Vickers robot theory still lingers

Wow!

Very nice idea...I think it works!

HAWLEY GRIFFIN - Hmm...most compelling! :)

I think Vickers was played to be compared to David to make the connection of brother and sister and that enables you to see the distinction between mankind and their creations.

In Vickers we see the brutal honest reaction of mankind to her megalomanic delusional father, contrast that with the robot that plays along; Vickers baits, indeed celebrates to his face his coming death, whereas David tells the audience he wants him dead. Its the difference between immoral and amoral.

Vickers wants to escape the coming catastrophe David is curious.

Vickers riddled with protocol doesn't even work out how to avoid the Juggernaut, David on the other hand is way ahead always challenging in a passive aggressive way.

He opens the headroom door by "mistake" he is insatiably curious Vickers is continuously risk averse.    

If I am right that Shaw is already in trouble it makes sense that David with a payload of Goo would offer to return Shaw to earth. Luckily for earth she shows driven by her moral belief system some curiosity and wants to go on. Wow that was close. 

The echoes are there and I see how you make the connection but I believe it was to refract once again the creator/creation paradigm. 

"What do you think?"

I've been hearing this for a few years and never seen anything approaching a compelling argument for her to be a robot.  What exactly is it about her "paranoia, attitude and body language" that makes someone think she's a robot?

If she was a robot why didn't she physically remove Janek from control of the ship and force Chance and Ravel to fly home?

And David calls her "ma'am", not "mum".

S.M. does have a point... If she was an android, she would've taken matters into her hands. It could've made a great climax.

Also I think that she's just jealous that her father likes David, a synthetic, more than Vickers, a human daughter. Family tensions.

But, I do agree with you! False memories and consciousness would tie gracefully into the story.

Great topic, upvoted!

@S.M 

"I've been hearing this for a few years and never seen anything approaching a compelling argument for her to be a robot."  

It's been heard before because it's predominantly asked in the film...so the question lingered since 2012 and hasn't really been answered.

"What exactly is it about her "paranoia, attitude and body language" that makes someone think she's a robot?"

well that was the point of the post, just a silly theory revolving around "replicants" and how they act human, but aren't. ("More human than human" is our motto). And how Vickers does seem human all around but yet so do replicants.

they are hard to spot...replicants and Vickers seem resentful and also angry lol So my point is that even if she acts human,  is she really human?

@Michelle Johnston makes a good point about her beying just an opposite reflection of robots to human differences.

and thank you to everyone who commented and discussing :D

@Facehuggers! @S.M 

Yes you guys have a point about her mutiny if she had evil intensions. But lets say she was angry at the fact that she's not "in" the plan, and just observing...David turns off his body camera and also Weyland doesn't respond to her with any care or worry.  It's almost like they dont want her to know everything in fear of her interference..who knows....but she thinks more like a human, ...like a replicant. versus david who follows orders and has no emotions..replicants have emotions...and fear... she even didn't want to come there...when her father died she couldn't wait to go home...she was just a supervisor and a disbeliever

replicants in bladerunner wernt taking over the world, they were victims who just wanted to live and run away and live life like a regular mortal. They didn't fight for Tyrell, they hated their maker.  Like maybe Vickers hates her father.... I feel if, and thats the BIG IF....that if she is a replicant. she was the emotional and less corporate like her father... and more of a attention deprived daughter caught in the middle of weyland's plans.....complying to it to please her father.. 

but this is theoretical and I'm not claiming she is a replicant..i am only suggesting it. :)

Vickers needs a Voidcomp iris test 

I think they intended to tease it a bit more than we got but for all intensive purposes the way Vickers was, was to make us maybe cast doubt.. and ask.. is she a robot?

Lindeloff mentioned this..... bu then said she is not a Robot...  But who knows... all the clues would suggest though that no she is not a Robot so to speak.

Replicant or Clone?  Who knows..

Peter Weyland was 103 years old when he met his death on LV-223 we dont know how many years he may spent in Cryo-sleep type devices to extend his life... Micheal Jackson used to have like a cryo-pod to sleep in that was supposed to help him age less LOL

So in the future yes we could see the use of such things...

Ignoring that... Weyland Biologically would have been in his 60's when he became the Father to Vickers... assuming Vickers was born and Aged like a Human.

So its still possible Weyland could have fathered her... even if there is doubt... who is to say his Sperm had not been frozen from when he was a more fertile age?

So its interesting to speculate but i think Vickers was not Robot,  she could be a clone or replicant but i would assume she is 100% Human.

"It's been heard before because it's predominantly asked in the film...so the question lingered since 2012 and hasn't really been answered."

It was answered with Vickers inviting Janek to her quarters.

@S.M exactly, thats the scene......

So if the question was asked and answered - what basis is there for the theory.

well it wasn't answered... although Vickers may had an "intimate moment" with Janek. doesn't really say anything, because even Pris (bladerunner) was a pleasure model with those human "functions".

and even Rachel was a "full range" new Nexus replicant, able to be Tyrell's "Neice" and also be a love interest to Deckard.

I must also point out her strength..when she yanked David threatening to cut his wire... Replicants have freakish strength

Androids aren't replicants.

If we are to speculate she was a Android... well when i was working on my Prometheus 2... i had a twist..

