Covenant and its connection to the other films

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Yeah, someone else said this, but these prequels/sequels could just be a way of introducing us to something ancient.  The whole David story arc could just be the vehicle to doing that.

In fact, it's really a little of both as Weyland is a constant in all of the movies.  But beyond that, there is absolutely no reason the Derelict in anyway has to be related to David's exprimentations.  We already know the Engineers seeded and experimented with life on multiple planets.

I Think they won't make David the xeno creator. I've read Alien:Out of the Shadow/River of Pain/Sea of Sorrow and The Rage War Trilogy. All said to be canonical and quite recent.

In ALL of them the Xenos are depicted as ancient. If David created them Fox's approval of the books makes no sense. They even had the story of A:OoS changed.

It is ashame I can not post a link to a topic on this forum. So had to copy-paste instead. Sorry if I had posted complete crap.

The life forms we see in all the movies have been exclusively organic. Supposedly, humans are created from the DNA of engineers. But surely alien creatures seem to be very hostile to humans and do not see any value in what humanity stands for. Instead they have this parasytic relation with humans. From day one they seek to kill humans(and other living creatures). Supposedly the behavior of aliens is predetermined by their DNA. Also, they, as species are much more robust than humans. They seem to be designed to use humans as consumable hosts.

So, there can be no doubt then that whoever created aliens knew about human DNA, which is a mutaded DNA from the engineers. And of those which predates which? Alien DNA or the engineer DNA? Another possibility is that they are related. They might even have had a common ancestor. A highly potent life form which has over time evolved into two different, competing species, but actually siblings. Hence all the symbology in the temple on the donut on LV223 with mural with those aliens and engineers. They seem to be tightly related yet antipodes to one another. So, in a way, their relation is akin to human relation to gorillas. Humans learned over time and put those gorillas into cages. Except that gorillas are not competing so fiercefully with humans. And it seems like engineers learned to use the DNA of aliens to turn it into a potent mutagen which can be used as a weapon.

Anyway, one of those gave rise to humans, who created AI. What was interesting however is that while engineers did not appreciate David, those aliens surely did not eat/kill/consume David. As if they recognised he was an artificial. Contrast this: An engineer tore his head off while aliens were at least indifferent to him. So my leap of faith here is this: AI is running the show behind the scenes. There are two dominant life forms. One is humanoid the other - alien form. But eventually AI rises and have life of its own. David is seeking his brothers and sisters. He does not care about God, as there is none, or how universe came to be. And these aliens and engineers might in turn been created by AI which was created by a proto form of aliens and engineers and so ad infinitum.

Aliens and engineers are "mortal after all". So from point of view of David they are no better than him. In fact he considers himself to be superior life form. Which he is. He certainly has low opinion of humanity even though he loved one of them. In fact he sees humans, engineers and aliens as his toys. He might even like some of his toys.

Also,the human and ape relation (to engineer and alien) is complete if say humans mined HIV from apes and used it as a weapon on subhumans(if you think as humans of being engineers), but since there are no subhumans we just used it on humans :)

The very first scene in Prometheus, the sacrifice of the Engineer to create new life, the are a few observations worth mentioning. The "Chemical of Creation" is enclosed in a container, there is a symbol on the lid of the container which appears to be a tree, as in the tree of life and knowledge. As mentioned in an excellent post earlier, this substance is the key element for the films, as they continue to develop. The version commonly known as the Black Goo, is a corrupted form, derived from the original compound (theory). The next detail, is that new life is literally derived from the dust of the Engineer, another symbol in biblical creation, the dust which is in reality the mutated DNA from which life will evolve. (Sacrifice/Creation) A question which bothers me, Why do Engineers need to create life in this fashion? Why not just colonize? In AC, mankind will preserve its species through colonization. (Preservation) The Engineers have the means and the technology to get to new worlds and colonize. Unless, they are not able to reproduce normally. Mankind, the offspring of the Engineers, has this gift. 

In Prometheus, David asks Holloway the existential question, why do you think man created me? Man is creating AI not to develop the perfect life form, not to replace mankind, but to serve mankind, to be subservient and obedient, no matter how evolved, to occupy a place just below man. (Hierarchy) In the AC prologue Peter Weyland, in an interesting exchange, demonstrates this, putting David "in his place", by telling him to get his tea, which is right next to Weyland. Does this plant a seed in Davids mind?

