What Weyland-Yutani Know About The Black Goo!

@AORTA

When it came down around Shaw, she was right under the end of hammerhead prong, it was at the end of its fall and hit a rock, which is ultimately what saved her.  If she'd been further under the prong more towards the base she would've been crushed like Vickers.

@Lone; thank you so much for sharing this info with us. I asked the question because of that image of Davids finger holding the goo with the, what looks like, infected DNA, really got my attention. I will probably purchase the book eventually, but unfortunately at the moment I'm skint.

If we do take this book as canon, then we have been given even more questions to think about.

"the Engineers’ hold was clearly full of something toxic to mammalian life, to human life."

What could this mean?

As the Goo/Accelerant been tainted by something toxic?

Was it not intended to evolve us but intended to evolve some other organism?  

And this part is really interesting; "They say that a case could easily be made for the Engineers being our brothers rather than our makers."

Assuming that the Company are correct in their summation, what could this mean?

Is it possible that the engineers are in fact the Nephalim? Maybe the Elders went to the daughters of man and had children with them and those children were known at the time as the Nephalim. Then thousands of years later, Shaw would address them by another name The Engineers?

Or, could it mean that the engineers were created by the Elders (or some other beings) on a planet somewhere else in the cosmos, in the same way we were created?

@S.M Welcome to the forum!

Given the Juggernaut's massive size one would assume it would weigh an incredible amount. Yet when it hit the ground it barely made an impression. It really should have crushed that rock and Shaw, and sunk into the ground a little. Debris from the Prometheus came showering down all over the place, and yet the Juggernaut appeared to sustain no major damage! 

Aorta makes a very valuable point. We can barely fathom the tech behind these ships, they don't behave in a manner that we would interpret as normal.

You're welcome Necro!

The goo in the Engineers possession is tainted. As AORTA said it's MORB juice! Making it differ from the pure bioform Accelerant we see the Sacrificial Engineer drink.

I think that the Company believe that, just like humans, the Engineers were created too, possibly by the same maker. Thus making them our brothers. 

Though to me, the apparent lack of females would suggest that their creation was as gardener/servants. 

Given the circumstances presented I don't see why it should've crushed the rock at all.The fact it doesn't crush the rock is supported by the fact it seems to make little to no impression in the ground, and vice versa. 

@S.M.-

I'm not insisting it was weightless, just having some fun with the idea. I like to play with little side stories that elevate the weirdness of the already quite weird Prometheus.

I could see Vickers surviving...maybe a broken leg or broken back...pinned between a spar(the ship has plenty of bumps and spaces to keep her from being completely crushed)...then the Deacon finishing her off....Or the Deacon saving her for the Queen?

Vickers spits at the Deacon, attempts to punch it...trying to incite the monster to put her out of her misery.

But the Deacon needs her for a future facehug and to start a family of MORBS.

Anything is possible MonsterZero! ;)

Who knows what the Deacon has been up to in the ten years that have elapsed between Prometheus and Covenant!

Where to start lol

First we have to remember we have no dates, unless Lone can give us any on the information released as this book contains information Gathered from late 21st Century to late 24th.

So the information on the Prometheus Mission we are not 100% when Weyland got his, and if its after the Merger.... but i would ASSUME the book is Canon as far as the series and that Fox collaborated with the Authors.

But it would be logical to assume that David kept logs with everything he was doing, or the company recover David at some point or he informs them at some point, what i am saying is the information could have been gathered in 2093 well sent out, or it could have been gathered on a mission to LV-223 or indeed after that.

But if we assume the company gains as much information as hinted above, including the not shown Redacted information... then it leaves a few Questions to why the company want to pursue the Xenomorph instead of the Engineers Tech...

Perhaps between Alien Covenant 2104 ish and Aliens  2179 maybe there is nothing to salvage from the Engineers apart from the Derelict on LV-426?

I feel this book is mainly a attempt to explain certain things, but its done in a way that is led to us thinking its official information that Weyland-Yutani have recovered, which would mean information could have been picked up from sensors or sent back to Earth.

Maybe a back up of information is stored on the Escape Module the Lifeboat?  That would make sense, and it would appear the Lifeboat CCTV captured something... which would then surely mean the Company would 100% go back to LV-223.

We have to wonder where Yutani come in all of this, and this book does seems to show us the Merger had occurred 5+ years after Prometheus.

I will turn our attention to the Weyland Industries Website, unless Lone can share what the book says?

The Weyland Viral site and videos show that Yutani are in part a communications and IC (integrated circuit)   company and that Weyland ships use Yutani ECU and other communications and that also Yutani could have accessed messages sent between Shaw and Weyland as they (Yutani) could have and most likely have been monitoring such exchanges, and also Yutani could also have programed their ECU and Communications to send back information to Yutani i.e Spyware.

