What happened to Walter?

Engineer77
MemberOvomorphJune 01, 201771202 Views53 RepliesDid David destroy him? Or did he escape David?
Walter stopped escape from David's lab on planet 4 and propably change him mind and took David thinking. they came back took the facehugger Eggs and escape. Look at movirle he don't run away but after one minute. He stay, turned to back, thinking. And runing from Building after minute and after Daniels turn on navigation lamp. Why he used David's code to open Hall with colonists? He thinking that he became David ? Where he gone? To Origae 6 like he said by radio? He said now him code. The Convenant ship became David ship. And ship have to be programmed to David too and system knew David's code. At the end part od movie, Mother of ship have inspection. Walter can change something in system. And how alien came to ship when Daniels killed him by excavator arm? We see, that alien borned from woman, and she staying all time on mothers ship. So and how she was impregnated by facehugger?
With David/Walter i think what we have is either
a) David steals Walters Clothes and Cuts himself etc to look like Walter, he looks back to either see if Walter has recovered to Chase him or he knows a Xenomorph is on its way.
b) David uploads himself into Walters Body, in which case the ONLY reason he would be looking back was because of the Xenomorph.
Regarding the CODES...
Well this is a Mystery of Sorts.... are all Ships secretly embedded with Secret CODES of David, had he had a Master Plan to Hack the Companies A.I before Prometheus so he can Control all their Systems?
Could MUTHUR just be Voice Activated and FOOLED by David and then David could PROGRAM some Secret Codes.
Could David be in Walters Body and then have Access to the CODES and then be able to PROGRAM his own CODES?
Could David had Accessed Walters A.I to gain his CODES?
All of these are Options.
Regarding the Xenomorph on the Covenant, this came from Sgt Lope;)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
And at the end of Convenant, supposedly Walter, selected the same piece of Richard Wagner like David on opening movie when he 'born'. Did David gave to Walter him memories?
Well RS had Suggested that it is DAVID on the Covenant, which could imply that he Changed Clothes and Cut his Face and Cut his Hand Off.
The other options remains that David had Uploaded/Transferred his A.I Memories/Soul into Walter.
Walter is only a Synthetic Shell.... his Programing/A.I is Walter and so if this is Replaced with Davids A.I then in effect i guess that SHELL is now David.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Definitely no one can say. One half of the arguments for David. Another for Walter. This is a typical mystery box, intended only for speculation, not search for answers.
Maybe the third film will show, but so far it is impossible to say.
If it's David - why did he stop? Why does he look back? Why is there an expression of uncertainty and doubt on his face? Just like: "Did I make the right choice? Did I do the right thing?" Why does he have exactly the same scar as Walter? The answer can be found in the novelization from Alan Dean Foster.
Well its something that they can SHOW us either way...
The David Transfers his Soul to WALTER Plot would allow us to get past some LOOP HOLES..
This would mean that we have a David on Planet 4 which would give a Reason for HOW the Engineers could Determine where the other David is OFF TOO..
But then IF both Davids are on the Same Page, then WHY would he give up where the other David is going?
It could be Interesting because as David is Sentient, and may think that PASSING his Soul on to another Better Body is a way for him to be Enhanced.... would the OLD Version of him still have a FEAR of being Terminated..
You could imagine after the Soul Transfer of Sorts.... you see David look at Walter and go "My Brother! that New Accent Suits you.... together we can RULE the Galaxy" Then the Walter/David would then DISABLE the other David.
(My Prologue for my Alien Covenant Sequel idea was a bit similar but the Soul Transfer takes place on the Covenant Ship with a Spare Walter built from parts).
For he knows that as WALTER he could FOOL the Crew of the Covenant to reach his Objective and that he knows that HE is someone you cant TRUST and he simply cant TRUST another Version of himself in case the OLD version would ONE DAY... stab him in the BACK.
We still cant rule out if RS was thinking about Multiple Davids like more than 2... when he said the NEXT one would be about A.I
But any such PLOT would only distance Fans from the Prequels IMO
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
One way or another, there are few arguments in favor of David.
And I would not worry about how the engineers would know where the Covenant went. After all, it seems like the prequels don't like the word "how." I personally think that it would be better if Origae-6 will be their base, another colony, seeded world.
If they want to track the Covenant - let them use their technology, and not talk to androids. I am not against dialogue, but it will be another simplification, another primitive moment that could be played more interesting + show us (finally) technologies of engineers.
