ALIEN 5: Resurect? or Purge?

So, let's just forget everything that's happened and get rid of that nasty but necessary feeling that things evolve?

Sorry, the 1980's are over, as well as all the TERMINATORs and PREDATORs and the sort. It was fun at the time, but, seriously, can't people just get over and move on? I was a teenager then, but not anymore - I know better now.

Seriouly?! Blomkamp and Ripley and Hicks and... Seriously?!

All good things come to an end, even Star Wars is looking tired.

I've no wish to see a 70year old Ripply running around a strange planet. Having said all this it'll be interesting to see how Predator rewrites itself.

before Scott kid napped and ruined the trajectory of his own franchise alien 5 momentum was building. After the horrific and polorizing last 2 prequel prequels it's time to answer the questions he promised to with Prometheus.  The terror and intrigue launched in the original alien needs to be pursued. Bring it 

hardboiled is kind of right. Besides, no matter what comes down the pike, it will not likely be a huge money maker as the franchise history has shown and hard core fans will find ways to bitch about whatever comes next. Godzilla has an animated origins story coming next week and looks pretty good. Maybe the Alien franchise should stretch out a bit like some have suggested. Hmm. Maybe the Godzilla franchise isn't all worried about profits. It has eleven time lines and everything is pretty much canon. It has a history dating back to the 1960s to be conservative, and still has a huge fan base. Hmm...

No, I don't trust Blomkamp as a director and with all my love to Sigourney and Ripley it all looks like a kind of necrophilia.

Also I don't like that a plot disrespects Alien3 and Resurrection.

What I want to see - a true sequel to Prometheus which will expand the Universe of the franchise and won't use hackneyed cliches.

My vote is, after Ridley's next and hopefully final disappointing prequel to Alien, they should do an Alien 5 while the cast is still alive and then start a completely new trilogy with characters we care about and new strains of xeno's and a further exploration of the Engineers with much more Giger influence on the landscapes etc.

It's ageist to suggest that Sigourney Weaver cannot be an action star at her age. Ellen Ripley is, in my opinion, the greatest fictional character ever created. And Sigourney is, at minimum, 50% responsible for that.  Do I want more Ripley? Yes. Do I think Sigourney can still kick ass? Yes. Do I think Neill Blomkamp would make a fantastic ALIEN sequel? YES! He's a great filmmaker. He's gone on record that ALIENS is his favorite movie of all time. He's so desperate to make his ALIEN movie that he already got Sigourney to star in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQ2t_yNHQs (Not to mention CHAPPIE!) I honestly don't understand why someone wouldn't want a new ALIEN sequel! RESURRECTION was horribly open-ended.  

Some very interesting and Valid Points raised...

In favor of a Alien 5 i think personally the route Blomkamp was to take would have been a mistake, indeed it could still be pulled off but it would have to be about passing the Torch onto Newt, the movie would also have to be set some 25 years after Aliens if it was being worked on NOW... if a Alien 5 Project was Resurrected in 2-3 years then they have to take this into account when portraying the Age of Ripley and what year it would be set in.   Because while Miss Weaver may look good for her near 70 years, they would still have  trouble trying to portray to the Fans a Ripley aged more than 10 years what Miss Weaver is at the time of shooting and so looking at Blomkamps Concept Work this Ripley does not look the wrong side of 50 never mind in her 60's and so having a Miss Weaver pulling off a 45 year old Ripley would have been a push.

Also the Alien 5 concept by Blomkamp would have just given us the same thing we have seen over and over for the most part, and would also mean we have to view Alien 3 and Alien R in a different Light...

Why i think while Blomkamps Ideas had some Merit, i feel that some of these ideas could well be used in a Alien 5 but not as far as bringing back Ripley and not as far as bringing back the Traditional Aliens Queen.

What's wrong with bringing back the traditional Aliens queen? Its cannon. I would like both the queen and the egg morphing explored more in the forefront. 

I think its a case of how do you do this justice?

If its handled wrong then it could back fire and cause the beast to be overcooked....

The Franchise is split, as far as Fanbase and some Fans would indeed love to see Xenomorphs and Queens and another movie that is like a Remake of Aliens, but its a case of if we go to the Well to many times it becomes Dry....

I feel a Alien Sequel aka Alien 5 has to try something different, i mean there has to be a SOLID Reason why after Alien 3 the Franchise had 200 year Gap with no Xenomorphs (but movies could fill in this gap) but we have to ask the BIG QUESTION...

Why go after Ripley in Alien 3?  

Was the Derelict completely Destroyed?  we have to assume so, but then AC shows us Xenomorph Eggs exist on Planet 4 as part of Davids Experiments, and David is off to Origae-6 and from his TWO Face Hugger Embryos we must eventually arrive at Thousands of Eggs that end up on the Derelict.... so surely there could be Xenomorphs on Planet 4 and Origae-6

Indeed we can SAFELY Assume so now, but there has to be a Reason that the Companies only means to the Xenomorph is via Ripley and after she had Sacrificed herself to the Fire Pit.... the Xenomorph died with her... until Alien Resurrection where they resurrected if via Cloning Ripley (bit of a flawed Plot).   So i think as far as a Literal Sequel to Alien Resurrection it would be better to explore something different.

