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is ridley revisiting the suggestive lambert scene?

ali81

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from a discussion on another topic I got to thinking, is ridley going one step farther with the shower scene in covenant than he did with the suggestive scene involving lamberts death in alien? it certainly doesn't look like its tail and the sound we hear it make in the trailor to me suggests quite a sinister motive. does it also suggest male and female aliens?

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If we want to take a painful moment to recall AVPR, the predamorph totally impregnated a woman with multiple offspring if I'm not mistaken. I found that scene was equal parts of stupid and disturbing.

Also, in regards to whether Lambert's experience was sexually suggestive...if you've watched the deleted scene that is part of Lambert's death. The xeno totally looks like it's trying to be cute and flirt with her (with the whole scootching up to her move) and then it flashes her a little smile. Clearly the xeno had a crush and perhaps this is how xenos initiate their foreplay.

The deleted scene can be viewed here for those who haven't seen it. 

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I guess I failed to see anything sexual about the death of Lambert... as for the Aliens, they seem much scarier and more alien if they are parthenogenic. I have always preferred the idea that each and every alien was capable of becoming a parthenogenic queen given time, because this made a single alien into a potential infestation.

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Never thought about it that way, but now that you mention it that's exactly what it looks like. Before the scene was just wierd and didn't really work, and I got why they cut it.

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The guy probably got neutered they were because that was a lot of blood for just one cut. that  is definitely suggest how lambert died

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@ifox even in the original cut Lambert is clearly not wearing all the clothes she had been before the Alien showed up. In an extended cut of Ripley finding Parker and Lambert, Lambert is completely naked.

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Ya know, I was mostly joking with that post and had pretty much thought the same thing that Myrddin365 originally thought.

But reconsidering now, perhaps Ridley did want to present the concept that warrior xenos would hope to court females of any upright species but later recognized the concept wasn't well developed enough in the film for it to be clearly understood and decided to abandon it. Who knows

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@QES-

I can see that when the xeno extended its tail at Lambert it seemed phallic, but that little crawl looked pretty silly. Maybe the actor was being directed to get closer and that part wasn't intended to be seen. Maybe I am overthinking it.

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ali81 i do think its possible for a hive to possibly survive the death of a queen.Ive seen two games explore this idea a bit.In the 2010 avp game at the end of the xeno campaign the queen is killed and it shows your xeno writhing in pain,it doesnt as it saved or i should say spared Weyland to be used in further tests.The game may even show other xenos dying(i havent played it in awhile so i cant 100 percent remember).Theres also Alien Isolation.Late in the game you find the aliens hive where you also learn theres more than 1 alien on the station.You eventually destroy the hive and a lot of aliens fleeing and surviving the destruction.While a queen was never seen its safe to assume there was one and was likely killed when the hive was destroyed.If there was a queen,then the rest of the xenomorph survived without her(though not for long)and continued to do what they do best,hunt and kill.

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I think its a nod a easter Egg to teh Alien Scene...

I am not sure they would go the route to imply the Xenomorph then tries to pursue  Hernandez Character in any sexual way...

As far as how the Xenomorph could procreate... maybe they could hint this.. but i dont think Ridley wishes to Trash the Queen.... and i always felt the most Logical explanation for the Alien Deleted Scenes was that the Egg Morph simply created a Egg that hosts either a Juvenile Queen or a Larger Face Hugger that gives rise to a Queen.

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If the scenes are sexual assault, it doesn't necessarily mean it is about procreation. Being alien and distinguishing gender differences, maybe the act is about sadistic violence.

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@QES,

Thanks for the link to the deleted Lambert scene. Funnily enough, one of the associated videos was a deleted cut of Brett's death scene.

Something I didn't realise was that the tail-between-legs was also tried on for Brett too! I can't tell if the actual legs are Brett's or Lambert's but judge for yourself. (Need to ffw a little bit)

It just gives you insight into how much the editing room can and does influence the end product.

UPDATE: ah sorry guys, that was a 'fanedit' :p so false alarm on the Lambert/Brett duality :(

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Indeed the Brett Scene was great.... showed a different side to the Xenomorph.. than the kills on sight we got in the movie..

Sadly i think they was cut, because they felt showing less of the Monster.. adds to the Horror and Mystery with Alien it was what you dont see that made it what it was.

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Yeah the ol' less-is-more trope. Worked in Jaws and certainly works in Alien. It makes us beg for more, but the director has to balance how much to reveal and how much to leave to our imagination -- especially for pre/sequels.

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It would have been chilling to see it tear Lambert's clothes off, if done correctly

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Stan Winston (deceased)

I think you had it right the first time. I remember reading somewhere that the tail between the legs was originally for Brett and when they cut the excess they reused it on Lambert.

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