Besides Black Goo - what do we know about the technologies of engineers. If we forget about xenomorphs and focus on engineers, then it is their technology that is of the greatest interest, not society.
This, by the way, is one of the most disappointing moments of the prequels - not the “what”, but the “how”.
How engineers make their ships? How David create the xenomorph? Not what kind of world David/Walter will build, but how he will do it - that’s a good question!
Certainly Good Points ;)
The Technology of the Engineers is VERY interesting and prior to Alien Covenant i am sure MOST of the Fans would have Expected that when we SEE the Engineers then we would see more about their Technology and while we WONDER and WAIT i am sure many of us are THINKING about a Good Splash of HR Giger Aesthetic ;)
Also Second to that... WHAT other Horrific Creations had they Created and what Horrific Tale had led to their Kind of Experiments.
As far as WALTER... again yes if we had David simply STEAL his Clothes, then we would have to Figure Out exactly HOW would he be able to Communicate with them?
David never gave any Engineer Lessons... only FLUTE!
Maybe Walter will Play the Juggernaught Flute to make it POINT to Origae-6 ha ha!
As you RIGHTLY pointed out when they want to take us somewhere in a Movie then they would PULL any RABBIT out of the HAT for a PLOT CONVENIENCE.... or give NO explanation at all (Eggs from ALIEN 3 anyone).
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Walter has an AMD processor embedded somewhere in the head under the skin. this can be seen in the additional movie "meet Walter". is on YouTube. He should have his forehead cut out and I think it is impossible for David to go to Walter without a computer. after switching off and damaging Walter, you can see that when Walter woke up, he behaves differently. I think that his procesor run in safe mode or it got damaged. thinks alone. he hits David and beats him before he was calm and composed. but when he is hits David, he stop and wonder did he is doing well. Dave said him that nobody loves him like he. maybe he changed his mind. saw that the shutter and crew from Daniels fled without worrying about him. the mysterious thing is that when Daniels goes to the sleeping capsule, he asks Walter to help her build a hut by the lake. and Walter doesn't seem to know what's going on. but he remembered that the creature had bitten his hand and that saving human life was his duty. as if after closing the capsule because he became David.
I don't think Walter/David does not remeber about the cabin by the lake, he just plays with Daniels now when everything is under his control.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
Agree. To me, it looks like Walter wants to answer Daniels, but changes his mind and decides to troll her.
I also believe that it is Walter who gets back on board the ship at the end, it does not match a sci-fi to have David mutilate his perfect body to resemble Walter's, especially since there was no witness to their kung fu fighting, not to say undress Walter for the same reason. It is more plausible Walter stole the mind and personality of David instead of his underwear.
This theory is also supported by the hesitations Walter shows when he gets out of the engineer's temple, before running towards the lander, it's like his new self is still adapting and absorbing the new reality, it's an inner fight, like he has new memories, new feelings, he is rather confused, otherwise he should have adjusted for a last time his new outfit or checked his freshly mutilated hand.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
I think we need to look at the PLOT..
The Plot is about David, its about him beginning to Create the Xenomorph where he needs more Good Souls and a means to GET OFF the Planet.
For Davids Plan/Agenda.... then he would NEED to be able to Charade as Walter too FOOL the Covenant Survivors.
There is NO real Benefit for Walter to become David or Aspire to become David, also Walter Told David that he Sacrificed himself for Daniels from Duty and not LOVE.
The Cabin in the Woods was the PLOT device to then show us that Daniels (and Fans) Finally realizes that she is Facing David and not Walter.
Also for a BIG mission with ONE Synthetic it would be SILLY to not have Spare Parts to Maintain your Synthetic.
David would likely NOT be playing a ONE HANDED villain in the Sequel so there will be Spare Parts to Repair himself.
IF it is not David in Walters Body.... then i think its LIKELY that David would BUILD a Walter out of Parts and Transfer his A.I into the New Shell.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Why not just admit that the mystery about the personality of the android has a place to be. Moreover - it is made specially!
>>>The Plot is about David,
Well, Prometheus was about Shaw. And then it turned to David. I'm just hinting that thinking that the plot is dedicated, or more importantly, will be dedicated to a particular character is very naive. Nothing is promised!
>>>There is NO real Benefit for Walter to become David or Aspire to become David
In the book, he accepts David's suggestion. It seems that Ridley just decided to throw another hook and changed the ending of the film.