We have to assume, that by the time of Aliens the Derelict and those Eggs are all that remains of Davids Xenomorph for some Reason, and after the Destruction of the Derelict in Aliens with the Destruction of Hadleys Hope, the only route left was via a infected Ripley.  Thus the Xenomorph is GONE... but they could try and Re-clone Ripley from Ripley 8 DNA but this would be a copy of Alien Resurrection, or they could have it some Xenomorphs or DNA survived the destruction of the  USM Auriga.  But again why tread over something all ready done.

We cant have a Alien 5 with Xenos and Queens, and a Alien Prequels with Xenos and Queens unless its done Perfectly, and so far every Alien movie after Alien 3 has had a flawed approach....

HOWEVER......

We are shown the Xenomorph is a creation of David's  and so at some point, Davids Creation must Evolve to become more Bio-Mechanical and Multiply to become Thousands of Eggs, and so if the next few movies link to Alien then they have to at least in some way cover the Xenomorph.

A few Xenomorph Related Events that have to happen and potential holes that need covering are.

*Davids Creations must end in Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict (plus how a Queen could arise)

*David still has a number of Eggs on Planet 4

*David is off to Origae-6 the Advent Prologue suggesting he wishes to see his creation develop and his Wolves need Lambs (Colonist) and a Queen and so David must on Origae-6 create another Nest of Eggs.

These all leave avenues to be explored and introduce us to the Xenomorph if done right, and as far as any other sequel to the Original Franchise, or Parallel stories that do not involved the events between Alien Covenant and Alien Literally, must be avenues where we explore something different and not the Xenomorph.

It will also be interesting to see how he will make so much progress in so little time with only 2 face hugger embryos and no lab equipment (unless he can magically make-shift what is on-board). 

Thats a good point, which shows the writing for Alien Covenant was flawed, in many ways...I may consider taking Alien Covenant and doing a Re-write myself, i did start with the same with Prometheus but abandoned it however...

So we do need to look at the events from Alien Covenant to Alien, we have about (maximum) 18 years before we get to Alien, if David created the Xenomorph so lets say if Dr Shaw decided to leave David in Two Pieces at the End of Prometheus or even just recovered his head and tossed it into the Flames of some of the Prometheus Wreckage... then we would not have no Xenomorph Eggs on the Derelict?

If indeed David is the creator, so here is something else to consider... David must be able to increase the number of Eggs to Thousands and for them to get onto a Engineer Ship, all within 17-18 years, with just TWO Face Hugger Embryos.

It appears David will be going to Origae-6 which will take 7.5 years and so by the time David arrives at Origae-6 if we assume he uses the Covenant, then we only had a Period of 10 years for Thousands of his Creations to be ready in Egg Form and end up on LV-426 which we can safely assume is no where near Origae-6

We can assume the Covenant Ship has Laboratories, Med Bays etc, and so maybe one way could be if David was to Tinker and Experiment with one Embryo to then extracts its DNA and Splice it with the Human (we assume) Embryos?  But having some Black Goo would make this Task easier, maybe he snuck some on the ship with him?  But its a bit of a stretch, but then so was him having time to make himself look like Walter and Obtain those Face Hugger Embryos.  I am sure while he was in his Workshop it would have taken but a minute longer maybe less to get a Black Goo Glass Vial.

But then what is stopping David from going to Planet 4 again to pick up some more Black Goo and/or Eggs/Embryos?

The only other option would be one of...

A) The Xenomorph Procreation, does his creations Egg Morph, or does one become a Queen?

B) The Engineers arrive and take Davids few Creations to LV-223 where they begin to Mass Produce them?

anything that retcons alien 3 is bad for the franchise in my opinion. people have to realize that alien 3 probably expanded the universe more than any other film in the series. if they ignore alien 3, remember that the xenomorph dose not take the form of its host. it will always look the same. a humanoid. this would then kill atleast 95% of the comics and toy parts of the franchise.

Totally Agree.....

I think a Alien 5 would be a good idea down the line, but it would have to be something NEW, and Blomkamps ideas had some interesting things to explore, however introducing the Queen and Ripley again is not one that should be followed.

"The Engineers arrive and take Davids few Creations to LV-223 where they begin to Mass Produce them?"

This, if they will explain that the SJ is an Engineer, then at least they will explain why there are so many eggs on the Derelict. I would probably prefer that the SJ is a long distant relative to the Engineers though which could explain the difference in size between them.

Timmy: I don't want them to retcon Alien 3 either, I would be disappointed if they did so. They better not do that being that they have done enough damage with Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

I agree that Alien 5 should resurrected if it reconciles to Prometheus. The avenues to explore explained above are fertile ground. I really like the idea of following the evolution of the Queen shown in Aliens. I wasn't really excited about the queen until David said he found his at the end of Alien: Covenant.