What if the LV-426 Xenomorphs from Aliens are a different strain of Alien and the Queen is a mutation?

No one is suggesting the Alien is a giant insect.  Doesn't change the fact that insects were a big influence on the creature right from the beginning. The most iconic piece of the Alien - the chestburster - is taken directly from Ichneumon Wasps.

S.M.-

You are totally correct. The more peculiar and atrocious rites of Earth forms influenced the ideas behind MORB biology.

What we are holding on to here is a higher ideal, that the MORB's reproductive functionality is truly alien to anything we as humans can imagine.

The universe is probably fairly limited in terms of how life actually propels itself, but one thing about the Eggmorph idea that is unique is that no life form we know of makes its host into more of itself, with the exception of viruses. Hm. New thread coming on here. Hands off, fellow weirdos!

It has to be said too that more thought has been put into these ideas here than probably ever by the people in charge. If there is a Grande Roadmapio I'd love to see it.

Egg morphing is only unknowable to a point, and no more unknowable than the rest of its life cycle. If a caterpillar can undergo such a radical transformation to a butterfly, we can get closer to how a human can become an Alien egg (and once again we're back to an insect influence).  Enzymes digest and transform tissue in ways that a layman like me hasn't the faintest idea.

Didn't Ridley make several references to ALIENS with his Prometheus movie? I think the origins of the Xenomorph Queen is still on the table. Otherwise adapting the Queen out wouldn't make sense in a continuity sense especially in the Prometheus website where they make mentions of prototypes of the M41A1 Pulse Rifle. So with that mind: We get Pulse Rifles but no Xenomorph Queen? Ps. Pulse Rifles were only in ALIENS and ALIEN 3

@ Xenotaris,

Indeed, a precursor to the P5000 Powerloader was shown on the Weyland Industries site used to promote Prometheus.

Ridley had referred to the Xenomorph aka Big Chap Alien at the time prior to Aliens as being like a insect but he also said it was like a serpent too, and referred it as a dragon at times also.

while Ridley did not invent the Queen, he did say that it made sense as far as the Organism and Lifestyle.

The Queen is therefore very much Canon.... and it would be interesting to see how Alien Covenant and Sequels handle the idea of the Eggs and how they came to be.

But they wont rule out the Queen, maybe they could hint out that latter the Queen was a Mutation/Evolution of the Xeno Genome.

We have to remember the Evolution of the Organism

Star Beast: Our Organism was left over remains of a Ancient Alien Civilization that has the Egg Morph Life Cycle, once no Hosts Remained and Adults died out only Eggs Remained, but the Adults did use to use Temples to Sacrifice Hosts to create and start its life cycle.

The Space Jockey and his Derelict at this time was just but a unfortunate Race who stumbled upon the Spores just as the Human Crew Did.

Alien Draft: The idea had changed so that the Space Jockey was not connected to the Organism in some manner but we still had a separate Egg Chamber and Ship, but the Eggs were transported to the Ship for Bio-Weapons and not just a Alien Giant Race who came across another Alien Race well the Spores/Eggs of them.

Alien: They had to due to budget have the Egg Silo as part of the Ships Cargo Hold, but the idea was the same as above.

These 3 gave us the Egg Morph... Egg/Spore =>Face Huger => (Host) => Chest Buster=> Adult=>Host) =Egg/Spore

Aliens: Then based of theatrical cut where the Egg Morph was dropped then showed us and introduced a Queen that lays Eggs.

But then we had HR Giger (R.I.P) who had another idea that the Ships, Egg Silo would actually produce the Eggs, thus some Giant Bio-Mechanical Birthing Machine.   As far as a Bio Weapon this is the most destructive method.  A Weapon that produces its own Ammunition/Payload.

We cant be sure what way Alien Covenant will go, but it would try to connect Prometheus in which we see these Engineers have created a Substance that can genetically modify Genetic Material and that the stuff in the Urns is connected to the Xeno.

But we dont know yet if the Goo creates the Xeno or its Origin, or the Goo came from the Xeno or its Origin but it looks likely to be one of these.

And i think its which way they are going with that, to what way Ridley will connect the Origins....

