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Nycro

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No, not A:C...Pretty sure it's going to knock peoples socks off with it's awesomeness.

I've had lots of time lately to think about aliens as a whole. 

Not the franchise, Actual Aliens.  Eventually, if people of earth find some evidence of E.T. life in the great beyond, you know what?  I will be fully disappointed.

I can preemptively feel my response for the great eventual announcement from NASA.

"Wow, aliens exist...wait, no facehuggs? no xeno? no giant eggs to use to mess with people?  Eh, not impressed"

I can't be the only one who is saddened by the thought that if we do find aliens, it won't be a xeno. 

This is the single thing that would soften the blow of that kind of discovery for me.

 

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The sad reality is if alien life forms were to actually be discovered, they would likely be nothing more than single-celled organisms in a little puddle on Mars. Yawn.

What's the story, MUTHUR?

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Its one of the great unknowns.

Yes it takes a lot of things to all fit together to allow for complex life on Earth, but with the odds very slim.

We also have to remember the Universe is so vast, that the chances of Life like or similar to Earth has to be GREAT!

This does not have to mean Alien Species as Advanced as Humans, but i think the size of the Universe i cant see us as being unique... not as far as more basic Life.

Bacteria, Insects, Sea Life etc...

However how vast the Universe is, the chances of Life Forms from TWO or many more Worlds ever crossing paths has to be next to 0

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Yes, one day we will meet another advanced alien life form.

I hope they will have peaceful intentions with us :)

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@Movie fan Unfortunately, if we do encounter intelligent, peaceful life, they will more likely be handled like in "The Arrival" than in any other more congenial manner.

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I believe that there are Aliens out there... But they are exactly like us because they were spying on us ... I believe they are a tiny bit more advanced, more civilized and non confrontational to a certain point... This idea is a vital element of this story i am currently writing... I dont think that xenomorphs exist. That would be preposterous

Cleaner than Earth Actually

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Aliens have been found, fungus was found growing on materials that had been in orbit, must be one hell of a cosmic mushroom.

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Space shrooms... Killer high/mutating  if you ask me 

Cleaner than Earth Actually

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The intelligent life out in space wants nothing to do with us.  We're too narrow/single minded and savage a race to be dealt with face/face.  So I am sure they deal with us from "minimum safe distance".

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The chances of finding a species or civilization MORE advanced than us are pretty slim. If they are anywhere close to us they likely would have found us by now. It is possible that a more advanced civilization could have existed thousands or millions of years ago nearby but has since died out, at the time when earth had nothing more than dinosaurs. 

Maybe more advanced life lives somewhere very far away. In a distant galaxy, something so far away that even the most advanced technology couldn't bridge the vast expanse of space.

 

I think it is entirely plausible that some of these nearby exoplanets do have life. But the most advanced form will probably be noting more than a simple animal. Maybe something like fish or lizards.

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I also think it is somewhat too simplistic to say something like an Alien race would have no interest in us because we are "savage". Keep in mind that the Earth is not all about humans. There are millions of species, plethoras of plant and sea life. Our planet is absolutely teeming with life. You're telling me an outside entity would not be interested in that?

Life is not an easy thing to obtain. It took our planet millenniums to generate life and we can tell from our solar system that life is a pretty rare phenomenon in the universe. So naturally things that obtain life must fight for it. That is the whole basis of our planet from millions of years ago to now. It is a competition to survive, to obtain resources. Would other planets that have had the same fortune as Earth to have life be any different? Life would still be precious and a fight on other planets as well. Our "savagery" would not be something unique among life in the universe.

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I would be quite happy if a new extra terrestrial lifeform wasn't an Alien.

Them things are nasty as.

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Well said, Utah_CUtiger!  What might be considered "modern" to one culture, may be thought of as "primitive" by another.

Societies can develop along different lines depending on the environment & available natural resources.  When civilization collapses, that's when things get truly savage and cannibalism happens.  Lack of resources can lead to very "savage" acts.

Miss Vickers was hoping these so-called "Engineers" were a bunch of dirty savages living in caves, but their culture is perhaps neither more modern nor more primitive than W-Y's corporate culture.  Humanity can be just as "savage" as the Engineers, because they're essentially humans, like us, and each species is in a competition for resources.  "No man needs nothing," so the Engineers learned how to farm the soil at some point after leaving the hunter-gather and/or nomadic stage.  Or they might have even skipped hunting and gathering altogether (if cultural evolutionists on Earth are wrong about needing to go through that stage first).  Either way, I think Engineers planted the wheat and domesticated the wild plants long before their civilization collapsed:  the ones who recently planted the wheat were knocked back to the stone age by the ALIEN when the fire grew out of control.

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This is a good debate, because well its something we cant 100% prove or disprove... we cant know if there is or is not Life out there that is like us...  we could indeed see a whole Star Trek Universe of Lifeforms... but i think they would have to be spread about much further apart....  The Chances of this seem Slim, but cant be ruled out either way.

