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A question for The Ridley Scott fans...

ninXeno426

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There is a certain subset of Alien fans that believe the only films that matter are Ridley Scotts aka Alien and Prometheus.Alien Covenant has obviously proved to be divisive yet again so how does Alien Covenant hold up for those of you who believe Scott's way is the only way?Did the film live up to what you expect from Ridley Scott's vision?This is just a simple question,I'm not trying to single out any one or attack any opinions.I personally enjoyed the movie but more so because I'm a fan of the franchise in general,not so much because I'm a Ridley Scott fan(which I am).I also feel what ever happens next the series needs a new director before Scott becomes like George Lucas,some one who does more harm than good to a beloved franchise.what say you guys,can Scott do no wrong?Or is it time for some one new?

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ali81
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whether the execs got involved or not, ridley accepted and went ahead with the project. for me he didn't give much character building and the pace of the film was off which is unlike him.

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I'm in for RS, at least he would not bring up again the alien queen. If the eggs are bioweapons no giant ant queen can make them. I believe that was a wrong idea of JC. Better leave the source of eggs unexplained than to explain it in such a silly way. I do believe the only valid films of the franchise are RS's. I had always big difficulties trying to watch Aliens, being so praised by fans and critics, but seeing Newt screaming, the Marines space corps and that silly alien queen letting go Ripley's foot in the end, that's too much to accept. I prefer the dumb crew of Prometheus, even the inmates from Alien3. My conclusion, RS is the one who created the alien universe, the rest is just debris orbiting his creation.

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I'd vote for Ridley. I want to see a direct prequel to Alien by him, and I'd like to see his Alien 2 (without Ripley), that would be fantastic.

And I think BigDave mentioned something important: Scott should have been given more money and time.

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Sir Ridley will lead us all out of this dilemma & I feel he has another huge film, or three, in him!  I think at this point he absolutely must have a huge film, or three in him, in order to save the franchise?  I want the next two or three films to be great, I really do, but they must be sure to address the lingering questions that have been created by Prometheus & Alien-Covenant.  I am hoping to not have wasted my energy here only to see another movie that hints at these big ideas with no explanations!

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After Prometheus I decided I needed to stop getting hyped for movies and it worked, because of that I was able to enjoy Alien:Covenant. At this point I expect nothing from the franchise and i'll just see what comes next.

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Lilly, that's a clever approach, beyond doubt - at the same time I think the months to come will serve as the most important period for the franchise/for Scott to receive our support and for the fans to express their expectations, ideas, dreams, etc...

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I think The Predator is the one to watch....

It will be interesting to see what Story and Budget this got and how well this does, so we can gauge if FOX are backing Predator Franchise more than the Alien one..  If the Budget for The Predator is not great and it does not do well.

I think its a sign that FOX does not invest in its TWO Big Sci-Fi Hitters as well as they should be... they seemed to have lost Faith in the Franchises if you ask me.

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@Ati Well, that's the thing. Ridley took online criticism to heart, decided to give fans what they wanted by putting Xenos in Alien: Covenant and some fans were still not happy. 

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I have always felt that Alien (1979) is a little bit based on an episode of the series Space:1999 (from 1975). It was a horror episode from the first season with the title Dragon's Domain. I was a kid when I saw it on TV and I remember I was totally frightened by the story and the alien lifeform. I would like to see something similar in the next Alien movie: group of abandoned and empty spaceships, shocking first contact with the lifeform, hopeless fight for life, etc...

Of course, today it does not seem to be something big but some segments of the plot of the episode mixed with the David storyline would give a perfect script, I think.

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Lilly (Svanya)Ridley Scott does not read reviews so he has no idea that we don't appreciate stupid characters. I wonder if he will ever find out that most people hate how Alien Covenant messed up the lore. Probably he just thinks the poor box office has to do to franchise fatigue.

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Scott mentioned in the 'popular social media people Q/A interview' that they read the fan reviews after Prom...

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ati, starbeast (alien) is a mashup of multiple sci fi horrors that Dan from invasion of the body snatchers to space 1999,the thing from outer space etc had seen and took inspiration from.when ask if hed stolen anything from other writers he said it was stolen from all of them.

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@joylitt He does though. He looks at online stuff, he has said so himself. 

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every director will have a sneak peak at the online reviews by the fans for the first few weeks. theres no way they can resist seeing how their creations r being viewed by the public

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Dear Sir Ridley,

More Engineers please!

Love,

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@Lilly so correct about Ridley. Hopefully now he realizes that he just needs to make the film HE THINKS needs to be made. He was on the right trail with Prometheus, but listened to the fans WAY too much, and took things off the rails as a result. Had he stuck to his guns and steered the series the way he initially wanted, we would've had a MUCH more original and vast and creative sequence. Who knows, maybe he still will... and perhaps Lindelof wasn't the dummy everyone thought he was...

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@joylitt if RS never reads reviews, how did he know that "we" wanted "more xenos!"?

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AC was better than Prometheus and it had better characters while there were still things that could have been better. It was a step forward compared to Prometheus.

 

Fox effed up by focusing on the Engineers and reduce the Xenomorph and so on. My main problem is that the characters in Prometheus were lame and that things that made sense were cut (for example the Xeno Fifield). By getting Logan and Harper they eventually improved AC I would say because as far as I know there were ideas about going further from the Xeno but that is something that I probably would have boycotted. We still got some of the Engineers so that was alright even though I wish that they could have showed a bit more about the role of the Engineers and how they are connected to the Xeno. I hope that they won’t make David the creator of it.

 

One of my concerns is that Scott will go the route of a crazy android that is behind everything, that is something that I am totally against even though David is an interesting character. Hopefully Fox won’t stand in the way like they did with Prometheus.

 

Hopefully the tone of the next Alien movie will be more like Alien or Alien 3 compared to Aliens. More thriller compared to a pure action movie. A movie needs a budget to work so I hope that they won’t reduce the budget for the next one (if we get another movie, which I hope that we will get).

 

Ali81: I think that AC is a lot better than Prometheus, at least the characters were better. I would rather have the next movie being more like AC compared to Prometheus because at least the characters were not idiots. At least I felt like I could relate more to the characters in AC compared to Prometheus. The lack of Engineers or explanation about what happened on LV-223 didn’t bother me at all, I am honestly not very interested in returning to LV-223 and how they portrayed the Engineers in Prometheus was lame. People prefer different things, that is OK but to me Prometheus wasn’t alien-y enough even though there were hints but bad characters was my main problem. Saying that AC is his worst film is to exaggerate it is better than Prometheus, Thelma and Louise, GI Jane, and maybe Gladiator. I have only watched some movies that Scott has been involved in.

 

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