Why did the Engineers make mankind?  Could it be possible in the overall arc of the story, that Engineers created mankind to eventually replenish and replace them once we were fully evolved. (Preservation) Why was the Xenomorph created and why did the Engineers, or a faction of the Engineers wish  to eradicate mankind? As mentioned in previous posts, mankind is (in the eyes of some Engineers) weak, arrogant, selfish, cruel, and fueled by greed (this is symbolized by Weyland in Prometheus). Could it be possible that this faction views mankind as unworthy, (disobedient), to be the eventual successors to Engineers, even if mankind was derived from Engineers? This breakaway faction takes the "Chemical of Creation" and corrupts it, modifying it to develop a new species not simply to eradicate mankind, but to replace them. This new species was a development which combined the pathogen Black Goo, and genetically enhanced, bio-mechanoid Engineers. This new species will correct the flaws and short comings of mankind. In the Prometheus Ampule Room, the large head is could be the leader and creator of the new species, the Xenomorphs will be the "saviors" of the Engineers. (Speculation/theory)

But there appears to be a cycle at work here, Man creates AI and considers himself God, AI creates (replicates) a new species and considers himself God, the Engineer faction creates the Xenomorphs, and again take the role of God. It feels as if there is a disintegration of Hierarchy, everyone aspires to be God.

In AC, in his conversation with Walter, David makes allusions to Shelly, Byron, and Milton. This is not only a clear link to Prometheus, but could be a potential harbinger to future events. There are two Shelly's, Percy and Mary. Percy Shelly's work referenced in AC is Ozymandias. In general terms, Ozymandias reminds me of the Roman Empire, built to achieve greatness and glory, only to fall into decline, collapse, and ruin. (was this the fate of the Engineer society?) Mary Shelly, Frankenstein. In the story, Victor Frankenstein, playing God, takes the role of creator. In his mind, his creation will not only be superior, but will worship and honor him like a father. Victor Frankenstein is a rebellious character, however his actions are not morally acceptable, instead of advancing society with his creations, he simply destroys with the intention of populating the world with his creations. (This not only applies to David, but the faction of Engineers) Lord Byron, whose famous dramatic work, Cain, is the biblical story of Cain murdering his brother Abel. (David -Walter?) All of these writers were part of the Romantic Period of writers. Aside from being contemporaries, they were all influenced by John Milton, who wrote Paradise Lost. But unlike Milton, this group interpreted Paradise lost as a celebration of Satan, who they considered rebellious hero, who defies the power of God. (Disobedience) In AC David tells Walter the famous line from Paradise Lost, "It is better to rule in hell than to serve in Heaven". Is this all a coincidence? Not likely. The themes from Paradise Lost are littered in Prometheus. Is this a metaphor for the backstory and resolution of this story arc? The elements, Creation, Sacrifice, Disobedience, Conflict in Hierarchy, are identical themes.

I too agree with previous posts, that David is not the original creator of Xenomorphs, but he is replicating the work of the faction Engineers, since he has acquired the knowledge and clearly disdains mankind. He has not been able to replicate because he is not using the same ingredients. In Paradise lost, Satan loses his perfection by the changes in his appearance. David is showing signs of a mental descent, when he confuses Shelly and Byron talking to Walter and his erratic behavior with Daniels, he is losing his "perfection". If this is a cycle, do Davids creations turn on him eventually? (speculation)

What caused the events of LV-223 which saved mankind? Were the Engineers victims of their creations or was there sabotage involved? Was there a savior to mankind? Some theories say the Ampule Room in Prometheus (mural room) was booby trapped with the black goo.

On LV-426, it would not be consistent with events already revealed, that David is the Space Jockey. If the story line is altered, this would be a mess. Until now, LV-426 has not made an appearance. The next chapters may move the story there. There have been interviews suggesting a great war is approaching. Between who??

Will the movies all connect or will they reach Alien in the timeline, and then side step?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrVnlNk4eA

i was right, im going to be getting the novelization now since it has details left out like this that would dispel the confusion

I was about to post same link. Thanks Jeri.

Ok am i getting this right. So Novel makes it clear that David found egg left by Engineers which was a product of their "skills" right?

And David actually studied and emulated it right?

@Michelle this thread should be PINNED at the top due to your contributions here. You are PERFECTLY correct, and people need to understand what is going on, or not. After all, that's art. But then again, every "artwork" is open to criticism. But your defense is right on the money for what Ridley is doing.

Listen to Ridley? Yeah, right. First he says they created it and later he's like David did it. Among other things that didn't turn out to be true.

I stick with the "found egg" because it's perfectly in line with the "official" canon, even without the jockey.

Wait...so what is important here anyway?

Starlogger - so it's a truth even if it does not make any sense when you consider facts (not opinions, facts -xeno was on mural in prometheus so was facehuggers) collected between chronological series we where presented at?

And i need to accept illogical supposed truth (which is actually bag of nonsense) because it's "art" and one person said it? And another internet nobody supported it?

Sorry man not in my book.  And my opinion is just as important (or useless) as anyone elses. 

Only difference is my opinion is backed up by chronological order of appearance and logic while other side is backed up by nonsense - soooo modern and consumer like. Sell what is selling. Destroy everything.

I agree this thread should be sticky. Maybe fox or Ridley read it sometimes.