Then we have the Theories and Conspiracies about Aliens visiting Earth, and the Ancient Astronaut theories too.

Its all open to debate, and until YOU and ME Personally see it with our own eyes, we cant 100% deny it or prove it.

I think its HIGHLY likely that Life is out there, i cant 100% prove it, its just Mathematically very likely..  even if its as far as microbes or basic life like we have in the most inhospitable places on Earth.

All you need is a World with some degree of Water, some degree of a few common Gases and a Atmosphere and then it does not matter how inhospitable this place is.. it could be far worse than LV-223 but that does not rule out more basic life than those Worms on LV-223

Take Tardigrades for instance, they can survive in the most hostile environments on Earth, from the Most Barren Deserts, to the Antarctic they can even survive the vacuum of space.

I think the potential for Worlds and Moons to have habitats as Hostile as the most inhabitable places on Earth, could potentially be Large.  And so the potential for Life Forms like Tardigrades or even more Basic has to be likely.

There are even theories that Life was brought to Earth by Comments and other impact events as basic lifeforms or even basic amino acids and building blocks.

If this is so, is such a event so are that only Earth was the only place just impacts bringing the start of life could happen?

Chances are if True, such impacts could hit Worlds that simply offer no way these can evolve into even basic life..... but then between such totally dead, baron Worlds and our Earth is a whole host of potential environments that may not be suitable to evolve complex life like we have in the variety we have on Earth.

But there is the potential for Worlds to be able to support something basic.

But we are bound by the laws of Psychics and this is the greatest drawback, so we could find potential life bearing worlds but never know how much life they have if any unless we can send Probes and People..

And for the mean time this only limits us to finding life within our own Solar System and at best as far as the Oort Cloud

And even then we are most likely to find Life from outside our Solar System as it floats into our Solar System from Comments and other Space Bodies that enter our inner solar system from beyond this region.

So Sadly even if there is a Mr Spock waiting to be found 100's of Light Years away.... Chances are We or They will never be able to Travel the Distances required.

Space is just so Vast... and until we can not only Break the Speed of Light but Smash way past it to Speeds of 50X or more then we will be very restricted to ever meeting other Life especially Intelligent.

But this does not rule out the possibility that it is out there.

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"The chances of finding a species or civilization MORE advanced than us are pretty slim. If they are anywhere close to us they likely would have found us by now"

Even if this was True, and they existed we do kind of have to ask how would they react, and i guess a way to Answer that would be how would we React?

If we managed in 100 years to be able to Travel as they can in the Alien Franchise and we find a Earth like World with a Humanoid ish Life that seem intelligent as far as say Cave Men or even as far as building Straw Huts and Stone Tools.

Would NASA actually go down and introduce ourselves, would we get involved with their cultures and teach them things, would they see us as Gods and would we accept this, or try and disprove its not the case... it would be very hard, especially if we can not communicate with them.

So i guess indeed when we ask how would Aliens view us, i think we need to ask what would we do in the same situation.

Would we just leave them alone, and i think previous experiences would add to how we would deal with others, so any Alien Civilization that has traveled the Stars and been to other Races on other Worlds, would interact with us or choose not to. based of how previous attempts to contact other Worlds went with these Aliens.

This off course is totally Hypothetical

As far as UFO's Actually Go, i have seen a few things that make me wonder LOL

One of them was pretty clear, but alas the Dudley Dorito is maybe just a Secret Advanced Stealth Craft ;)

I can off course share my sightings for those interested, which happened in 1996

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Nobel Prize-winner Sir Francis Crick: “The origin of life appears to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to be satisfied to get it going.”

Evolution says that lighting hit dirt and made amino acids and eventually became Ronald Reagan and his challenges with Russia in a cold war dispute. And social media. All from dirt. Evolution supposedly can explain how we began as dirt and then we could vote. Ha, and Evolution has no time for miracles.

Scottish chemist A.G. Cairns-Smith popularized this theory, yet admitted in 1991 that “no one has been able to coax clay into something resembling evolution in a laboratory; nor has anyone found anything resembling a clay-based organism in nature.”

The above bold print is called "faith" in regards to Evolution theory. Nothing else Evolved out there in space...if there is something in space, it was manifested and don't bet on it being your friend.

If something comes down from space and they say "Hello friend" and you believe it's intentions then that is the greatest act of faith in your explanation of the unknown. It is unknown if there are aliens but if something shows up, why believe what it says?

If something comes down from space and it isn't an Angel, be ready to kill it because you have a serpent on your property.

 

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"how would we React?"

Unfortunately, I think those in power would likely perceive a threat and act accordingly. If we discovered intelligent life abroad, I would think we would stay at a distance as not to be perceived as a threat.

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I think our curiosity and need for discovery would eventually overwhelm our fear if we ever did find life on other planets. Colonists exploring the new world back in the day went headlong into the unknown. Mankind is afraid of the unknown but at the same time we embrace it. I doubt we could resist interacting for very long

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@Utah_CUTiger

They say curiosity killed the cat, but Jonesy instinctively knew to hide in the lockers when it comes to the ALIEN.  Mankind is a very curious type of creature that often plays with fire...

