red0guy@gmail.com About Shaw and David. I was just referring to the fact that even the kindest person like Shaw would probably consider a synthetic nothing but a tool. And you are totally right, the depiction of David, with Wagner soundtrack and all is very reminiscent of the 3rd reich. I read somewhere that there was something else they cut from that last scene that was going even further into that direction.

 joylitt Yep- it is in the director commentary.

A madman inspired by beautiful classical music to embark in a genocide. 

oops double post.

"Basically, he would be goose stepping up the hall among the 2000 cryo colonists".... HELL NO!

That would have been comedy. That's what I mean sometimes Ridley's ideas can be a little bit out there.

joylitt

Well I'm not convinced and even that was the case why then not try to explain yourself before commiting genocide and "evolving" people? I know why because that would bore those that wanted carnage...

joylitt

"Basically, he would be goose stepping up the hall among the 2000 cryo colonists".... HELL NO!

I only state the fact. It is there if you wish to check.

In hind sight and what is going on right now in the world, it may be for the best that it was toned down.

red0guy@gmail.com Do you think Hitler was telling people you are in this facility because I am going to gas you?

dk I know. I read it somewhere before you told me. It's just in my mind it plays like a scene from a Mel Brooks movie.

As far as David's experiments go, maybe the focus should look at Himler and Mengale.

Home Again, Home Again Jiggity Jig

This scene was in Blade Runner. OHH the Good times...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpK6GcViC88

joylitt

I don't understand where are you going with that question. All I wanted to say that before is that for me the AC David is not compelling at all, I can't have no sympathy for him, and sincerely I don't care about his final fate.

dk

Ok... David as a personification (synth-etesis, pun intended) of nazism.

red0guy@gmail.com That's ok maybe I misunderstood your previous post. To me this crazy version of David is not very compelling neither, that is why I hope in the next movie -if we get one- a secret agenda will be revealed, so we can see David under new light. It's been 2 movies already where David experiments with people with total impunity while everybody else is too dumb to guess what's going on. So, let's please move on form the same story.. I think you will agree with me on that.

red0guy@gmail.com Well, David certainly wants to control and is involved in eugenics, and experiments that seem to mirror those of the 3rd Reich. I do not think that was ever Sir Ridley's intent though- to have David specifically compared to Nazis or its leadership.

joylitt

Yet again with new human characters? Or will Daniels survive (this would piss much as they killed Shaw)? Will the evil corporation WY fight the nazi robot, is anybody really interested in that? And if the engineers reappear, wouldn't it be just for being slaughtered? Will we learn know anything about their morality or their religion, about what they think about souls and stuff... Of course not.

dk

Well if he did not wanted to he certainly succeeded in it and that's why find people liking the character very disturbing.

red0guy@gmail.com I think it just takes a little bit of imagination. They need to get the audience excited again somehow. 

The danger is the unanimous praise Fassbender gets  for playing David. Don't get me wrong, I like him too, but the studios seem to think: Ok, a lot of people couldn't agree about Prometheus but they loved Fassbender; so why don't we make a whole movie about David. Good idea, right?... Well I hope they learnt their lesson from Covenant and somehow rediscover that old Alien mojo again, because I am 100% certain that even those who now say they love the AI focus will be bored to death if they again tell a predictable story.

I still think David, or at least Walter, will play a major part in the next movie. Like it or not, that is just my opinion.

David is supposed to be a disturbing character and I love that! Many casual viewers don't seem to like it and want happy endings, but Alien movies have never been that way. They might not command at the box office, but they age well and are looked on with fairly high regard. Remember that both Alien and Aliens were panned back in their day. 

Someone posted a review of Aliens that looked almost identical to a typical review of AC. Go figure.

dk That was a totally bogus review. And I must disagree about the first two Aliens. Alien was so groundbreaking that even when relatives told me the story it totally fascinated me. Come on... the eeriness of it all, the surprises, the acid perforating the ship, so many things I could never forget... I went to see Aliens in the movie theater and it was like gangbusters. First sci-fi nominated for 7 Oscars. Never met anybody who didn't love that movie. Honestly, did you ever had a teenage classmate who told you "don't go see that movie because it sucks"?. A film that you can play to your dad and he would love it. The franchise is not in the same shape right now. We really need a break from all that is wrong about it asap.

dk

They want something to be more meaningful, Alien Covenant was the most mean spirited of the series and that was covering what I consider lack of imagination or spite (as a response for Prometheus). In the first Alien, almost die but finally the protagonist defeats the space "dickhead". In the second, 4 survive (I include Bishop as person). The third one was more bleak indeed, but Ripley killed herself for something meaningful, to prevent the evil corp. to obtain the Xeno queen. Well forth one is more comedy ....

Only in Covenant we have Xenomorphs created from the body parts of woman we love, victories that ultimately are meaningless and genocide. So no, this was not the tone of the series.