Successful Facehugger removal?

I thought there were two in the canisters in Aliens? If memory serves, one was removed but the host died in the process. I cannot account for the other.

A very basic way might to aim the specimen toward a specific area (extremely basis to best counter act the acid). Make a slit and let it bleed out until it dies.

They were partially successful in the River of Pain novel by freezing the joints with liquid nitrogen, and breaking off the affected leg, but they also killed the flesh on the hosts cheek. The hugger reacted by starting to strangle the host then the frozen joints warmed up and started to bleed acid on the hosts face.

Other old comics have shown huggers being ripped or shot off, with any potential side effects from acid or strangulation handwaved, so they come off a bit farfetched.

I think any radiation strong enough to harm an organism with polarised silicon for skin would do more harm to the host.

"I thought there were two in the canisters in Aliens? If memory serves, one was removed but the host died in the process. I cannot account for the other.

A very basic way might to aim the specimen toward a specific area (extremely basis to best counter act the acid). Make a slit and let it bleed out until it dies."

Any cuts heal too quickly.

There were six in stasis tubes in Aliens.  Two were alive and four dead.

Those are somethings i hadn't considered.Thanks guys.How about putting them on ice?

SM-

Thank you. I am unfamiliar with texts you reference.

I propose we FIND A WAY! Could you start- maybe on a new thread and we can see where the idea goes?

Anything you do to the hugger is either going to directly harm the host, or cause the hugger to harm the host.  Maybe you could give it a blood transfusion to dial up the pH of the acid, but it would probably strangle the host in the meantime.

SM. Perhaps the crew has a blood supply refrigerated and they could task a synth to somehow test it with on board chemicals to match ph/blood type?

Great suggestions guys!

Still have the problem of it choking the host as soon as you touch it.

Emergency chrich- IF the tail could be unwound for access?

The only way you could do it is to make it think the host is dead. You put the host in clinical death, electrical or chemical induced state causing heart failure. The trick is you must do it fast, before the facehugger impregnates the host.

If the facehugger releases the host you catch the freaking thing, and do reanimation of the host. 

I covered this a bit in the other Topic.

It would seem that the Face Hugger has to stay on the face after implanting the Embryo for a PURPOSE.

This is likely if we consider the Organisms sole purpose is procreation and its task is to make sure successful procreation has occurred then the Face Hugger would not naturally release itself off the Face until the Embryo has grown to a specific stage of development.

So for a successful Parasite to operate it would have some functions that would insure it can carry out that task and so having it pose a threat to the Host if any attempt to remove it would certainly be logical on its part.

So this brings us to the point of Defense Mechanisms that would help to prevent the Face Hugger from being removed until its task is completed, and these Defense Mechanisms could most likely include.

*Constricting its tail to cut off air supply to the Host

*Latching on to the face so hard that the only way to remove would be to cut if off which leads to Acid on the Hosts head.

But then maybe it could also.

*Inflate and detach its implantation tube so this blocks the Hosts Airway.

*Release Acid or Toxics into the Host to kill them.

So it would make removal of the Face Hugger a extremely risky and daunting task.

But eventually if would release itself, when the Embryo is at a certain stage. It would be logical that at this stage the Embryo has grown to a size that it is near birthing and can now defend itself to some degree.

so it would be Logical if the Chest Buster after the Face Hugger as released itself has some Defense Mechanisms

*Maybe at this Embryo Stage its attached to the Rib-cage or it can latch onto it.  Making this a difficult operation to remove it surgically. Until its very close to the stage where it would be ready to Chest Burst.

*Maybe it can secret Acid as a Defense Mechanisms maybe it can do this on the Rib-cage wall, secret a slime that has some properties of the Acid so as to weaken the Rib-cage which may cause the Host a feeling of strong heart burn? If the Organism can do this, then maybe it can release this as a Defense Mechanism?

*When the Organism is at a certain growth, after the Face Hugger releases itself, maybe the Organism inside can now move about if its disturbed which would make removing it difficult without the Organisms movements causing Trauma to the Hosts Organs and making extraction difficult with the risk of wounding the Organism (Acid Blood) or damage to internal Organs from the Apparatus/Method of trying to catch say a Frog in a Bucket with Oil all over your hands.

However Movies in the Franchise have shown a Successful removal had occurred and the Host had recovered.

So i think there would likely have to be a Peach Spot between when the Face Hugger Drops off and prior to Chest Busting when they can remove the Organism and it would be logically if some kind of Sedation Method was used to incapacitate to a degree the Xenomorph Fetus.

Considering that the face-hugger has highly (pressurized) acidic blood, I think a viable course of action would be to introduce a base (calcium hydroxide, sodium choride, etc.) into its blood stream to neutralize the acidity. Most likely, some serious experimentation would have to be done to ensure that the base isn't too strong, as the resultant interaction with the acid could cause just as much or even more damage than the acid itself. Similarly, the base probably would have to be stronger than everyday "arm & hammer" baking soda for it to effectively work. It is at this point , removal would be feasible without significant damage to the host.

If you recall in AR the queen fetus had an umbilical cord attached.  So sedating the fetus and the host at the same time is definitely a possibility. 

I think it is a very difficult one. in alien as soon as they touched the hugger its tail tightened around kanes throat. it can obviously sense danger and im sure it has more ways that strangulation to kill the host. just like the concentrated acid for blood, everything about the hugger is designed so it cannot be removed before implantation without killing the host. interestingly, I recently saw a theory on the acidic blood working in the same concept at the acid in a car battery, being a form of power source for the aliens and its defensive quality being a convenient secondary purpose

@ali81

See my post ref the alien acid above. I believe it would be the most scientifically-proven way of neutralizing the face-huggers highly corrosive acid (And probably killing it in the process) so you can physically remove it.

Just a note to add that a base could easily be injected into the face-hugger with a corrosive resistant needle (many types of modern thermo-dynamic materials such as pecora mastic and PTFE are resistant to the effects of acid.)

yes u can kill it, but it has shown awareness by tightening its grip on the hosts throat. theres nothing to suggest it wouldn't have time to feed a deadly toxin down into the host before it dies

it may also have completely parelised the hosts respiratory system and is breathing for it, much like a ventilator does. killing it may kill the host as the host may be unable to breath as theyr lungs don't function. perhaps the huggers last act, upon completion on implantation, is to allow the hosts respiratory system to start functioning again on its own

@ali81

Its an interesting point. I am not sure if anybody really knows all the capabilities that the face-hugger brings to bear. I will say that the acid-base reaction in the blood stream would be nearly instantaneous so the tail tightening its wrap around the neck to choke the victim is not probably an issue to consider.

However, I am not sure if the face-hugger has toxins (or a delivery system for that toxin) it can emplace into the victim once it realizes it's time has been cut short.  It's delivery methods for a hypothetical toxin may take only a few seconds which would be about all it has after the base is injected into it.

In practicality, most physical defense mechanisms would be rendered ineffective by the thermogenic acid-base reaction (With the exception of immediately detaching its insertion tube, which may choke the victim to death). Latent defense methods i.e. such as the spore becoming posionous or even cancerous if it is not properly "nourished" by the face-hugger, are another story altogether.

Can anyone out there in the Alien universe elaborate further on the defense methods? Really want to get after them from a scientific point of view.  It's an impressive organism, no doubt, but nothing is flawless.