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the Neomorph, does it have a repeating life cycle?

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ali81

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I recently replied to a comment that got me thinking. does the neomorph procreate or is it just simply the means of wiping a planet of fauna? I personally don't believe the neomorph would be able to spawn offspring by any method as I don't see the logic in that. it has been designed as a weapon and im sure the designers didn't really want such a hostile weapon lingering about long enough to become a threat to themselves nor do I see the engineers wanting to leave an entire planet in such a state that they couldn't return to so id guess they would have developed a countermeasure for the black goo?

what do u guys think? can the neomorph reproduce? have u heard or read of any material that suggests they can or cant?

 

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They must coat their entire ships in factor 24234234 suntan lotion. Maybe they're a race of Michael Jacksons. All secretly black dudes, but whited up their skin in the 90s cuz Jackson did it. Or maybe Michael Jackson was an engineer. Another reason why they want to kill us, for accusing him of fiddling with little boys. All possible.

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lol hhhmmm topic I aint touching with a barge pole but anyway lol

yea if the ships r organic theyl need a pretty high factor aswell. or maybe they were originally the same colour as the engineers thousands of years ago lol

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ali81 Cadavar Spore's I reckon.

When a neomorph dies its bodies breaks out in new spore pods rendering any environment it is killed potentially ever more dangerous. Every time a neomorph dies opens the door for a host of new ones!

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Possible, but so long as that is your "reckon", not the evidenced truth.

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Yog Sothoth fair call, my comment was rather half-arsed :P

However, i offer no evidenced truth, just my idea which would offer a significant and exciting new difference to the classic Xenomorph life-cycle that suits the rapid propagation, gestation period and growth of the Neomorph.

To elaborate: the motes/ spore pods that the Neomorph transmit themselves from allow for a much rapid deployment of neomorph individuals than the singular egg/host trait of the Xeno. Especially if the spores con infect multiple hosts.

If a neomorph was able to spawn spore pods upon its dead body as its primary vector of reproduction it allows the Neomorph to spread like a weed, taking seed wherever it falls until its has established itself in an ecosystem. 

eg if the neomorph is able to infiltrate a base, ship, town, city etc where it dies, it starts a new infestation spot.     

Every time they get a foothold, their prey lose ground as every Neomorph killed potentially breeds even more. 

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iraptu, it is an interesting and chilling theory. does anyone know if dark horse are going to be coming out with anything post covenant that could show this? they have done awesome work writing and illustrating the alien universe in the past and have done some brilliant things with theories that haven't been shown on screen and id like to see something like this.

though im going to stick with my original theory, simply from a weaponised perspective that it may not be required for the neomorph to reproduce but I like all the ideas

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Thanks ali81 :)

BigDave posted a very interesting comment on another thread that may lend credence to your argument.

The Spores i assumed are the result of the Black Goo infecting some type of Fungi, we see the Crashed Juggernaught had crashed up the side of the mountain and scrapped inside some, dirt and other debris from the Mountain...  The Mountain has a Stream running down it and the Juggernaught has crashed over this, and so parts of the water from the stream is flowing over the Juggernaught and leaking inside, while some is flowing under the Juggernaught.

This stream works its way all the way down to the stream Bed.

Ledwood was infected by stepping on a Spore that was by the side of the Stream, where naturally by the side of streams we get various kinds of Growth, which include Moss/Algae and indeed Spores/Fungi which happens on Earth too.

So i assumed some Black Goo infected the Water which then infected any Spore/Fungi/Mold growing near by the Water to then Evolve into the Spores.

Essentially the crashed Juggernaut leaked black goo (perhaps some urns left over from his bombing run that were still "armed") into the waterfall stream.

The neighbouring fungal spores mutated to create the neomorph spores. The black goo appears to be a rapid evolution mutagen Weaponised

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I read the control mechanism in the xenomorph is a short lifespan of only days Yog Sothoth.

I theorized that the hammerpede mutations we saw in Prometheus were more like a neomorph than anything we had seen yet.

"Black goo + Worms = Giant worms + Host = Unknown"

As to the above statement...I haven't seen any attempt at reproduction from the neomorph but I have seen an attempt to shred a human as quickly as possible (Millburn and Rosenthal).

The below organism symphony is a little harder to explain.

Great topic ali81.

