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What do you Like/dislike about Elizabeth Shaw?

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ninXeno426

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I don't think there is a more polarizing character in the Alien universe.She frequently takes a beating from us fans for various reasons,including her faith,her naivety,and her pursuit for answers.It's gotten so bad a lot of us openly wish death on her and hope for nothing but the worse in Alien Covenant.But what exactly did she do to deserve so much wrath?If anything she should have had our sympathies right?She already came from a background with both her parents deceased,but it doesn't end there.We also learn she is incapable of bearing children(not naturally any way.)Through out Prometheus she loses her boyfriend to infection,gets an emergency c-section to remove the trilobite,is attacked by an engineer and becomes,along with David,the last survivor of the Prometheus.So where did she go wrong?I personally like her,after all as just said she went through a lot and came out the other side,perhaps a little beaten,bloodied,and bruised but alive all the same.If that's not a survivor than i don't know what is.So tell what you think,what do you like about her,what do you dislike.Of course i expect complete honesty,so no need to hold back.

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ninXeno426
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Lol Suwhited!I could have told you that about him lol!

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"Definitely a good change of pace of what we normally see out of Bollywood..."

I think I'd prefer Aishwarya or Kajol. :)

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@nin. you're right. I should have read the fine print in the pre-nup...

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Lol,so do you get half of everything?

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Firstly, Rapace is a fine actor. After all, her performance in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo trilogy landed her name on Ridley Scott's desk.

I don't know which genius decided she needed to impersonate a British person -- what's wrong with the character being Swedish (or generally Scandinavian)? Also the script was diabolical; plot points, motivations; dialogue - the whole 9 yards.

I echo what others have said: I am irritated by the kinds of people who praise a god for all things wonderful, but refuse to blame that god for all things horrible. Shaw seems to epitomise that type of creature.

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@nin. yes

I get diddly divided by squat. I also get a 12 month subscription of "Assclownery" digest.

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@stan

Why are you are irratated by people that think differently that you? It's diversity. I for one am glad that people in this world have all kinds of differing experiences, beliefs, thoughts, and ways of doing things.

I would hate to live in a world where everyone thinks the way I think they should...Wick Wick Whack.... 

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Lol thanks for having good humor about this Suwhited.

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Stan Winston (deceased)
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Because it's hard to tolerate people who say cancer sufferers should stop medication and pray to a higher power for forgiveness, or somebody who believes disabled people are the consequence of their actions in a previous life. I am irritated by these people. And to tie it back to topic, I am irritated by Shaw proclaiming our 'gods' want us to go visit, based on a couple of stick men and 5 stars.

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@stan. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. 

I have learned in life that if I want people to tolerate me and my beliefs, I have to tolerate others and their beliefs. I have too many friends and golfing buddies who have views diametrically opposed to me. We just learn to respect each other and don't take things personal.

part of the huge division we have in America right now is because both sides of the aisle think their way of thinking is the only way to think. Not good as it can lead to dangerous and close minded behavior.

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I think if you do not challenge all ideas - always, then you risk the same growth of dangerous and close-minded behaviors. I'm not advocating that different schools of thought be gagged and suppressed, but rather they be scrutinized and critiqued. Only then can bad ideas die away and good ideas stay. And I think this forum is a fine example of how to debate ideas and opinions.

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I like her.

She seems innocent, albeit naïve.  She clings tightly to her faith/belief system, but her inquisitive and knowledge seeking personality just makes her likable to me.

She also seems to look at the best in people - to me, Holloway came off as a major douche-pickle but her innocence seemed to see past that.

 

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@stan. fair enough.

However, to be certain, too many people approach "challenging an idea" as "I have got to get rid of it"  because they have already formulated in their mind it is a bad idea. A lot of People nowadays tend to think their own ideas are "good" and things they don't agree with or like as "bad". Thats too simplistic. 

True challenge requires understanding other's point of view. To effectively do that you have to see things through others own eyes without the clouding of your own lens (thoughts).

A lot of deep controversial thinking but its why I am able to work with, be friends, and help so many different types of people. It's not about me.

Enough of all that... If I run into you one day, we'll have a beer together and maybe play a round of golf..

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A bothersome thing about the movie was that the mission seemed ultimately greenlit because of a choice to believe- they found similar drawings from different cultures at different times and decided it was an invitation and didn't even discuss the possibility it might mean anything else.

 

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@dk - Maybe it was actually a distress call and not an invitation.

"Ya'll are still primitive as you can get, but one day, as you evolve and can come help us....come help us, because we are boned", or something along those lines.

Maybe all those murals were directions/instructions on how to reach the stars to help some galactic agenda?

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@Nycro- Possibly, but it in practice it played out as an invitation to be killed.

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@dk. I considered that. What was "Amazing" was that the plotline had Weyland funding this whole traveling smorgasbord based off so scant evidence.

Considering that (most) business don't hand out huge amounts of money unless the legitimately feel that they will make a good return on the money. This by itself makes me think Weyland knew more than what was indicated. 

Maybe Weyland want the innocence of Dr. Shaw aboard to counter the programmed malevolance the mission...?

 

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She just had some flawed written Character Attributes, but there was potential for the horrors she witnessed in Prometheus and then further Home Truths she could find on the way to Paradise or on Paradise herself could really have made her change into a interesting Character.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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suwhited

I don't know what you mean by programmed malevolence.

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ninXeno426
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In the quiet eyes viral video,she more or less convinced Peter Weyland will her beliefs.I believe he granted her wishes only because he he's his own agenda.Were it not for him,they may have never believed her and the mission would have never happened.

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