What really caused Ashes Meltdown in Alien?

Hi Rick :)

Ash appeared to malfunction after the confrontation with Ripley. It may have caused him to blow a few circuits, or chip damage, certainly seemed that way to me.

Whether from the force of Ripleys slamming him into the wall, or her physical attack caused a robotic arousal and he blew some circuits! He began to sweat 'milk'. That could explain the porno mag fellatio attempt on Ripley! ;)

However, he knew she was suspicious of his motives. She confronted him about letting the crew back on board, tried to get Dallas to stop him from keeping the facehugger specimen, questioned his scientific inability to get further than "collating" when it came to dealing with the Alien, then discovered his special order. He considered her a threat to his directive of obtaining a specimen, therefore she needed to be eliminated.

From ALIEN The Weyland-Yutani Report:

Ash was designated to be fully loyal to Company interests.

Ash was unable to procure a Xenomorph specimen as directed. The company line, following Ripley’s deposition was that Ash misinterpreted orders, in fact the AP functioned properly and appropriately and, even after its injury at the hands of the Nostromo's crew, worked to obtain a specimen right up until its disconnection.

Ash’s attack on the Nostromo’s crew was not out of keeping with the specificity of Company orders. The Company was able to blame Ash’s behaviour on a design flaw, there was no secondary backup for the magnetic synapse chamber in the “brain”.

COMPANY NOTE: Ash was indeed following orders, it might have been able to carry them out, if not for the interference of crew members.

DAVID 8 AND ASH: HUMAN-LIKE APS WITH NO LIFE PROTECTION PROTOCOLS.

When you say Bishop 2, you're referring to Lance Heinrickson at the end of Alien 3 right?  He was also Weyland in AVP but that isn't considered canon. I can't recall Alien 3 that well did he identify himself in that movie?

SteveRogers1973, he did. Here's the dialogue from the scene where they interact down in the furnace (credit to the Alien 3 wiki for the dialogue).....

"I'm sure it's been debated that Bishop 2 was an android."

It has been debated, yes. But with overwhelming evidence that he's human, it's always been rather one sided.

S.M

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the debate as being over.  I've been keen on the idea that Bishop 2 could be an infiltration droid(red vs milk).  Who on earth can take a hit like that to the back of the head, have your ear just hanging there flapping around and still be able to move and have a conversation?

Scott stated in the extras on the Alien Anthology that the Ash attack sequence was meant to explore the idea of whether robots could experience sexuality. 

To me, the part where Ash rolls up the magazine and shoves it into Ripley's mouth was totally a Hitchcockian "train into the tunnel" moment. Perhaps Ash was sexually incompetent (or impotent) on account of he's, you know, a robot, and maybe the magazine was the next best thing for him. Note that, before he does this, he takes a good hard look at all the nudies hanging on the walls.

The dripping milk is also less-than-subtle. What other male fluid is white and milky? Not to mention he's sweating it (you might say he "had the hots for her"). Then later, with the weird faces while Ripley was struggling, and eventually throwing up milk...I think we all get the point. 

So yeah...Ripley was raped, guys. Which shouldn't be surprising as this idea fits in perfectly with the universe. Lambert was ostensibly raped by the xeno. Kane was raped by the facehugger, which - according to the producers, if I'm not mistaken - was meant to tap into the male fear of oral rape. It might be Freudian folk psychology and of course BS, but the broader point is that the  sexuality invoked throughout the film was intended to make people uncomfortable. 

This all makes me even more intrigued by David's character. He obviously had a huge crush on Shaw in Prometheus, especially with the stalking and what not. Also, note that he chose to infect Holloway of all people. Granted, this was probably part experimentation/part revenge on Holloway for being such a racist to him, but I always liked to think that David saw it as doing Shaw a favor. You know, ridding her of her deadbeat boyfriend, Sling-Blade style. Plus, it's just cuter that way.

That being said, I feel like it's is out of character for David to mutilate Shaw like he allegedly does in A:C. However, this would further his parallels with Ash, as he'd now be the 2nd robot to attempt to forcibly gain access to a pretty female lead's lady parts. 

It's all a very rapey enterprise, this whole thing. But I digress.

Anyway, my two cents. 

I think that he realizes his mission is jeopardized by Ripley finding out about The secret order 937. She starts the physical stuff and he responds.  He then starts making weird jibber jabber noises (off screen)  which I think is an indication of conflict between protecting humans and harming them. As in one of Asimov's rules.

chadsbrothermatt  is correct. The whole episode has an overtly sexual overtone. Ash, who is apparently incapable of sex (Ridley Scott is quoted in "The ALIEN Vault" p. 75 as saying of the berserk-Ash scene that "It's the closest he ever gets to a sexual relationship"), nonetheless has developed some sort of sexual drive or desire. So, unable to have actual sex, he shoves a rolled-up magazine (pornographic, no less!) down Ripley's throat. Interesting that he imitates not human sex but facehugger "sex." As a third party to Kane's "impregnation," standing aside as the little devil shoves its ovipositor down the man's throat, it's apparently all he can relate to or imitate.

This notion that emotion-less androids do indeed develop emotions is touched upon again (quite heavily) in Scott's "Blade Runner." There's a scene where Deckard (who Scott believes to be a Replicant--and I agree unless/until 2049 proves otherwise) coerces Rachel into having sex with him. (Although later in the movie it's obvious that she has developed an attachment to him as he has to her--like Roy and Pris have done during their all-too-short existence).

Flash forward three decades, and this whole idea of androids-developing-emotions/sexual-desire is seen again in "Prometheus." I agree with chadsbrothermatt--it is readily apparent that David has developed an infatuation with Shaw. And in regards to the "android rapist" theme--it's technically one of the first things we see in the film. David essentially "rapes" Shaw, at least psychologically, when he penetrates her dreams and looks into the depths of her private subconscious mind. Afterwards, he's almost obsessed with her.  He can hardly keep his hands off her when she awakens from cryosleep, and he always seems to be looking in her direction when she's not looking his way.

And when he finds and tells her that she's pregnant, he sounds less like a robot telling a human counterpart of her medical condition and more like a man who's found himself cuckolded by an inferior rival. Later, when he's merely a disembodied head lying on the ruined Engineer craft's floor, he looks terrified when Shaw doesn't immediately answer him.

What will this mean for Ridley's next SF filim? Will these themes continue?

Fassbender, in a recent interview, indicated that there's a "bond" between Shaw and David in "Covenant" (although this could well be a red herring).

I reckon "Covenant" will continue the themes seen in Alien, Blade Runner, and Prometheus; of androids developing rudimentary emotional responses of their own, although whether it will be more rape-y, like Ash with Ripley, or more affectionate, like Roy and Pris, will remain to be seen.

"I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the debate as being over.  I've been keen on the idea that Bishop 2 could be an infiltration droid(red vs milk).  Who on earth can take a hit like that to the back of the head, have your ear just hanging there flapping around and still be able to move and have a conversation?"

I didn't dismiss it as being over - just one sided.  One could present all the evidence for him being human (including people who've suffered worse attacks than Bishop did), but the debate will never be over as long as there are people who postulate that he could've coloured his blood red.