Alien and the religious angle

Seems to be an awful lot read into Covenant.

For mine Resurrection is the best in terms of religious angle, as it's a bit more subtle.

Thank you S.M. if that's a compliment.If not then what do you mean? I agree on The subtly of Resurrection.Understated is better than heavy handed.

What I meant was you seem to be assuming a lot about Covenant.

Yeah, they need to ease up on the religious angle. I'll tell you what else isn't a coincidence: the fact that as religion appreciates in each film, its critical acclaim depreciates.

Prometheus was more critically acclaimed than Alien3 or Resurrection.

I take it all back.

I actually like the religious angle. It turns an otherwise "basic" plot unto something more profound. It's become something we can really think about and debate years after it's released. I like that, it makes the film more than just a film. Prometheus actually seemed to blend science and an overly athiest viewpoint with religious views. I rather liked that approach as it gave weight to both sides of the argument. 

Well S.M. it's really just a theory.There is room for that right?

Of course.

But saying "it is clear" that David and Shaw will be the Adam and Eve in Covenant sound presumptuous.  Is it clear?  I hope not.  The 'shaggy god' trope can often be pretty dodgy.

"I actually like the religious angle. It turns an otherwise "basic" plot unto something more profound."

It can be profound if done right. I'm not sure it was profound in Prometheus, but I liked the fact that Shaw was religious. Contrary to the flak the character continually cops from viewers I think it adds a different dimension to the character, that's often missing in these sorts of films.  Too many think you can't be a scientist and have faith.

Not assuming anything,but you are right about that.

I personally like Shaw as well.Her religion gave her a different feel from Ripley.But that's not my favorite part about her.

I do have an issue with heavy handed religious themes in sci fi.It flat out ruined shows like BattleStar Galactica and Stargate Universe.Though SGU was crap to begin with.If it can be handled well then it's okay.Just so long as it doesn't become too preachy.

It depends on whether it's part of the story or part of a character.

I suppose.The shows i mentioned were heavily featured in the story.

I could never get into Stargate (despite liking the film) or BSG (despite liking the original series).

Stargate film is superior to The shows,SG1 is good though.I'm in the 1st season of Battlestar and it's boring the hell out me.So much for the "greatest sci fi show of all time."That's of topic though.

Still it appears the Alien franchise is getting deeper and deeper into religion.Of course this is nothing new to Ridley Scott,just see Kingdom of Heaven and Exodus:Gods and Kings.

For non religious fans, the religious angle can be an eye rolling experience. It might be better to keep the concepts to the human condition. Observing Shaw throwing a fit in her condition when David grabbed her crucifix was almost laughable.

dk I think her throwing a fit was more of her stepping up to a personal violation and jumping in his a$$ about it.  Gotta teach the good droid his boundaries kinda like children.  They always push them to see how far they can get.

I think the intent was to show her holding on to faith.

"It might be better to keep the concepts to the human condition."

How is religion not part of the human condition?

"Observing Shaw throwing a fit in her condition when David grabbed her crucifix was almost laughable."

She was waking up from passing out (presumably) after watching her boyfriend get incinerated while being consumed by an alien contagion, and someone is fiddling around with her throat.

What's laughable?

It is a learned part of the human condition. Not biological or natural. Show empirical evidence otherwise. I will wait.

Wouldn't a learned part of the human condition still, by definition, be part of the human condition?

I think I see your point, but that part really has no effect on the human condition for basic survival and life- the Xeno cannot be prayed away for instance. A problem with going in a religious direction with scifi is it can seem pretty preachy.

Had a feeling this one would get ugly lol.All good points though.

Thanks nin. You knowingly instigated this. Now take on a political thread and really see some fireworks lol!

We like what we like.

"I think I see your point, but that part really has no effect on the human condition for basic survival and life- the Xeno cannot be prayed away for instance. "

True, but someone's faith may influence how far they are willing to go in order to survive and where lines are that might not be crossed.

I sort of did.Thankfully it died before it could get any where.As soon as Trump was mentioned i shut it down.

I will admit this one has gotten a bit carried away lol.

The thing is that faith is not fact. One could attribute faith for achieving great things or how far they will go to survive- but it really comes from inside with sheer will. Shaw bore a Christian cross- an individual who said to turn the other cheek and accepted his fate- to hastily paraphrase the New Testament.