In the ALIEN:  Isolation video game, Ripley's daughter figured out that hiding in lockers is sometimes an effective survival strategy.  Newt is smaller than Amanda and was always able to find better hiding places than the other kids at Hadley's Hope.  The best advice Newt could give the Covenant crew is to hide, because running and screaming never really works when you're playing a game of cat and mouse.

It's like that one episode of Rick & Morty where they incept the teacher's dreams.  People in horror movies always say "you can run, but you can't hide."  Well, in this case, you have the option to hide.  Only run if you need to, and don't scream if you can help it.  In space, and in your dreams, no one can hear your screams.  At a certain point, screaming became useless to Newt because there was nobody left to hear her.

@Ingeniero

You bring up an excellent point about the scientists not being able to create life from nothing.  If you believe the myths, then Prometheus somehow managed to forge humanity from clay...

We can observe certain evolutionary processes happening over many generations; however, we can't really prove how it all began.  Even Darwin got stuff wrong.  The archaeologists who study the fossil remains are acutely aware of holes in our evolutionary theories.  Many early hominid lines were capable of interbreeding:  it’s sometimes difficult to determine where one species ends and another begins.  There's evidence of Neanderthal DNA in the human genome, which is only possible if they were interbreeding.  How close do lines need to be to interbreed?  Most hybrids are unable to reproduce via natural means.  This is possibly part of the reason Dr. Shaw didn't want to discuss the evolutionary biology behind her thesis with Millburn, who was most likely following the "splitter" school of thought (due to his "expertise" in phylogenetics).

Millburn learned that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny," yet he had no practical field experience with it.  During a certain stage of embryonic development, the developing organism possesses gills and resembles a Newt.  This is a throwback to an earlier stage in our evolution, which appears briefly before the child's gender is determined.  Rebecca Jorden’s parents asked not to know the gender of their child and started calling her Newt shortly after she was conceived.  Lambert’s parents, on the other hand, asked Weyland-Yutani to switch around Lambert’s gender prior to her birth -- since they always wanted a girl.  In the beginning, it didn’t matter if Ripley’s character was male or female.  She was conceived in such a way that her gender could go either way:  sex was undetermined.

Fifield and Millburn spent a little time arguing over whether the Hammerpede was male or female (you really think that thing’s a she), which potentially becomes important later.  We don't know just how important sex/gender is yet.  It plays a central role in everything, rather than being random.  In Alien 3, the parasite moves behind her eyes and influences Ripley's mind in subtle ways to increase her desire to sleep with the doctor while infected with the Queen.  The other males at the prison were all freaks with double Y chromosomes.  The Queen only really requires one X and one Y chromosome (which it can get from Clemens). The company had to kill Hicks and isolate the Queen in the prison as part of a top secret experiment, but they never intended to drown Newt.  W-Y apologizes for that. 

The Trilobite is an evolutionary throwback:  it's the last common ancestor of the separate evolutionary branches of the facehugger's DNA.  We're about to find out the hard way that evolution is more of a branching process than a linear progression from one line to the next.  Gods don't build in straight lines; therefore, Ridley's approaching the events of ALIEN in a non-linear way.  It’s unlikely that David ends up creating the classic xeno the way people are expecting...

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"Unfortunately, I think those in power would likely perceive a threat and act accordingly"

This is a very good point, if we was to get visitors from Space, a lot depends on who these Aliens choose to address, we as a world are not united, and so it would be which Governments would have which Agenda and what actions would they take and under hand tactics to be the ONES who deal with the event of Alien Visitors and so indeed its only if the world was to become ONE NATION  a One World Order so to speak then things would be more Simple.... and so when we and if we ever get visited or if we visit Alien Worlds and find Life, its really a case of does the Group who discover Earth or the Earth Group who Discover Aliens..  and if this GROUP speaks for their whole Race Agenda.

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@CarynDelacroix

Fascinating Reply ;)

Indeed there are Holes in Religion and Evolution and when you try and find common matches between every Mythos and Religion instead of assuming that One Particular one is Correct and then try and see how it fits with Evolution and its flaws... Then indeed we do come to like how Ridley Scott said... "that Life maybe need a Helping Hand"

As far as the rest of your post this is what i found was very interesting... Indeed Sex could play a Key Role.... as far as the Hammerpedes if they are taken from similarities to Worms on Earth then there is a very good chance they are Hermaphrodites and cant Procreate on their own, they need another of its kind..... and hence maybe why we see TWO Hammerpedes.

If Hammerpedes are like most Worms, then TWO of them would mate and BOTH of them would have Fertilized Eggs

I think some of the points you make are also why i made a Topic a while back about the Significance of Females within Context to the Franchise and its links to Engineers and Gods Mythos.

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