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A complete list of everything that is canon

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ninXeno426

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I'm putting this together in an effort to get a full,complete picture of everything that is canon in the Alien universe.If you know anything that is,feel free to contribute.My hope is we can all use this forum as a frame of reference when need be.

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I Meme Everything
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Thank God AVP isn't canon

"Part of the journey is the end..."

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ninXeno426
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No.Even S.M. doesn't think they are.Alien Isolation is,so is The Fire and Stone series.

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Dr. Curt Connors
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Are the books Out of the Shadows, Sea of Sorrow and River of Pain canon? I think I heard on here they are and read that they are also, are those the only books that are canon?

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Dr. Curt Connors
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Oh wait the Fire and Stone ones are, @ninXeno426 said that on this post.

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ninXeno426
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Those books are canon.Fire and Stone are comics

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Dr. Curt Connors
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Cool, need to read some of these books

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S.M
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Alien

Aliens

Alien 3

Alien Resurrection

Prometheus

Covenant

Out of the Shadows

Sea of Sorrows

River of Pain

Rage War Trilogy

Fire & Stone

Life & Death

Defiance

Isolation

Dead Orbit (forthcoming)

Weyland Yutani Report

 

EDIT - added Isolation

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Isolation? If not, why?

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ninXeno426
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I noticed.It is isn't it?

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ninXeno426
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Also can i get an exact time line.And what about the upcoming bug hunt?

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ninXeno426
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 Also The Alien Isolation comic.

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Rick
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Isolation is canon

SM also left out the novelizations.

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ninXeno426
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You mean the movie novelizations?

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Rick
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yup, the movie novelizations.  I've been saying for months there is a lot more info in the books then you see in the movies.

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example, they tried to space the alien in the alien novel and it got its arm cut off by the door and it grew back like the hammerpede head

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"Isolation? If not, why?"

Sorry.  Missed that one.

Movie novelisations go without saying - as far as they don't contradict the film.

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Rick
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LOL, you have to say on the novelizations or people over look them.  Hence the slight over looking of them in a post previous mentioned here.

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ninXeno426
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This one 

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Nah. Novelizations, comic books, video games, happy meals etc. are not canon (at least in my humble opinion) purely because this is a film franchise and therefore only films can be considered canonical. But by the same token, a comic book franchise will not consider a film based on it as canonical.

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Man i would have been severely disappointed if isolation was not canon, that game blew me away, the look of it, walking around inside the torrens felt like i stepped onto nostromo and the engineering section of sevastopol was like the nostromo engineering deck, sega and create assembly did an awsome job.

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"'Nah. Novelizations, comic books, video games, happy meals etc. are not canon (at least in my humble opinion) purely because this is a film franchise and therefore only films can be considered canonical. But by the same token, a comic book franchise will not consider a film based on it as canonical."

Depends on the franchise.

There better be Covenant Happy Meals in May.

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dk
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My basic search defined canon thustly in order of precedence but admitted that it is not limited to this:

  1. Theatrical films
  2. Video games
  3. Books
  4. Comics
  5. Toys/other merchandise
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ninXeno426
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Covenant happy meal toys?Hell I'll buy one lol

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lol thats ok S.M, each to their own, man i remember when empire strikes back opened back in 80'(scraping the grey matter data banks! lol) i bought every cup in the meal range. 

 

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I still have Empire Strikes Back towels.

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dk
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Forget Happy Meals- How about a Covenant Burger by a Chicago place that does metal band burgers like the Ghost Unholy Communion burger?

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ninXeno426
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I'm a big heavy metal fan!I think i know what that place is!!!

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ninXeno426
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Now I'm hungry lol

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dk
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Uma's in Chicago. Never been but surely forum members could come up with some interesting.....time for a new thread!

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"Are the books Out of the Shadows, Sea of Sorrow and River of Pain canon?"

I would agree that they are Dr. Curt Connors.

There are obvious inconsistencies when comparing the novels to the films (Alien, Alien: Covenant novels) but there are concepts in Sea of Sorrows that tend toward connecting with what we have seen in the films. Titan Books and 20th Century Fox were involved in the novels too and that helps toward canon in my opinion. 

"I still have Empire Strikes Back towels."

Are they baby blue S.M? I had the curtains and bed set and they were baby blue.

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I liked Out of the Shadows, yet I haven't read the other two yet.  Yea, I know I fell behind.  I got Out of the Shadows when it first hit the bookstores.

Th problem with Out of the Shadows to me is that the fact Ripley seems forced into it.  It does make sense that someone could have found her in space before she was found in Aliens.  I guess it just seems forced to me because I'm so used to believing that she just floated in space for a long time.  I'll probably be reading River of Pain in the common months, so don't spoil me on any info!

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I Moon Girl Out of the Shadows was the best of that trilogy.

Sea of Sorrows is ok, but is just a return to the mine on LV178. Its good but doesn't really offer much more than OotS did. 

I was excited for River of Pain as the story of Hadley's Hope, but to be honest it was pretty lacklustre. Slow burn first act which was great, then it rushed through the action once the shit his the fan.

Introduced a possible new protagonist for the franchise in Demian Brackett who as much reason to fight the Xenomorph as Ripley did...

I was hoping it would be more about Newt's ordeal surviving alone, but it was more a quick recap of what happened before Ripley and the marines arrived  

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for me, what is regarded as canon depends on what source comes first. for example, if certain avengers come together to fight a certain enemy and events unfold in a certain way in the comics but in the movie it differs as in say they use different characters to fight or the outcome is different, then the movie cannot be considered canon as the comic came first. the film is now a reboot or remake in someone elses image.

as for the novels. its hard to say really but id say novels with major differences cant be considered canon like the AC novel imo isn't canon. Daniels is aware of the David/ Walter switch at the end but in the novel she isn't. the movie came first and this is a major story arc for the sequel so for me the novel isn't canon. plus there are 3 face huggers brought onboard by David not the 2 we see in the film. such blatant and obvious differences are either stupidity or its done to make it clear the novel isn't canon. or did AFD have access to an early draft of the script and there were indeed 3 face huggers and Daniels was unaware it was David and the novel was released before he got to make the appropriate changes? if this is the case then Fox shoudlv known better than to allow its release before the changes but it still doesn't affect its outcome. I don't consider the novel canon as the novel contradicts the movie too much and in too many vital and obvious places 

the comics and novels (non movie related) CAN be considered canon by individuals as they happen in their own timeline usually and there isn't much to discredit them as we haven't seen a movie that shows a different set of events that contradict them. river of pain is a prime example. it shows us what happens to Newts parents inside the derelict but as the movie never covers this and no one has said otherwise, surely those events can be considered canon? the only thing that can discredit River of pain is where RS takes the prequels to tie into Alien. if he shows that David for example steals the vessal we all know as the derelict, loads it with eggs and crashes/ lands on LV426, then the events of ROP involving Newts parents within the derelict is discredited and no longer canon as I assume the movie will take priority canon wise. personally I love ROP and would rather have its suggested turn of events to be the case but that's just me.

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