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Do you think the biblical connections are a bit too much?

Don Digimon Farrakhan Magic Juan

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So in a nutshell, Shaw is basically the Virgin Mary who gives birth similar to the whole immaculate conception tale in the bible right? Mary gave birth to the son of "god" and Shaw likewise wasn't carrying a "traditional fetus" as David put it.

Then of course it happens to be Christmas when Xeno-Jesus is born, and so on and so fourth. Considering all the connections Ridley admits tying into the Prometheus/Covenant films, is it going to be anywhere near validated when it catches up to Alien? Cause im pretty sure the 1979 Ridley/Giger dive into the S&M occult violation of bodies world set in outer space didn't have many nods to bible in it.

Where can this religion angle go if its supposed to lead into Alien?

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@Raido

The Source i had did mention a few things in regards to Paradise Lost connection.

They said in context to Paradise Lost/Prometheus connection the following.

*The Punishment that was conducted to some of the Fallen Angels (Changing them into Serpents etc) actually leads them to freedom from Bondage.

*Without Sin there would be No Xenomorph, by Sin i assume they mean Satans Daughter within the Poem.

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Why thank you, Don Digimon! I am thinking of limiting my thesis to Scott's SF films, although I have been tempted to examine some of his others as well. Good point with Black Hawk Down; it's been a while since I watched it, I'll have to pick it up again.

Interesting that your Source mentioned Satan's daughter, Big Dave. When I read that sequence I was simultaneously wondering if there'd be a connection to Shaw's rumored fate in Covenant. Depending on the extent they take it--if indeed the filmmakers do so--the result could be fantastically disturbing. Sprung from Lucifer's mind like Athena from Zeus', Sin conceives by incest with her father and births Death. But Death is born via tearing through her entrails (48). In horror she flees, but she is raped by Death--her own progeny!--and thus again gives birth, this time to hell-hounds. These infernal creatures retreat back into her innards and devour her entrails when they're hungry, and then come "bursting forth/Afresh with conscious terrors vex me round,/That rest or intermission none I find." She and her progeny are condemned to guard Hell. And of course one of the taglines for Covenant reads "The path to Paradise begins in Hell..."

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Glad you pondered that connection to Raido we dont have to make each connection as Literal, but maybe loosely, and so maybe David is our Lucifer of this tale?

So maybe yes Shaw could connect to Sin, i had made posts on this a long time ago after the Source mentioned this connection.

And indeed Sin is constantly in labor with the Hounds of Hell, constantly giving birth.  Sin is described as being Part Human Female and Part Serpent.

She (Sin) is depicted and described a lot like the Greek Monster Echidna and Echidna is the Mother to the Hounds that Guard the Gates of Hades, she is also Mother to many other Monsters most Serpentine and includes the Gorgons and also she is the Mother/Creator of the very Eagle that is sent down to Punish Prometheus by eating his Liver every day.

So maybe there is a connection in this?

The Source did mention over 2 years ago that Shaws role would be smaller, but she plays a BIG part in the Plot (David wanting to play God and Create Life himself).   The Source claimed she would Technically Not Die...

And so who knows.. i guess maybe time will tell.

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I think its great there is so much symbolism going on with these prequels that are left so open to interpretation. It has all us going about researching history, biblical stories and symbolism, science, myths and legends etc.

Whether it was intentional or not (and with RS it likely is to some degree) we will all have a much better experience with this story because of it. Much more so than some two dimension throw-away fan service film.

Counting down the days now!

 

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Indeed, and i hope they will choose to follow on with this..

But i do worry they are brushing it under the carpet, to show case the Xenomorph and Eventually Ripley.

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@Don

Yeah I feel it. I wasn't trying to suggest that you personally have a problem with the religious symbolism, just some Prometheus fans in general.

And I definitely get what you mean about wishing these movies would develop organically instead of trying to force the story to end a certain way. It's like starting with an answer and then trying to develop the question afterwards.

And you're right, Alien never asked the questions Prometheus did. The only real connecting theme I see is the "indifference of the universe". But, one could also argue that the subject of aliens inevitably leads to the discussion of the creation of the universe, mankind, etc...

I wonder if Ridley Scott even planned on connecting them at first?... like in the early stages of Prometheus's development?

But regardless, here we are. But I honestly think they can/will connect them in a clever way. Also, I think the religious factor will fade as we get closer to the first Alien... because the main things holding up the religious aspect was Shaw and the Prometheus film itself. So if Shaw is gone, and they start focusing more on the aliens and less on the Engineers, it will naturally form into a subject that is more akin to the first Alien.

Or I could be wrong and they could focus more heavily on the Engineers, or possibly beings that are more powerful than the Engineers... beings that might actually BE gods. Who knows. But I'm excited for the journey.

I have faith that they will connect them cleverly. At least I hope so. They have some pretty big expectations to meet. I hope the connection is something awe inspiring, rather than something where people are like "that's all it is?!". Of course there will always be people like that, and there will undoubtedly be people with expectations that are too high, so I'm trying to keep my own expectations in check. But like I said, I have faith and I think they'll do something cool and clever with it.

 

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Maybe just to drop everybody's jaw we'll come to learn that during the journey to paradise, the brief encounter Shaw had with the goo manifested by causing her to turn albino and lose all her hair. She convinced David to drop her off around the corner from the flea market or drum circle so she could try to ask some questions before David goes HAM. However when she appears, she's basically swarmed and carried away as some prophecy since the boys all popped out of some incubator or test tube and have only heard myths and legends about the opposite sex. So a pale bald Shaw was like LV-426's Next Top Model mixed with the 5th element. David figures she's screwed either figuratively or literally and smirks.

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