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How to Connect the Prequels to Alien?

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chli

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There has been many a good discussion about David and the Engineers and who created the Xenomorph. Ridley Scott and Twentieth Century Fox seem to have chosen the route that David created it, or at least perfected it into becoming the horrible creature we all love and fear in Alien.

As you all know, the problem with connecting the premise that David created the creature to Alien is the discrepancy concerning time: The Space Jockey, as well as the Derelict, is ancient. As Dallas puts it as he looks at the Space Jockey:

Dallas: [observing the Space Jockey] Alien life form. Looks like it's been dead a long time. Fossilized. Looks like it's growing out of the chair.

[climbs up for a closer look]

Dallas: Bones are bent outward, like he exploded from inside.

I thought that we could gather the ideas here (many of which have already been scattered around in this forum), and see who comes closest when the connecting film to Alien eventually is made? How will they solve the problem of connection? What’s your guess? :)

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batchpool, I could go with that. david knows the company r aware of the signal from the derelict and would most likely be planning, or had a planned expedition in mind to go to the derelict. so david places the eggs in anticipation of this expeditions arrival but it happens to be the nostromo that gets redirected

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Dallas was probably wrong when he said that the Space Jockey was fossilised because that would mean lying in layers of sediments for thousands of years. The Space Jockey is a skeleton, though, preserved because of the dry, cold and oxygen-free atmosphere, perhaps? How long has it been sitting there in the pilot chair of the Derelict? That is the question.

In Prometheus, Ridley Scott changed the fossilised/skeletal Space Jockey into being a helmet and a space suit made for engineers (the Space Jockey is larger, however). Inside, there is, most likely, an engineer? David/Walter or a human would get lost in the large space suit. :)

My guess about how they finally link the prequels to Alien is therefore that an engineer did crash on LV-426 with xeno-eggs in the cargo hold. The engineer must have been attacked by a facehugger when loading the eggs, or when he, for some reason, went into the cargo hold before the journey (not fully understanding the danger). When he wakes up after the face-hug he enters the pilot chair and sets off on his mission (eradicating mankind or another planet somewhere). After some time, the pain in his chest forces him to quickly choose the nearest planet to land on (LV-426).

What I would like to see is a flashback scene at the end of the last prequel, where we travel 2.000 years back in time, to LV-223. We will briefly see what caused the outbreak and the engineers running for safety before the automated doors are shut (which we see in the hologram David activates). All engineers but two dies - one we encounter in Prometheus - the other escapes in a juggernaut filled with xeno-eggs . . .

What I think is more likely, though, is that the route of David is continued. In Alien: Awakening, the two face-hugger-embryos are used on Daniels and Tennessee. We get a new heroine who will continue the alien saga and conflict with David and the xenomorph. Engineers will return and find “Paradise” obliterated and filled with engineer and human corpses, and the residues of a synthetic. The engineers will not look too favourably upon this so they will hunt down David and his creations. There will be a war and everyone dies (Origae 6 and LV-223 are no more), except one engineer who dashes off with a cargo hold filled with David’s xeno-eggs . . . The information about the Xenomorph David has passed on to "Mother" and Ash, and eventually, The Nostromo lands on LV-426 . . .

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@Chli

Your interpretation of my idea is correct. I must stress they are not based on what I think is "right" they are my interpretation of how I view the clues Ridley offers in Covenant and what he has said in various interviews.

He has given the responsibility for driving the narrative to David/Michael and indeed Katherine has said this prequel trilogy is not about her it is about David. 

The Engineers and Shaw (and what happened to them) in Covenant are a reaction to Davids narrative.

Ridley has indicated in the next movie that the Xeno morph will move away from being controlled by A I and be more independent of it that of course fits the continuing cascade of creator/creation. It is also dramatically crucial if you wish to grow the threat of the Xenomorph's rather than have them sharing the antagonists spot. 

In order to connect with Alien we need to see :-

1) The information link with Weyland Yutani which of course can be done by a main frame link with David/Walter.

2) We need to see in Ridleys words who the Jockey is. That he will amend some of the circumstances of the ship (no cryo/pods, the burnt trap door and the who's laser are all possibilities) but the main point will be to explain what the Jockey was up to and how he got into trouble. If that is a key connective point then it is either David/Walter or, an Engineer who becomes involved in David's narrative, possibly one of redemption. Whoever the Jockey is its about David and his ending/transformation before ALIEN. He is so important to the narrative anything else does not make dramatic sense. Put it another way for a new character to enter and be the Jockey and be entirely independent of Davids narrative makes no sense just as re introducing all the bull shit (Wayne Haag) from Prometheus makes no sense other than to bring the Engineers response to Davids destruction into the narrative.

In finishing most people use plot points and devices to get to the point where they want the Jockey to be. I am looking at it from Ridleys point of view and giving it a story that the global audience would find "Cool" and like Aaron on AVP whether he likes it or not his belief is all roads lead to David.     

It can all change or not get made but based on all of the evidence of David the straight line into and through Covenant and that in Ridleys view he is the originator of this version of the Black Goo outcome nothing else makes sense. 

I think I have a clear view of what Ridley is up to I guessed all of Covenant with just two surprises :-

1) The Jacob death solar sales incident.

2) The complete lack of exposition over the Engineers and Shaw from their point of view rather than what we got, how they fed David's narrative. 

But positionally we got what I expected. 

Put simply Covenant repositioned the narrative entirely around David I expect that pre eminence to continue.

  

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'Great account of the juggernauts. I take it you’re not too fond of the idea that David created the xeno either? :)'

chli - I wouldn't say that. If we get an exciting and clever AC sequel, that will be no problemo at all.

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@ Michelle

Yes, I agree that there can be a difference between what you would like to happen in future prequels/sequels, and what you think will happen based on AC, interviews with RS etc. David has become the driving character, for better or worse (He definitely is an interesting character and Fassbender a very good actor).

The theme of hubris and nemesis fits in if David is chosen as the creator of the xenomorph, and that he perishes from his own creation? I suppose there is no turning back now and we will have to accept David as the creator of the Xenomorph, and the Space Jockey not being ancient?

@Ati

Well, the problem is that the Space Jockey can't be ancient. If we follow the route that David is the creator of the Xenomorph, the Space Jockey can only have been dead for a couple of years (18 at the most) when The Nostromo lands on LV-426.

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