 

 

 

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cheers guys. ingeneiro, the neomorph and hammerpede def look to have a lot of the same charcteristics such as texture, skin colour etc but I wonder, how come the hammerpede has acidic blood yet the neomorph doesn't?

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Likewise ali81

Did we see any melting of the floor when Captain Oram showed David 8 how impressed he was with the neomorph in the room where Rosenthal was killed?

I know we did see the floor melt when they tried to get the facehugger from off of Lope but I couldn't remember if melting was visible from killing the neomorph in the room where Oram shot it.

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I don't believe there is any acidic blood in the neomorph. I didn't get the impression it burned or sizzled on the floor when Oram shoots it and david certainly didn't get splashed with any Im sure. think RS has gone for a more natural and organic creature in the neomorph

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I'm not sure but David 8's lab didn't look melted and he was a neomorph butcher in there.

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hahaha he was a butcher of all species mate, 'if it bleeds, I will dissect it' hahaha

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but ur right, there was no sign of acid burns. though I think bishop covers this in aliens. I know aliens hasn't happened yet but surely as RS has seen it, it may be a small addition to answer this. after bishop examines the facehugger he tells ripley something about after the creatures death something neutrolizes the acid. though david doesn't have any original xenos in his lab, yet the facehugger should be acidic. I think once it had been dead for some time the acid would have dissipated and would not be harmfull maybe?

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ali81, I'm pretty sure Ash said that too about the facehugger's blood neutralizing upon death. As to the acid burns, in the novelization, David 8 had a xenomorph in his lab too on display.

If the neomorph biology is similar to the facehugger/xenomorph, then the neomorph blood could have been neutralized by the time David 8 began dissecting.

I guess David 8 may blow on their nose, then play cards with the neomorph and xenomorph until they die in a couple of days...then he cuts them up.

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hahahaha couple of games of scabby queen perhaps?

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I think a lot of you are overthinking the Trilobite and Deacon. If you remember in Prometheus, when David had the drop of pathogen on his finger, there were tiny organisms moving around inside. These organisms either destroy someone, mutate them, or infect a part of them that could be used to impregnate another life form to spawn a hybrid. In Prometheus, this was Holloway's seman, in Covenant, these were the Motes. However, in Prometheus, the infected seman took a detour into Shaw's uterus and was grown and incubated, becoming a large, squid-like creature: Merely a larger form of the tiny pathogen creatures. This then "facehugs" an Engineer and spawns an Engineer Neomorph, which we as a fan base have affectionately nicknamed the "Deacon." In Covenant, these tiny pathogen creatures mutate a local plant form to create an airborn shocktroop infection called the Motes; a much more effective transmission system. These infect a human being (accounting for the difference from the Engineer creature or "Deacon") and create a more human like monster nicknamed a "Neomorph" by the production crew. 

 

David, then, takes the tiny creatures, as he explains to Oram, that he saw on his finger, and experiments on them again, growing and mutating them, once again using Shaws reproductive system, however this time, he Engineers them, instead of natural wild growth, and is able to create a more orderly form in a stronger body than the natural Trilobite, which we now call a Facehugger. Additionally, David's drawings on the Covenant blu-ray confirm this, as we see a drawing of a monsters head that is just like the Deacon, and a monster head just like the Neomorph. He describes these as two variants of the same creature. 

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great post 426 though if u will allow me a moment just to query a couple of things. I didn't see anything in the dollop of goo on davids finger though that doesn't mean u wrong. but ur saying that tiny, exact copies of the trilobite are in the goo and the trilobite is just a larger version? so what is the wasp looking chappy in AC that david is talking about? also the pathogen is manufactured to attack fauna, not flora. no plant life is affected by it by design. if plants were to be affected, then all the trees would have been as well. my theory is that it is a sponge or fungi that is infected that is later disturbed by the crew of the covenant but others believe its an egg sac created by the organisms within the goo. its all been left pretty open to interpretation here I think.

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No I'm saying those little buggers infected Holloway's sperm and THAT is what became the Trilobite. It's very possible that there were insectlike spores inside those egg sacs already and the black pathogen simply mutated them for its own purposes:  To recode and impregnate. Does that answer your questions 

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Yes I now see that I misspoke. The squid creature Trilobite is a larger version of Holloways incubated sperm with Shaw's eggs. 

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