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I Moon Girl

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I've gotten into discussions before about androids and emotions.  I've just finished reading Alien: Covenant Origins and something related to android and emotions is in the book.  Does this settle the fact that androids cannot feel emotions, but only can mimic them?  Or is this just misunderstood work done by scientist which the problem, which is that androids actually can feel emotions, manifests itself in Alien: Covenant.  I feel like the emotions Walter seems to express in Alien: Covenant can be easily explained in another perspective to show that emotions cannot be felt by androids, or at least very little emotion can.  What does emotions + androids mean when we throw David in the mix?  David seems convinced that he can feel emotions, or is he just mimicking emotions in an attempt to feel them?  Maybe it is all just in David's head?

Regardless if androids are capable of developing emotions unpredictably, the Walter models were never apparently meant to feel emotions.  Maybe Walter develops some emotions because he is the first Walter model so maybe the science is misunderstood?  Still, Walter was not the first android ever created.  I'm sure android programmers encountered some form of problem with emotions before Walter since Walter is so advanced.  Most likely androids + emotions have been studied with intense care when the technology became available.  With that knowledge, androids could really be human-like.  With this, why couldn't the scientists have figured out a way to prevent emotions from occurring in androids.

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As Daniels is talking to Walter after just meeting him, she talks about the events that were happening on Earth that Walter heard about.  After she briefly explained to him the situations, Walter replied, "With humans, emotion invariably enters into decision making." He turned wistful.  "I can mimic emotions.  Perfectly.  Would you like to see me cry?  There is a saying among the scientific community.  'Even an android can cry.'"

"Not now."  They turned another corner. "I'll take your word for it.  Or we'll wait until an appropriate situation presents itself and you can amaze everyone else with a calculated demonstration of deeply felt empathy."

He looked over at her.  "I am also fully able to recognize sarcasm, when it is employed."

She threw up her hands.  "Okay, I admit it.  You're as human as they can make you.  Maybe more human than some of the men I've known."

"Or maybe less," he commented thoughtfully.

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If we pull info from the Bladerunner universe, androids required memories to develop proper human emotions and they also needed time to correctly interpret and understand their emotions.  As far as we know, androids in the Alien universe don't have memories to base emotions on.  

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As far as the so called gay kiss goes, I like to think David used the kiss as nothing but a disarming tactic to distract Walter for a crucial couple seconds to take advantage and strike.

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David's kiss for me just seems to be more than just a distraction.  Instead of being just a distraction, it was ALSO David trying to "feel" emotions he wasn't programmed to feel.  The reasoning I have with this is in the question, "Why would David choose to kiss Walter?  Why not another distraction?"  I'm sure there were numerous other ways of distracting Walter that David could've done.

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We all know that David has the skills and that kind of confidence.

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@ I Moon Girl

Was it a test to provoke an emotional response?

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@Batchpool

We don't really know what David is thinking, but I do think David didn't decide on killing Walter till after the kiss.  During the kiss, I think David was still deciding and wanted to see what Walter's reaction would be during and after the his kiss before he tried to kill him.

Walter's face is really confused looking, so I don't think that was what David wanted to see.  Plus, Walter didn't kiss back.  Maybe David was expecting that?  Walter really didn't make any expression other than being confused with David's kiss.

So, maybe Walter made the wrong emotional response, which was being confused.  I could see that David would have wanted a different emotional response which would make him think Walter is on his side in some way or at least Walter should've said something.  Walter didn't even say anything.  He was confused and silent.  

I guess Walter isn't as smart as he is advertised to be by Weyland-Yutani.  I don't know why his guard was down after having that conversation with David before the kiss.  He should've been ready for a fight, but instead he was almost killed.

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Homosexuality, in an Alien movie, what a novel concept (sarcasm alert)

In Alien it was meant to be inferred that both Ripley and Lambert were bi-sexual, and that the crew of the Nostromo was 'freeloving', a concept also inferred in the first two Terminator movies, but never actually mention until Terminator Salvation.

The Alien while seemingly feminine in its slender form has, quite literally a Penis for a head.

Vasquez, a woman with bigger balls than any of her comrades.

Fury-161, a prison complex entirely populated by men.

But here's the noodlebaker...

Weyland devises synthetic technology and his ultimate creation is a synthetic, virtually immortal and Aryan male. Whereas most men given access to such technology would likely have created the first true synthetic to be female, for both nurturing and sexual reasons. Is Peter Weyland gay, and having been created by him and nurtured by him is David also Gay? Was Victor Frankenstein gay?

 

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@Gavin "Whereas most men given access to such technology would likely have created the first true synthetic to be female"

I agree with this statement, yet I think I can explain why Peter Weyland made David a male and not a female.

When David wakes up, he is in a large room filled with a replica of Michalangelo's sculpture of David (or it could be real).  We also see a picture hanging on the wall which looks like it was made during Michalangelo's times.  These times that I'm referring too are the Renaissance times.  Peter Weyland is very intelligent and I think we can all agree with that.  David is also very intelligent and I think we could all agree with that too.  During the Renaissance, there were massive breakthroughs in about every subject area that existed at the time.  So, the people during those Renaissance times, especially the High Renaissance times, were very smart.  From observing Peter Weyland's room where David was awaken, we can assume that he is a fan of Renaissance art and we could even assume culture.  

The point I'm getting to with this is that the artists during the Renaissance times thought the woman's body was ugly and that the male body is perfect.  So perfect, that the male body is considered god-like.

If we take Peter Weyland's art collection and his intelligence (reminiscent and possible paralleling of the men during Renaissance times) into consideration, I think it would make sense for David to be a male because of Peter Weyland's interest and character.

"Was Victor Frankenstein gay?"

I can't remember any movies about Frankenstein.  Sorry.  No comment.

"Fury-161, a prison complex entirely populated by men."

I always considered that as an interesting story for Ripley to figure out how to survive in.  She almost got raped too.  So, I just saw that as another element for Ripley to tackle.  I really don't consider that movie to have any homosexual sides.  The prisoners considered themselves religious too.  They were like monks and monks aren't homosexual.

"Vasquez, a woman with bigger balls than any of her comrades."

I thought she is one of the best characters in the whole Alien franchise.  It's good to see a woman in the military that is just as good or better than any of her comrades.  I'm glad the future is predicted to have women in the military like we see in Aliens.  I don't think she's anywhere close to being gay either.  She's just tough.  She's got a perfect job to show that toughness too.

"In Alien it was meant to be inferred that both Ripley and Lambert were bi-sexual, and that the crew of the Nostromo was 'freeloving'"

I've never heard this concept that I can remember.  I guess I could consider Ripley being bi-sexual in the original Alien (sorry Weaver), but I can't see Lambert as being bi either.  Of course, I wouldn't have imaged Lope or Hallet in A:C being gay.  Really, I don't notice much reference among the characters to sexuality in the original Alien movie.  I did think that Ripley had a thing for Dallas, but that could also have come from me reading "Alien: Out of the Shadows".  To me, the characters act like friends who have done what they are doing before.  That is, until the alien arrives all because of Ash, the stranger to the group.

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