Ciciya
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2017 4:41 PMJust watched the movie. It seems like a lot of people get upset that "David created the aliens". Just my 2 cents, I don't think David created the aliens we know from original series. In the movie and what we see from prologue clip, I think the Aliens that we know from the original movies are just the "perfect organisms" by themselves. What I meant by this is that David was simply trying to create the "perfect organism" by using the black goo mutagent and it just turned out that this "perfect organism" resembles the aliens from the original series. So in a way, David was simply doing trials/errors to sequence DNAs for perfect lifeform which just happens to be the xenomorphs' DNAs of evolutionary pinnacle. Think of when you try to solve the math equation in order to find the value of unknown variables. You can do it a thousand ways but the value would still be the same. Amd what David was doing was just one of the ways to solving that equation. While the xenomorphs from original series came to existence through different methods. Also, as far as we know, the movie didnt actually officially confirmed that David created the original xenomorphs. It's just extrapolation.
Observation. In David's lab, we saw a lot of sketching/carcasses of insects like beetles and centipedes. I don't think these were native species but byproducts after David's quest of finding the perfect lifeform. I think it is a supporting evident that David was DNA sequencing and creating species from the ground up and he got closer to the end results which happen to be whatever DNA sequence that looks like Xenomorphs. Now, if you can remember the xenoesque wall carvings in prometheus, it is possible that the Aliens as we know it already existed naturally and the engineers derived the black goo from them to create biological weapons (hypothesis given by someone who replied to my opinion in another thread).
With all these, the movie would now make more sense and doesnt break the original lore that the xeno might be very ancient species. The question is what is in between A:C and Alien. Hopefully we will find answer in A:awakening. Although, even if we get the explanation for how the space jockey and derelict ship ended up in Alien, I dont think the arc about David will be directly sequential to that incident.
Othet observation. It seems to me that despite his seemingly evil intenjtion, David might not be entirely vile from the beginning. At the beginning, we saw that the engineer ship crashed into the mountain. This was also pointed out by the landing crew. So, Shaw might actually died in the crash. Perhaps, after releasing the mutagent, the ship was getting attacked and it crashed?
Rick
MemberXenomorphMay-10-2017 5:22 PMCiciya,
It has been confirmed by Ridley in one of Ingeinero's threads at 3:31 during a Ridley interview. He states that David created "him" while giving a head nod over to the Alien.
Ciciya
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2017 6:14 PMI don't know what exactly this "him" refers to. Him as in the thing in covenant movie? "Him" doesn't seem to make sense of a pronoun referring to an entire race of xenomorphs. Anyway, it's just my hypothesis that I believe would make more sense. If Ridley truly meant for David to create the original Alien then I hope he can come up with one heck of a plot to convincingly connect them.
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianMay-10-2017 6:25 PMI'm gonna slide back into My universe, this whole thing of David creating The Alien (and the creature from the 1st movie being indicated) is giving me one helluva headache in trying to figure it out in a way that doesn't come off as just plain horrible and tritely trope-ish.
If it does turn out that David IS the creator of The Alien as seen in the first movie...I dunno, I don't think I can accept that with any line of logic as it just kills the whole mystique and rich darkness associated with it.
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
dk
MemberTrilobiteMay-10-2017 6:30 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30bZc10D0
Here is the video- 3:30. I just don't know how plainer RS could possibly be.
QueenElizabethShaw
MemberChestbursterMay-10-2017 7:33 PMJudging by the posture and expression, and Ridley's tone of voice, it seems he meant the xeno in general. He actually has a hard time these days keeping things under wraps. He is very quick to tout the things he's excited about and proud of. He's been one of the biggest spoilers for AC all this time leading up to the release. He doesn't seem like one to keep his master plan tightly under wraps.
That interview shows someone who is very clearly pleased that he just changed the game for a franchise he probably feels was stolen from him. I would say it's fairly likely at this moment in time that Ridley intends for David to have been the creator of all xeno, and that the thing which holds the true mystique is the pathogen.
That being said, I believe Ridley is also waiting to see how the audiences feel before he begins setting 'creator David' fully in stone. Right now he still has wiggle room if he wants to back out of the 'creator David' route and do something similar to what you've described above.
If enough of the general audience samples and critics hate the idea, he can always back out and do as you've said in future films. At present however, I doubt he will do that until he measures a substantial backlash to the concept. If the majority is in favor, he seems likely to retain David as the true creator.
DirtWolf
MemberFacehuggerMay-10-2017 7:34 PM@dk
He could be a lot plainer. Is he talking about big chap? The protomorph? The whole species? He mumbles half the time anyway. He has been misunderstood and mistaken before in interviews. He is far from the most concise speaker and that includes this interview.
DirtWolf
MemberFacehuggerMay-10-2017 8:44 PM@dk
I wasn't trying to be a dick, if it came off that way. I genuinely want to know which one you think he meant
dk
MemberTrilobiteMay-10-2017 8:50 PMDirtWolf Not at all! A lot of us read/interpret things differently. No worries! I think he meant that David created the Xeno (Big Chap). That is what I have suspected for a long time.
DirtWolf
MemberFacehuggerMay-10-2017 9:48 PM@dk
I agree.
Others have said he means the entire species, which would involve another retcon and would seem messy. I don't think I'd like that.
@BWW
I understand your disappointment, but there could still be plenty of mystery behind the original form of Xeno, AKA whatever was on the mural in Prometheus. And also behind the Engineers themselves and the black goo. There's plenty of room there if they decide to revisit that stuff. How did you envision it?
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianMay-10-2017 10:18 PMWell, I have to admit, at risk of a possible spoiler, that how I envision it is an important element in the story I'll be releasing in 2 to 3 weeks.
Suffice to say, David doesn't enter into it at all. ;)
IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING
Tonehound
MemberFacehuggerMay-11-2017 3:47 AMI have always thought (and it has been discussed here before on a number of occasions) the original xenomorph from A L I E N was it's own species. It wasn't made, produced, genetically altered or constructed by someone or something but evolved of it's own making.
Now the xeno that is in the mural we see in Prometheus, is what is regarded by the Engineers as the very same xeno from A L I E N that is a perfect organism they regard with awe for that very reason.
David realises the beauty in it's perfection and it's stolen DNA that is in the urns that has been bastardised by the Engineers for destruction instead of it's initial purpose: Creation. He takes this and basically runs with it for his own purpose/s ala "to create, one must first destroy."
To me, the original xeno is it's Own Perfect Form.
Blackwinter-witch
MemberPraetorianMay-11-2017 4:59 AMAgreed, and well said!!
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