There has to be a reason for Yutani getting into trouble, and i would ASSUME as covered in another topic the other day.... that maybe Yutani a company who has lost Billions to Weyland due to Weyland having a better Monopoly over the Android market. So Yutani find out about the failed Prometheus mission and maybe they know more than Weyland HQ and so they then send their own Costly mission to LV-223 and after this, the company are broke and a Merger is Forced... what would Weyland gain?  the mountains of knowledge maybe Yutani uncovered.

@Lone

I have my book on order as of today ;)

Wow what information, i would assume Fox and the Authors had talked about what is going into the book and Redacted parts are what they cant reveal as the next few movies are to cover these.

When was this book out?

Checked May 2015 USA but October 2014 French Version

As the information you gave, now does seem to add up to a lot of what the SOURCE had informed me about, now the Source claimed their information they had in February which i was passed in March and posted stuff that never added up a bit to what we thought about Prometheus 2, there was some odd things...

That months latter, Ridley came out with stuff that then added up to the Source, then we got the Alien Covenant name change and Synopsis which seemed a U-Turn on what Ridley had said May-October 2015 and Source in March 2015.....  The Source claimed information was from Greens Final Draft of October 2014.

So this information now, that appears in the book does seem to add up to what the Source said... but the source had this information prior to the May 2015 release of this book....

Does this mean they are actually maybe not lying?  or could they have just got the French Book in October 2014 and translated stuff from it to then give a Plot well clues.... Then again some of the stuff they said i am not sure is in the Book, maybe you could find out.

So going back to one of those points....

The Engineers, and then looking at the Alien Covenant released Slaughter Scene, which some still think is the Covenant Crew or Humans....

Things are adding up now..... as the Source implied a few things...

*Mankind as of now is 4th/5th Generation, and previous Generations had been wiped out.

*Prometheus was not the first time Mankind had been to that System (AD 2093).

*Mankind played a bigger role in the creation of the Xenomorph.

All very odd points.... that now when we read some of the stuff from the Weyland-Yutani Report you posted and those Scenes from Alien Covenant... could actually be what we are seeing..

Mankind is a Evolution of the Engineers? or they are a Evolution of us... but we are connected...  the source also said Humanoid life is not just here on Earth but throughout the Galaxy.

Hi Dave, I still have a ways to go but, so far, other than the date of the merger, there is no other information whatsoever pertaining to reasons for the merger.

The report is purely written in terms of known MORB biology from each encounter and a want to exploit this further.

See, that's what I don't quite understand either. Why do they still want the MORB when they can have the black goo Accelerant?

Yes, David and a REDACTED other were analysing the liquid. So information was clearly being sent via David and/or other feeds. Of course all computer entries were also downloaded from the net to the company.

Michelle and David 007 brought up the question of whether David was carrying out Weyland's orders or pursuing his own agenda, sending info to another David [9] or perhaps having gone rogue?

My interest, other than the obvious one, is try to and understand how you construct a well structured narrative for A C through which a number of questions are answered.  

We know Prom 2 had three elements including Shaw/David and given the original script writers movies which dealt with a core transformative experience both flopped I think the elliptical, characters come into a narrative will be replaced by a narrative driven by characters. So I think David 9 might mediate the what Weyland- Yutani know about the Black Goo and LV223. It could be another company android but that has less drama for David 8. The doppelgänger idea plays into a David 9 and the crew subsequently not knowing for a crucial phase who they are actually dealing with.

The reason I say all of this is other than a mysterious wordless positioning prologue I cannot see another vessel being up there on a clandestine spying machine. The article already refers to Prometheus logs post Shaw which may have the equivalent of a black box retrieval mechanism .     

Dialogue in the wake up phase of the Covenant could explain the merger in fact it could be explained by some tension within the crew who come from the separate elements through gossip.  I do not think the movie needs to be slowed down to explain the merger real time or the black goo intel both can be made clear as the narrative develops and we come to know the make up of the crew and there various motivations.

Weyland Yutani and David 8 are very interested in the Black Goo thats where I see the drama coming from, inside that triangulated relationship, not subsets of the details and it also lays the foundation for the answer to the big one.    

From the point of view of the report it's all being deliberately kept secret as to what exactly Yutani are up to and what their remit is. 

I feel Ridley could address that issue at some point. I have always had the feeling that there was a Yutani spy on board the Prometheus, but I could be way off base on that!

Yes indeed, regardless of if David gone rogue or not, there is someone else who has studied the findings...