There is NO real Benefit for Walter to become David or Aspire to become David, also Walter Told David that he Sacrificed himself for Daniels from Duty and not LOVE.
At the end of their fight David tells Walter: "It's your choice now, brother. Them or me? Serve in heaven or reign in hell?"
What if Walter made his choice then and Ridley Scott tries to warn us that AI is not to be fully trusted, no matter what safeguards are provided against "rebellion".
Throughout the film I noticed a certain curiosity at Walter and a sort of affection for Daniels, more than duty, and maybe he has a doing in the malfunction of Branson's cryopod.. Who knows, at some point he would have considered an auto upgrade with David's ability to create and having "stronger feelings".
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
On the lander, after Daniels killed the xenomorph, David came out to her, looking at her like he experienced some new feelings for her, and, after a brief hesitation, touched her on the shoulder. He actually looked at his hand resting on Daniels' shoulder. It is clear that it is an important gesture, as if he managed to overcome for the first time some limits. Like he finally felt something.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
More likely he's just a very devious (and broken) evil robot.
We know he's broken, since he has faulty recollection of Byron/Shelley.
Remember, there are bad people in the world who think this way. The matter of where evil comes from is an ancient and interesting question.
Personally, I think a lot of it stems from being on the receiving end of Weyland's cruelty. You can see it in David's eyes and hear it in the musical cue right from the beginning where Weyland orders him about.
It's a recurring theme with Ridley Scott. See also Roy Batty near the end of Blade Runner. "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave."
@Leto
I was mainly referring to the Prequels as we take BOTH into Context.
If we are go by Prometheus then its down to Interpretation (which is almost everything with that Movie). The MAIN Characters were Dr Shaw, David, then Weyland, Holloway, Vickers and Janek.
The Survivors being Dr Shaw and David, some may Interpret it was Dr Shaws Story... about lets go and MEET GOD and NO thats not GOD.... cant be GOD... GOD never try and Hurt Me!
Oh WHY?..... Because its what i Choose to Believe lol
There was a THEME... this Theme FITS with Davids Journey. And so i was talking about where we are which is Alien Covenant where its about David and what he is going to be doing.
Prometheus is more Complex to try and Explain and open to Interpretation.... but Certainly it would have Involved to be around BOTH of those Survivors.... i still Suspect if we had a Prometheus 2 then Dr Shaw would NOT have Survived the Sequel regardless... again thats just a Suspicion and not Fact ;)
Regarding the NOVEL.... it appears this was ADF not being HAPPY at Certain things and well making CHANGES that he wanted.... the DRAFTS... does not appear to have these Changes. This is UNLESS he had a Different Draft that he worked from.
Regarding Walter i think if he decided to TURN to the Dark Side at the Drop of a Hat... would he KILL OFF David?
What would make more Sense would be if they made a COVENANT... where he sends Walter to the Covenant while he stays on Planet 4 and so they BOTH can begin their Plan to RULE the Galaxy.
@Hox
Certainly.... that is PART of the Themes at PLAY.
I would Suspect if David had been Treated Well, and Felt Loved then he would have TURNED out to be Different.
We need to see David as NOT a Tin-Can... but a Sentient and Intelligent being... a being that is NOT of the Flesh.. but his A.I is so Advanced that he can Feel Emotion, well he Starts to Interpret them more than a Walter who has NO feelings at all... so it seemed indicated.
Its about Creation, Free-will and how the Upbringing and Environment can SHAPE a Soul.... well in PART ;)
Part of Davids upbringing maybe makes him feel UNWANTED and so he may have Emotional Scars of Abandonment... he has become a Very Broken... Mentally Damaged Synthetic Life-Form..... who has become Deranged and Psychotic
The Trailer song could apply to DAVID.
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
is to love and be loved in return"
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Daniels asked Walter about what KIND of World they could Build.
He says if they are KIND it will be a KIND World, this fits a bit with ""The greatest thing you'll ever learn
is to love and be loved in return"
We see that is Walters Accent...
After Daniels asks him about the Cabin and he has No Clue/Answer she then realises its DAVID.
He then Smiles and goes Shhhhh!
Then he says "dont let the Bed Bugs Bite" "i will tuck in the Children" with Davids Accent.
From here he Speaks as David.... i cant see this being Walter just pretending to be DAVID..
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017