orbit.

Weyland developed a cure for 98% of cancers in 2022.

As far as David being a Spy, i dont know i doubt it the only thing he would do against the company would be to have his OWN AGENDA... maybe he could then want to get the  other Davids to join him in some sort of I-Robot Plot..

We cant rule out a rogue member of Weyland Science Team who played a role in the creation of David models to program some hidden code and Agenda against the Will of Weyland, maybe this person could be a Yutani spy and this would fit into the Prometheus/Paradise Lost Forbidden knowledge.

But we cant be sure... we do no a Merger happens, and if the Weyland-Yutani Report is to be taken as Canon then this happens between Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

If we look at Weyland Industries site and Blu-Ray Weyland Files, then stuff does point to Yutani knowing a fair amount.

1) They intercepted Shaws messages to Weyland and so they would know what Weylands mission was, and we have to wonder how many other messages of Weylands could they have intercepted?

2)The companies Science division long range scans have detected signal and information from LV-426 and so David is put onboard Prometheus to study findings on LV-223 but he is also aware of LV-426 no one else is... (we can assume Weyland does)  They was using Yutani Technology.

Which means Yutani know of LV-426 as much as Weyland did as of 2091 and with Yutani knowing this and the reason for the mission to LV-223 i would think they would want to dispatch their own mission or probe or unmanned mission following Prometheus.

3) If Weyland use Yutani Software before, then can we rule out Prometheus having some Technology aboard it that is Manufactured by Yutani.

I would safely assume that Yutani has indeed means to intercept or even sabotage Data that Project Prometheus Receive.  Or at very least sends off a Mission to follow behind Weylands and maybe inspect LV-426

We was led to assume maybe Weyland company is in trouble because its lost its CEO's but the Weyland-Yutani Book seems to imply that Yutani got in trouble and was brought out/ absorbed in 2099

We have to ask what happened that forced Yutani to have to Merge, as its logical that it was Weyland buy out and not Yutani gaining Weyland.

Maybe a ill fated mission to that system after the failed Prometheus is what happened?

The fact the Company is called 'Weyland-Yutani' would indicate it was a merger of equals rather than a buy out.

The interesting thing is would Fire and Stone be Canon... i doubt it as it included the Predators... and so the Weyland Yutani book maybe a resource book that can provide some stuff as Canon but not to be taken as 100% Factual because things could be changed within the Franchise...

I will come back to what the Source said to me in March 2015, they claimed that while Fire and Stone is not to be considered Canon, the Comics still show what potentially could happen and a few themes will be explored in the next movie.

which makes sense as Fire and Stone leave us wondering as far as Alien, why both and why not just go to LV-223.

Yes SM...

A Covenant.... not a total take over but some kind of deal, as i think one company has something the other wants or information.

As per the Weyland Yutani Report, everything released from the Out Of The Shadows onwards is currently considered canon (including Fire & Stone).  Films can obviously trump comics and novels (including things like the 2099 merger date) should the films creators choose.

@S.M Well, given the companies overwhelming desire for the MORB, logic tells me that either a Yutani ship or the Covenant/or it's shuttle, will touch down on LV-223, even it's only for a brief time in order to check out the Deacon. 

I don't imagine so. If a future film was going to feature LV-223, Fox would've likely told Dark Horse to set their comics elsewhere. At that time, Shaw and David had left LV-223 and weren't likely to return. (Things could have changed in the last few years of course).

And the Company hasn't really displayed an overwhelming desire to obtain the Accelerant - at least not yet. WYR had to be careful in necessarily not going into too much detail about it.

No, and I find it very strange that their desire for the Xeno still outweighs their interest in the Accelerant, as up to now that has been the case.

I don't find it especially strange. Just as how WYR had to be vague about the Accelerant, other licenses can't expand on what's been done in Prometheus because more films that might deal with it are on the way.

When everything is said and done it might look odd that they went after the Alien, when tonnes of Accelerant was sitting unguarded - or maybe it'll be dealt with.

@ BD 

My take on Prom 2 based on your exhaustive posts is the three themes were

David/Shaw their journey and stand off trickery.

Paradise Lost 

A Mission following from W Y which tied Prom to the original franchise.

I suspect they decided the D/S story line was to ephemeral and image based with lots of allegory and a transcendency feel. So

They brought Prom 2 into the A L I E N franchise by uplifting the coming of the Covenant to the beginning of the story so the W Y element drives the story and the crew come into the other two sub plots. 

Paradise Lost 

Davids transcendence and discovery/involvement in the core emblem of the franchise.  

However as you have said many of the ideas will still inform the narrative and I believe we have seen one in the horrific images of the punishment meted out on the Engineers.

In movie terms we need to know why the nefarious element in W T went for Paradise rather than LV223 or LV426 which they were receiving a faint signal from. That incidentally suggests the Jockey and its cargo is already as you surmise in place. The "backing in to" maybe the revelation of how much W Y knew about the derelict and its cargo and through the up and coming stories explain why/whether Eggs /vases etc. etc.  

This I think leads into

@ Lone why the Zeno not the goo. The B G is a nasty toxic substance and nothing remains on LV 223 to decode how to use it to reach its full potential.

Your wonderful micro management of the detail has led me to the conclusion that by the third act of Prometheus David already existed in two forms the butler servant to Sir Peter who he lead down to the Engineer when Sir Peter's daughter cautioned it would lead to his death. At that point in the story as Ridders has said David was poison in the narrative he had acquired a real understanding of what was going on on LV223 but shared not a word, Janek deducted correctly what they had come up against. David whilst in one body was already multiple personalities revealing to all, including his father, only what he wished to. 

David has left with knowledge that he maybe sharing knowingly or unknowingly. The big prize for W Y is not a lot of toxic material but the knowledge how to harness it so rather than LV223 the prize is the Engineers Homeworld, the  B.G. David and an evolving creature. How much they know about the latter two we will find out next year !

By the end of Covenant W Y will know the prize is not the B G but the Zeno and so subsequently they will look to harness the perfect specimen rather than the accelerator knowing by then that the synthetics are part of the equation, both being mechanic, one bio the other maybe by now, that is where the power and the glory lies in the future. The Goo is an ingredient but the Zeno is the cake and W Y want that and what David knows.    

Honestly...Not sure why WYR needs any outside help? They've cured cancer, have FTL starships, antigrav, AI androids(human like!), terra-form any world they want...Their labs should have come up with some really nasty stuff by now? bio-warfare, chem-warfare, super-weapons.....

It looks like Humans are on the same level as the Engineers?

What would they do if they had the goo?

What sort of enemies does Earth have?

Sounds like 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'....Nazi's(W Y/David) trying to use the Ark to kill their enemies....and we know how that turned out!

Facinating =O