If it is not a David 9 from Alien Covenant, (assuming there is a David 9 or David 8).  Then i think its more than a case of information from David during Prometheus being received..

There is information post Prometheus, and post Shaws SOS perhaps?  Questions would need to be asked like.

*Did David just regularly update the company or just Prometheus Mainframe?

*Where did Shaw make her SOS?

Surely they cant send information like that from the Juggernaught? But who knows.

*How much information was sent, and how much did Weyland get, and how much did Yutani intercept?

*Is there a mission to LV-223 where the Redacted was able to study the Goo and was this Redacted part of a Yutani mission or Weyland?

*Was the Redacted someone or Android on the Covenant?

I think a lot of of things have been put in a way so that nothing spoils the next few movies, or that the Authors where told things they cant cover because the next movies would cover them but they had not passed onto the Authors what these things could be.

This is going to be like collecting the X-Men Box Set, or Fast and Furious or Star Wars.... when you think you have it all..... they would release a new set out with more added..

But i will still order this, got a copy on order i just hope the Special Edition only has the Fancy Cover thats different.

But i know after Alien Covenant and Alien 5 and another Alien Prequel or two and Alien 6... that they may bring out another Book that can finally cover the lot...

But i cant wait that long so i will get this... and then the other one when it comes out after the Franchise dots have been connected..

Why i never got the Prometheus to Alien Resurrection limited edition box set lol I have the Alien and Predators complete boxset (prior to Predators) and so i am waiting for a complete Alien Prequel to be finished and Alien 5 and maybe a sequel before i get a box set...

Then by the time that comes out, you watch Fox plan a Alien 7 and a Engineers Spin off lol

Spy Lone?  or Spyware...

From the Prometheus Blu-Ray.

" recording #1. Quiet Eye: Elizabeth Shaw, Weyland tells us that they picked up a transmission, FROM LV-426!!! "As fate would have it, Shaw and Halloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptibel signal eminating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Halloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of interest could actually be the moon LV-426. Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will be programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right. For if the Yutani's new ECIU software is to be trusted, there might be great risk awaiting us on the path to an even greater reward."

@Aorta - Fair enough.

In regards to the Weyland Yutani Report, it was more or less finalised in May 2014. Nothing in it alludes to what might happen in Alien Covenant, because at that point there wasn't such a thing as 'Alien Covenant'.

Yes Michelle  i agree that maybe we dont need the full details of the 10 years that have past, who knows if we will or what clues to that we get.

It did seem the Original Idea was going to show us that timeline... these ideas are something the Weylan-Yutani Report others had known a bit about when working on the book..

But they would have no knowledge of the John Logan changes which where made in the Summer after the Book came out.

The Source did imply a 3 Plot movie, in which Shaw and Davids mission and what happened from LV-223 to Paradise and what they find etc... plays only a small part and Shaw is incapacitated for the most part. But Technically does not die.

But they said there was Two other plots that where more main than Shaw and Davids...  and hints that one of those was about the Engineers Agenda and History and it seemed they was hinting at Flash Backs.. well scenes that was not set post 2093...

The 3rd plot they would not give details on but said was a big part of how things tie in to the Franchise....  This means was it a Plot Post David at Paradise and Shaw being incapacitated or was it something to do with other Human Mission be that Lv-223 or where ever else?

So who knows what route is being taken, the Synopsis and clues at time that Ridley let lose with seemed to indicate a Crew of the Covenant arrive at a Planet that has only David, no one else but something Evolving and Xenos...

But the latest images of the Slaughter of what looks like Engineer related beings seems to show their is a Scene of slaughter and disaster... a number are thinking this is either.

*Covenant Crew

*Engineers after David is finished..

*Humans on Earth in the past..

But i think it relates to the Engineers Fall, or a previous relation to the Engineers and Mankind that connects us. and Thus a Flash Back Scene.

The Special Edition does have more extras, though I think we can live without some of them! :)

An acetate of Ash's initial findings on the Facehugger

A charred letter written by Janek shortly after landing on LV-223

Veterinarian report on Jones the cat [I want that, I love Jonesy!]

An acetate chest X-ray showing the development of Kane's Chestburster

An acetate of Burke's directive to Hadley's Hope asking them to investigate the derelict co-ordinates

Private Hudson's discharge papers

Rebecca Jorden's first grade progress report

A Bug Stomper nose art sticker

An acetate of a communiqué from Burke to Weyland-Yutani regarding his plan for impregnating Ripley and Newt

An acetate of Andrews' report on the EEV crash

Extracts from Dr. Gediman's journal

A replica of Carter J. Burke's communication card