But i think maybe a Egg Morph would play a role, but i think he could also give hints to how a Queen comes into play.

jpjoe84

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Posted Jun-09-2016 11:45 PM

This theory is definitely an eye opener! What if the engineer in Prometheus who got inpreganted was in fact female??? ( talk about a bit of a stretch) and the deacon alien is a baby queen? After the events in Prometheus an engineer ship finds the queen on LV 223 then crash lands on LV 426?

If this was already discussed I apologize

Funny . keep in mind that Ripley gives birth to a queen at the end of Alien 3 , right before she dies . Now if you compare both of these queens , the baby queen we get to see at the end of Prometheus is rather one  nightmare of a baby queen .When i was done with watching Prometheus I felt a little bit disappointed - but then I really was amazed all up for sudden , as I thought of the size a alien has in general , at the moment it starts to live . Unfortunately it is no queen . 

Still it seems to have very sharp instincts , if you consider his very first movements . Not waisting time at  all.

Yes the Deacon was a Human/Xeno Hybrid and so was born as a Mammal would and that is in the form that it would be as a Adult, i.e maybe wont change apart from get larger and meaner looking.

Comparing a Cute Baby to a Charles Manson, or a Cute Lion Cub to a full grown Lion.

I would assume by Ratio of New Born Mammal to Adult size, average.. that the Deacon would thus grow to be about 18ft tall.

How it procreates who knows..

I always looked at the aliens as a hive of bees (I'm a beekeeper btw). a queenless hive will try to create a queen by either creating a queen cell - an egg fed royal jelly, or in dire conditions a worker will be fed royal jelly, becoming an unmated queen, which produces only drones (males).

if an alien is hatched with no queen or hive, it would essentially be an unmated queen and its instinct would be to create a queen. I propose a live human (kane & dallas) would serve as royal jelly which would change an ordinary egg into a queen cell. once this queen emerges and mates to the alien which created her, we are off and running.

Tigerjeb ;)

Great Point, nice to have someone with more insight into Bee Keeping ... your point is the same as i was making a while back as far as the Alien Drone in Alien.

The Organism has one thing on its mind as it does not detect pheromones or what ever that a Hive would give off... and so it goes to create a Queen via the Egg Morph.

Once a Hive is created and a Queen starts to lay Eggs there could be something that effect what kind of Face Hugger we end up with....  be this pheromones, or hive mind, or atmosphere conditions within the Hive.

That only Warriors are created to protect the Hive and Collect Hosts for more Warriors....

If a Egg was taken from the Hive to a Far away place, maybe somehow the Egg loses some influence that being close to the Hive and Queen had... And so the Organism that comes from it will become a Drone.

The Alien in Alien 3 was also a Drone only one that was from a Dog/Cow.... it would have had the same purpose.

This kind of fits in with your Bee Hive.... it would explain why the Alien 1979 did not seem to create 2X Eggs, or why it did not also use Lambert and Parker for another 2X Eggs... therefore 4X Face Hugers for a unsuspecting rescue mission.

Of if Lambert and Parker was to be a Egg and Host then we would have a ship that would now have a extra 2 Xenomorphs...

So why just the One Egg and Host? Why was the Room starting to look like a Hive?  Because if this produced a Queen She could then lay countless Eggs.

As per the Directors Cut, the Alien was making two eggs.

Indeed this was the idea....  based of Star Beast that the Organism was trying to re-start its Life Cycle and the end is also the beginning and thus Egg Morph.

I agree this was the idea.... the plan.

But it was never explained on Screen this way and so i was going by visually what the Scene looked like Here

It looked at this point that its as if he was held hostage with his hands and feet bound... not by rope but by a Substance the Alien had in cased him in.

This image of how Dallas looked that most likely formed the basis for the Cameron Hives with Hosts being cocooned ready for the Eggs to be placed near by and Face Huger unleashed.

The Dallas Kill Me was carried over to the Hadleys Hope Colonist who we saw make the same plea before she was chest busted.

So my comment was not based on FACT as far as the intention of the Scene... but based on how that scene looked and then influenced the Aliens Chest Buster and Host Scenes.

And so the movie Alien DC did not suggest he was a Egg (Dallas) we saw Brett was... and we could assume Dallas was going to be too (which was intended) but then came along Aliens and that made you then think back and wander was we seeing a Egg, and a Host?

