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Ingeniero

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Royal Engineer

In the first pages of the Prometheus: Art of the Film, the Engineer and the Beast beside him show resemblance to some of the aspects we have discussed. Beginning with the Engineer below, I enhanced a scan to bring out the tall boots, pants, and vest the Engineer is wearing.

I believe the five ridges across the back of the kneeling beast are the Engineer's fingers as if the organism is an extension of the Engineer's will. The clothing looks like a Royal dress similar to a guard or riding boots. This Engineer and beast are part of the mural in the urns room in Prometheus so it appears that David has reconstituted something in his organisms that was thriving before, earlier in Engineer history.

The Egg and Hands

The organism shows not only the lateral ridges across the arms that David has written much of in his notes but also the ovomorph used to house facehuggers indefinitely.

 

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You are most welcome sherris.

Thank you for recommending Prometheus: Art of the Film and referring to these images before. 

I took it that way too in regards to the origin of the mutagen and eventually the eggs' history.

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This past week on Jeopardy an answer was in reference to science recently announcing the chicken had come before the egg......I suppose this holds true for Alien, as well!!  HAHA!!

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Wow, a lot of new info I need to go over while I'm at work lol.  But real quick,

Ingeniero, "The "beak" on the creature that we see in the mural may be tendrils like the example shown in David's drawing below further supporting a theory of revival (by David) in regards to the sleeping horror of the xenomorph."

The tendrils and reference to "the sleeping horror of the xenomorph" instantly popped Cthulu into my mind lol.  Especially with the David drawing you posted.

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"David may not have been stuck at all BigDave but could have been waiting on his "flock" to further experiment on. "

He certainly needed more sheep to experiment on, we can only assume all the Engineers had been exhausted and he needed new Hosts or the Humans proved to be the more Perfect Choice for his Experiments.

A thing to consider is Dr Shaws Reaction to stopping the Juggernaught "if we dont stop it there wont be any home to go back to"

So David could have gone to Earth and Bombarded it.... but then i think David does need more Fresh Bodies who are uneffected to continue his works... i wonder if the sequel would touch upon if Paradise/Planet 4 actually had Ships that David could use and explain why he did not or could not do soo.  I know the Novel touched upon it, but its a case of as far as the Movie Franchise goes. Was the Juggernaught that David had taken from LV-223 and that Docking Ship the only Engineer Ships or not?

It will be interesting to find out if this is followed or touched upon in the next movie.

 

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As far as the connection to Star Beast and its Plot, indeed it would be interesting if they follow some aspects of this, but its a case of how Literal they follow it... if indeed they do...

Starbeast indeed paints the Giant Race discovered by the Humans as being another Race who fell victim to the Star Beast Alien, and that the Alien had a History and Culture to a degree behind it.

HR Giger had some vision as far as his works on the project, and a lot of his works and comments pointed towards the Derelict and Xenomorph to be connected, and the Ships are Grown and they Produce the Eggs... His Mural seems to show us this connection and that a Humanoid Race Self Sacrifice themselves to the Procreation of the ALIEN Species.

The Ancient Astronaut and Creators Plot is also interesting and it would be interesting to see if this is further explored in sequels.

Ridley Scott had spent a lot of time referring the Engineers to Fallen Angels and so its a case of is this still the case and how exactly this can link to the Plot of Fallen Angels/Demons.  There is a lot of Philosophy behind this Question... which indeed does link heavy to Davids Plot and Agenda.

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The image of the Star System explored by Mankind as far as O'Bannon

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Is indeed interesting, but indeed Prometheus has opened us up to a much larger Universe...   RS had pondered if these beings had created life elsewhere and also that Mankind may not be the only Humanoid Civilization in our Galaxy

Well Prometheus opened this up much further because the Engineers Holo-Maps had other Galaxies, which means they could not only and have not only traveled THOUSANDS or HUNDREDS of thousands of Light Years but they are aware of and can/have visited places MILLIONS of Light Years from Earth.

Earth ==> LV-426/223 or even to Planet 4/Paradise never mind Origae-6 are all but a drop in the Ocean of the Potential for the Boundaries of Space the Engineers are aware of.

 

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Thanks Ingeniero.

How I would like that the “cataclysm causing the extermination of the adults … leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm …”, that cataclysm to be the war of the worlds Ridley Scott mentioned for the next film. It would be a fantastic closing of the gap. How extraordinary if David takes the Covenant to the home world of the beaked creature.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

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Davids time on the planet depends on:

Did he have a role in the Solar Flare incident? With another being, WY or he had a weapon that could cause seemingly that incident.

Did MU TH UR give a false response for the reason of the crash.

Did WY send a colony ship to fly relatively near Planet 4 in space terms so that an intricate plan would land David on The Covenant.

If this sounds silly, the opposite, it was a random event.

Which just happens right next to a perfect planet, calling with a human voice to a Planet that just happens to be the one, David, Weylands son has been inhabiting for ten years. At a time where he has Facehugger embryos which fit exactly into the covenant storage.

For me since David went online he has being acting out a most intricate plan to become who he wants to be.... ??

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

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I believe the answers to your questions below are all yes sherris.

"Did he have a role in the Solar Flare incident? With another being, WY or he had a weapon that could cause seemingly that incident.

Did MU TH UR give a false response for the reason of the crash.

Did WY send a colony ship to fly relatively near Planet 4 in space terms so that an intricate plan would land David on The Covenant."

I believe an Engineer weapon in response to the first question.

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Its interesting to ponder such things... but i think a lot of it has to do with plain Lazy Writing and Shoe-Horning in Plot Devices... everything just happened to be too much of a Coincidence.

I just hope the writing improves for the Sequel... But to me it seems pretty straight forwards as far as the Set Up.

David goes to Origae-6 he covers his tracks from the events of AC, so that he can come up with a elaborate scheme to explain the missing crew etc to the other Colonist.   He uses these to began setting up the colony on Origae-6.  I would assume he needs their help to build the colony as far as setting it partially up.

Then David will unleash his Agenda to use these Colonist as Hosts for his Creations...

He Lures in a Company Ship, and maybe the company send in another ship who will not know of any Agenda and assume they are arriving at the Origae-6 Covenant colony.

We get a whole replay of a Aliens kind of Flick, Colonist, Eggs, Xenomorphs and the Company/Military.

While this is happening, we see Engineers return to Planet 4/Paradise some 8-9 years after the events of Alien Covenant and they discover the destruction left behind and want to find who is responsible.

They discover Walter and somehow from Walter they determine the culprit David is heading to Origae-6 and so off goes these Engineers to Origae-6

They arrive and Face off against the Company and Xenomorphs, at the end the company force is destroyed, David maybe too? who knows.. The Engineers then are very interested in the Organism David has Created.

They then either take some of Davids Eggs and head to LV-223 to further the experiments, or they take David to LV-223 where he can help them to further create and improve the Bio-Weapon.

I think this would be where a 3rd movie would take place, on or around LV-223 as unless its lazy writing they have to show us HOW, WHY and WHEN a Engineer Ship happens to be within the LV-223/426 system with a Cargo of Eggs.

I think ultimately they will go the route that not only are the WY company very interested in Davids Creation but the Engineers or who are above the Engineers are also interested... and they become victims of this pursuit.

Much like the W-Y Company etc does in the following Alien Franchise movies.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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