SPOILER ALERT- Faris

I think Faris do stupid things in crew. Who is talking before about crew tensions -- someone will do stupidly things and potential dead person for alien will hunt, etc in others topic here.

Also i can bet to for crew members, it must be their first mission on action…

Anyway, baby Neomoprh looks so powerful. And Walter why so frozen! It do nothing when saw 2nd alien just past away… He do not catch it, or shut it, or rope it… Just seen alien gone away. 

And after i reading this, why Faris not infected when spray blood on her face? And Karine when neomorph thorn is cut her fingers…

Why Karine do not nothing with knife? 

Why nobody run to drop ship make something emergency, why others did not carry infected member, why if Dainiels just look at background?

Funny part, a boot shut can away baby neomorph but knife do nothing? Or window can not stop it? Really funny...

A lot of stupidly thing had in 10-min video.  

In Prometheus looking science story something but in this look just Aliens everywhere and blood. And always wonder -- why this creatures so aggressive and attacked?

Sparkz Walter's reaction was just about identical to Ash's in the chest burst scene. Makes me wonder...

I point to a phrase from another (amazing) film, that this trip should have been a trip for sheepdogs ready to deal with whatever wolves they encounter.  Leave the sheep at home.

dk -- I do not agree that, i thing Walter do not know about Aliens something. If Walter care members life, help for they etc. he must be attention first for this. Not for alien. Also we seen on "Last Supper" for Walter he cares member and helped they. But on this scene he do not nothing.

Yes a lot of thing seems reference to Alien 1979, but this 10-min look like Alien Resurrection shit. Creatures look like so effective. Yes i thrill in panic and gore action but i wonder to learn much more about Engineers, Xenomorph etc. Not to see so much differ creatures... not to want see a stupid crew who gone to eat by Alien. We seen it before lot.

And off topic, but what kind stupidly scenes on Dr. Shaw and David repair scenes. Dr. Shaw's truly changed hair,  like- Cher's black long hair, (colour also differ) and how David's hair grew and beard not? After they left with juggernaut maybe Dr. Shaw gone a hairdresser...

 Spearfish

Interesting indeed. This is perhaps the case as the 2000 colonists could easily be breeders as opposed to leaders (sorry, I couldn't resist). Yes the colonists are likely the sheep of the mission and the crew the sheepdogs. 

The question is, what characteristics make up a sheep dog in this film's present day society?

Also Faris looked door like Ripley do not open door to Kane's back... Guarantee rules. By the way why nobody do-not-panic in unexpected things? They will be teach something in space if they see something alien type, etc. They carries guns but not knowing how to use.

Sparkz- Shaw's hair grew over time and should have been longer after a decade actually imo. Maybe androids don't have facial hair except for eye brows? Good observation. I don't like the mental picture of David with a Gandolf beard.

dk -- But EMPIRE magazine picture have a long hair David :-)) Anyway i know hair is grow but totally colour not change. If change it begins in deep. But Shaw's hair is copper tone in Prometheus not black. 

I had great expectations when AC in production, but after seen this trailers, prologues, i had no expectation. Just wonder how act Walter and David -- who they seen on same picture with flute. And what David do on eggs etc.

But with everybody also i wonder un-answered question but AC look like action, gore, blood, blood, blood.

I stated some time ago that they both should have been left in orbit.  But if trolling, sheepdogs are not gender specific, and I'm pretty sure trained-up/gtg ladies can breed.  Point being that what I witnessed was not what I expected.  Taking your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband/add whatever mix I missed, to the surface because it's exciting and new is NOT what you do. 

To answer your question, some of the  characteristics are:

First aid trained - I want a combat medic.

Physical apptitude - can you carry me?  No - well then stay behind.

Experience under stress/duress - operate fire controls under physical stress?  Breathing control and focus are skills, not luck.

Hand to hand fighting.  Probably Krav Maga or the like.

Weapons training and tactics.  Maybe to include an understanding of what happens when you fire upon a gas cylinder?  And how to shoulder a rifle?

Preparation and readiness.  Why were they not wearing at least a sidearm and knife?  LOL.

Understanding of the major weakness of a biological being - biological attack...Wear a helmet/suit until you assess what is in the air?

And on and on...

It's not a documentary.

Faris behaved in a normal manner.

The events that we are shown - escalate very quickly.

These clips I believe are edited..there may be some time  and shots that we have not seen and will be in the full length film.

I would also add that I would appreciate it if we can refrain from using derogatory remarks for describing people.

Spearfish- TESTIFY! Yeah, essentially it would be more like a military operation/mission.

Derogatory?  please explain.  And if that was normal, that alone proves my point of sheep vs sheepdogs.  She should have been in orbit.

Basicly in my country (Turkey, Istanbul) you see some basic thing for help aid when you will take a drive license. I agree with -- Spearfish. Look Walter, look Daniels they are frozen. I know and everybody agree, yes Faris in panic. Everything gone around 1-2 seconds. But NASA teaches Astronauts for hard conditions. Not for party.

Also another stupidly something,

If Karine can talk with husband on medical bay, opposite we see Oram talk with his wife says will be there soon. Why Faris left medical bay and goes to cabin to talk with Tennessee? She basically can talk in there and can help Karine.