Which in context of the Franchise does kind of make sense, and so i was SPECULATING a what if the Egg Morph Scene was as such... and Brett was to be a Queen Egg, and Dallas the Host for the Queen... it makes sense then and connected to the Bee Hive just as  previous poster was trying to connect.

So yes i know the plan was Two Eggs.... but then why not 4 Eggs?

And things can be planned but changed, Prometheus had things planned and shown that where then changed some during shooting... others at a latter date to try and tidy up some of the movie i.e the Weyland File on the Black Goo.

Can we say this is what was happening?  No we cant, we cant be sure if the Egg Morph leads to a Queen... it was intended to lead to more Eggs and Xenos despite Eggs larger size.

But this is just a topic to make some speculative theories rather than only sticking to FACT.

But yes SM you are correct as far as the Original Intention, but then a even more Original Intention was the Egg Silo being not part of the Derelict prior to shooting..

Putting aside the agreed intent - coccooned hosts can be rescued prior to implantation.  Dallas was barely coherent and begged for death. If he was just to be a host, there's no reason Ripley couldn't have rescued him. The Brett egg hadn't finished forming, so Dallas hadn't been facehugged.  Ergo he was also morphing into an egg like Brett. It was evident in the intent and the execution.

Taking later films into account, Brett forming an egg, a hugger impregnating Dallas and a Queen coming from him makes more sense. But obviously that's not the case.

Yes that was my point as you said "Taking later films into account, Brett forming an egg, a hugger impregnating Dallas and a Queen coming from him makes more sense"

I understand your point that if Dallas was simply coccooned then why would he beg to be killed, if he thought he was just stuck in this substance.. and not pleaded to be rescued.

He would have seen what was happening to Brett or had happened, and he would maybe think or feel this was going to happen to him.. which was the intended case.

But maybe its not beyond the realms of reason that if he was merely coccooned but then saw a Brett being Egg Morphed that Dallas thought the same fate would have been for him.

So indeed a valid point raised....

I think its a Question of Cannon... what movie Alien or Alien DC is Canon to Aliens the most? 

The only sure way is the future, if Alien Covenant or Alien 5 expand upon the Egg Morph idea it could then explore its purpose... be they go the route of a Queen or just another Standard Egg... and its case of will we ever find out how a Queen comes to be?

Depending on how and if they answer those things, would then bring that Alien DC scene into a new light or further cement the original intention.

Alien 5 seems interesting as one image done by Blomkamp does look like the Brett Egg Morph Prop prior to sticking it inside of the Large Egg.

So i think Alien 5 was going to tackle the subject and shed some light on it.

Alien DC and Aliens don't sit well together.  Two scenes in Aliens defy Ripley's experience of finding Dallas on the Nostromo.

Indeed it does...

which is why i was speculating about possible use of it in future movies.

The Door is open for Alien Covenant and its sequels or Alien 5 to go back to the Egg Morph idea and allow Fox to explore it and finally put the rubber stamp on it for how they wish it to be.

Like Prometheus laid the Space Jockey Skeleton or Alien looking Being to bed, and gave us the Space Suit idea nailed on... But this seemed to always be the case as HR Giger had in his concepts shown what looks like Engineers and Early Space Jockey Suits in his Face Huger and Mural Concept works.

So if they cover Alien Egg Morph ideas in the next movie or other Alien prequel or Alien 5, then this is where they can then show us all that a Egg Morph leads to just..

1) Another Alien Egg and Similar Offsrping

2) A Hybrid Alien from the Egg

3) The Queen

4) Or even show us something different, i.e throw out the Egg but have the Xeno able to mutate a Victim into something else.

Right now the idea was always 1) but a future movie could give us the way they want to tackle the Egg Morph and Cement it down.

For a visual demonstration

This is a GREAT theory! To stretch it farther, I think that castes beyond the Queen (King, Empress, etc.) may have chestbursted from pregnant hosts, absorbing the embryonic baby!

What purpose would a King or Empress serve?

Indeed.... i prefer them to stick with a Queen..

And to have them being a Organism that can on its own find a way to create a Queen and then have the Queen be able to then lay Eggs...  and not need any Males or anything but to be able to Procreate Asexually..

Well not even that... more like a Virus etc.