The company was in a mess.. there was a board meeting discussing what happens now... after 4 months no contact from Prometheus (Easter Time) it seemed the board of directors had to make plans for who runs the company now...

In Weyland and Vickers Absence it was the Nephew of Peter Weyland.... as Peters Partner was his Brother who was also old, and not in great health.

I had a board meeting with this Nephew... and we then get to see Lance Henricksen communicate that he is the heir of the company and he was about to start proceedings to allow his Son to take over.

Then we see a Briefcase being opened in another place, with a Screen like a Laptop and a message from Peter Weyland and it declared his assets to be left to Vickers.  We then see a Female Hand close it.

We then go to the board meeting as everything is being sorted and signed and announced about the change of CEO due to the event of assumed Death of Weyland and Vickers..

And we hear a female say not so fast...

It is Vickers... she shows the Will and Testament and as she is alive then she runs the company..   Her Cousin is very bitter at this...

Vickers then fires him, and points out all the shares of her Fathers are to go to her and so Peters Nephew and Brother are not a member of the board.

We see Weylands Nephew has a plan, he is interested in Military Applications of Weyland Company he is not all that interested in the Terraforming and would want to sell shares... and he makes a deal with Yutani to not only corrupt things and hack Weyland Files and Accounts.... but they inform Weylands Nephew of a signal from LV-223 and they have others..

Weylands Nephew then has proof that indeed Prometheus mission was destroyed and Vickers was supposed to be on the ship... but Yutani want a deal if they are to pass the information and proof...

They want all rights to the Synthetic Patents so they can use them for their own Synthetics...

They both realize maybe Vickers never went and it was a cover up by Vickers because she knew the stunt they would pull..... its hinted that from clues that indeed this Vickers had been on Earth all along.... in hiding for 2.5 years.

To deal with this Yutani dispatch Two Synthetics of its own to Assassinate Vickers, not quite as Human looking as Weyland David 8 models.. and they are dressed as Geisha.

They confront Vickers and have a fight Scene, where Vickers holds her own and kills one.... then is wounded by the other......

AT THIS POINT!  we find that this Vickers is a Android and was part of Weylands plans should Prometheus Fail and maybe he wanted Android Vickers to run the company over his own Daughter... because he has a better bond and favoritism to his Synthetic Creations.

Vickers 8 then destroys the other Yutani Android but she is found out as Weylands Nephew arrives and shoots her so she can not walk..

Then he knows a Android has no Human Rights and so the company is all his..... 

Oh his father dies, well is killed at the orders of his Son.. as Weylands Nephew is even more Megalomaniac than Peter Weyland himself.

S.M

"Androids aren't replicants"  

yes ur correct, i may have typed that in the post..but you get what I'm saying about Replicants

that also highlights the theory I'm making,. that she was asked if she was a robot (even android)...and didn't really answer........

and goes back to your

"Androids aren't replicants"

"I must also point out her strength..when she yanked David threatening to cut his wire... Replicants have freakish strength"

They can have greater Strength....

But we also need to remember that David 8 was taken by surprise and only weighs 86KG and if we assume Vickers is strong for a female (look how she started press ups no soon as coming out of Cryo-Sleep)  then shoving a Humanoid that weights 86KG is not beyond the realms of possibility for a Human.

Good point! and I can dig that!... like i sayd its a theory lol ;) great discussion scified folks! :D

In order to even have a theory you need points to support said theory.  Like 'Could Vickers be a robot because in this scene she does this and in that other scene she does that'.  For instance, if it was kept secret that Bishop was a robot, then the knife trick would be a something that would support the theory he was a robot.

I can't see any actual points being raised for discussion in support of the theory that Vickers is a robot.  Or a replicant.

@S.M ok great, but if the post got you to respond and pick at a "thought"...then it did its job in my opinion.

Also you are trying to state FACTS, and thats fantastic and i respect that..personally i post things to stimulate imagination.

The movie gave supple hints to prove a mild Red Herring for us.. but it shows more scenes that support she was Human than the tiny red herring...

Its to make us wonder a little.... but the "my room 10 mins" was meant to show us that (ah ah) she is Human... but then we dont know if they had any Intimate Moments...  But the Scenes after support she is not a Android.

During the run up no one attached to the movie would deny or acknowledge the Robot theory... i am sure Ridley gave a red herring there could be more than one Robot in this movie.

Again its how do we know its a red herring and how do we know he meant it as such or even in regards to Vickers.

The other Robot could be the Engineer, they for all intensive purposes could be to their creators as David is to Weyland... a Creation a Tool,  only a Genetic and not Synthetic Robot/Tool

As far as Tyrell it was teased in some bonus material but until the movie or future ones makes a more direct or minor link, then we cant accept that Blade Runner and Alien are connected or in the same Universe..

Ridley said they could be.. but thats not to say they are... or even if they are its not to say that Tyrell has anything to do with the Alien Franchise

i am sure McDonalds are around in the year 2200, surely 2100 we know Rebok are...  but do we see McDonalds Corp involved in the Franchise? Nope..

That does not mean in the universe on Earth or even Mars Outposts they dont have a McDonalds.

And so yes as SM said... there is not proof to suggest that Vickers was nothing more than Human.

Still fun to speculate and offer alternative theories though.