Not you spearfish but to Sparkz.  The first line in this person's first post on the page 3 was a derogatory name to a women.  Not acceptable.

Spot on Sparkz.

Got it - admittedly didn't read all the posts.  Stand by my agreement with NASA training though.

Sparkz- you make valid points but I still wonder about Walter. He reacted like Ash. I could be wrong. We will soon see.

Regular Parrot -- I'm not blame anybody. It's just my word about who try to be foolish viewers. Cos i'm angry for that. I'm care Alien series. And believed to (and expectation) for coming to a good movie. You probably tangled with Stupid Hoe, come on, it is a Nicky Minaj song name. I really meaned to "all of messed person, stupid person" for Faris. Sorry for misunderstand. You can read before writings about "what can be on AC" or "probably scenario about AC" etc. We talk there about probably will be in film stupid people, etc.

EDIT -- I changed up topic my entry.

Well I think everything that might look a little be off is to a great extent responsibility of the extensive use of cgi and the editing.

Breakdown of society...Didn't shake hands, can't see people's eyes and don't know the background or context of their comments.  Forums are great but you have to ease into them as to see who you are dealing with.  Thanks for the clarification, as i wouldn't have tied that to Nikki M.

I'm not sure we should be nailing these characters to the cross yet. We don't even know how standards are in this fictional future world. What is expected of experts and so on and so forth.

If it's true about David remarking somewhere that humanity is a dying species trying to resurrect itself, it's entirely possible our systems for training of any kind are in a state of disrepair. We already see a lot of corners cut in the modern world to bring down costs. Who knows if this crisis has deepened in this fictional world 100 years from now.

Just look at some of the problems with human systems that are showcased in Prometheus, Alien, and Aliens. It is clear this in this universe, most organized human operations aren't working up to par.

Not good enough? Look at Tennessee's viral video. He basically is making fun of the vetting process because it missed so much of his background. But clearly we know exactly what level of standards are adhered to in this future fictional world.

Also, let's assume these people were trained well. Does that mean that they are immediately going remember their training and all the simulations the first time they see some creature birth itself out of their friend's back?

Also, I'm pretty sure the setup here is that the crew has been led into this situation by an incompetent leader. But clearly that has little to do with why things seem so haphazard. Must just be bad writing. No way was this intentional. Sarcasm aside, I'm pretty sure it's been made clear that Oram's incompetence will be showcased in this film as a major exacerbating factor in the ordeal.

Really don't get why we are already seeing people tearing this film apart over idealistically rooted criticisms especially when we still haven't seen it.

Regular Parrot

Thankyou for saying something. I saw that comment from Sparkz and wanted to say something, but figured everyone would just ignore him until he left. Truly in poor taste. I've seen people kicked for less.

(EDIT: Just saw the comment about Nicky Minaj. Sparkz, I get it but it's risky to come into a place like this and reference something not everyone may be familiar with. I appreciate you clarifying your comment)

"Not good enough? Look at Tennessee's viral video. He basically is making fun of the vetting process because it missed so much of his background. But clearly we know exactly what level of standards are adhered to in this future fictional world." - my point isn't that the wrong people snuck on board, it's that the selection process was flawed.

"Also, let's assume these people were trained well. Does that mean that they are immediately going remember their training and all the simulations the first time they see some creature birth itself out of their friend's back?" - yes

At minimum, in that situation, the freaking Combat Medic I asked for would have adminisered morphine, which would have likely made its way into the neo. Instead of letting that patient die a horribly painful death.  And, I would expect an agreement with my colleagues that, as a male, if something living comes out of me - kill it.

QueenElizabethShaw My only Objection against the the viral videos would be if they are used to fill in the gaps within the film. You should be able to appreciate the construction and coherence of the movie by itself, not as some kind of interactive experience. Remember the general audience is not following those virals or the discussions like we are. I am not saying this is the case with Alien Covenant though. We have to wait and see.

Spearfish

Misunderstood your comment. I thought it was loaded with the assumption that we're being presented with an entire crew who had all been trained equally as sheep dogs, and this film has failed to portray properly trained people accurately. That said I understand what you are saying about those selected to go to the surface. It's a valid point

joylitt

Yes, I wasn't referencing the viral video as a requirement to understand the movie, only as food for thought in regards to this discussion. I do agree, all this context needs to be presented in the film. The general audience will not be bothered to go hunt all this stuff down online prior, nor would most even be aware of it.

Here's hoping the movie won't be a POS

It seems the 10 minute video has been shut down from the great link a member provided :(

QES: Thank you.

I agree .. we haven't seen the film in its entirety.  There is a lot to see and think about. 

Spearfish:  I agree about a Combat Medic.  They would have changed things a lot.  It's an interesting comment because I have not seen anyone except for David playing Medic (like in the Last Supper Viral video).   David just stands around and watches everything unfold.  I guess Bishop did too in Aliens until he was told other wise. 

I suppose one has to think think that maybe Faris is a First Aider and what she saw on the the guys back was enough for her to lose it.

My son is a Combat Medic in the US Army (He spent 3years with the 6th Ranger Training Batt. and is now moving to the 3rd Cavalry.) 

Regular Parrot Give your son regards from a fellow 68W.

No worries.  This is a really complex situation to discuss while typing on handhelds.  This would be fun around a large table...