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What could happen to the Covenant at Origae 6 and beyond

Batchpool

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The way AC ended has left the Covenant and crew possibly, and most likely heading towards Origae 6. The question is, what happens when it gets there?

What exactly would happen to the craft itself once it has reached its destination? Would it just simply drop everyone off with enough provisions to set up a new outpost settlement and then steer its way back on autopilot to earth to pick up more crew and head off somewhere else. If it were to head back to earth would it need a Walter to act as caretaker?

Alternatively, would the Covenant have to land on Origae 6 to be cannibalised into useful components to help build the new colony?

I think things could get interesting if it was to make a return journey because then it could have an AI in charge and an unknown cargo.

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That would certainly fit with what David said about Peter Weyland's compassion MonsterZero.

"I never experienced such compassion. Certainly not from Mr. Weyland."

David, Prologue: The Crossing

The cricket bat is nothing but the same tool as the cup of tea. A plot device to show a device with questions it's place.

Great points ali81 and I'm dying to see who David sent his Advent message to at Weyland-Yutani I Moon Girl.

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Great topic Batchpool.

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And I can give you a nightmare scenario for David: Before Peter Weyland died, he created a replicant/synth of himself.......Much stronger than David(or any synth) and with all the 'bells and whistles'.   So in essence Peter Weyland would still be in charge, immortal and still pulling David's strings.

 

I would also bring the Nostromo into the action as a possible bridge between the movies. (May or may not be possible to replicate($$$ 3d printing?)the Nostromo's interior.)

Peter Weylands synth body has been exploring the galaxy and is now just arriving on the Nostromo and is in shouting distance of the Covenant.

 

 

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MonsterZero - The android Weyland idea is great! Arriving hand in hand with an android Shaw? :)

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Batchpool - 'Ati I have only just realised this, but the scenes between the engineer and the trilobite in Prometheus are nearly identical to the scenes where the crew are fighting the space dragon in Space 1999.'

Totally true!

In fact, the Space 1999 scenes with the monster are more gruesome since it eats the crew and is kind enough to give back their skeletons. Imagine those scenes on a movie level in 2019/20.

The mysterious (Alien-like) space graveyard scenes in the first half of the movie combined with the scenario described by Michelle Johnston in her previous comment would form an awesome Alien prequel movie in my opinion.

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"The problem with David is that if he wants to do experiments, I don't think he would do them on the Covenant.  The reason being is if he is working with creatures with acid for blood,"

This ^^^^ and your other point about the contaminated Planet 4 are very good points, indeed David could just take the Colonist and One by One experiment on them on board the Covenant, and in one way if things get out of hand he could maybe Quarantine part of the Ship but this could lead to the Set Up of a Plot not to far off the Movie (Pandorum) which funny enough i came up with ONE possible Sequel to AC prior to the Advent Viral Prologue and prior to me even knowing of the the movie Pandorum where some Colonist awake in a Quarantined part of the Ship and then explore the ship that has become a Xenomorph Hive... but i doubt FOX will take this kind of route.

The notion of Acid Blood also gives a good reason to not conduct experiments on a Star Ship, the notion of a contaminated Planet 4 is also interesting if after all the events of the Black Goo and Davids experiments on Planet 4 lead to his most Perfected Creation which a Human Female was required, he may indeed want to FURTHER this CREATION without contamination and this gives a good reason to head to PASTURES NEW

We have to maybe consider WHY LV-223 had different Compounds/Outposts maybe for the same reasons.. (different Petra Dish for each Experiment)

As far as your other points they are interesting but who knows for sure.

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Regarding the Rest and what may apply to the Engineers its all very open at the moment to debate.

We always have to take the Movies as Canon and YES DVD Extras and deleted Scenes and Viral Information has to be taken as NOT Canon for the most part, even though some does provide us Canon Information these are subject to Change... so the information on LV-426 and Ridley Scotts Space Jockey Explanation have to all be taken as Non-Canon now and we just have to wait to see how the next few movies UNFOLD

I would say the ADVENT however is a Set-Up Prologue for the Direction they WAS/maybe are still going, much like the CROSSING was a Set-Up for Alien Covenant and so David would have found out quite a bit about the LV-223 Engineers at least between his journey from LV-223 to Planet 4

There has to be a reason WHY those LV-223 and Planet 4 Engineers are different if not for the Aesthetics, but the way of LIFE,  Planet 4 seemed void of the Technology of the LV-223 Engineers apart from in the odd few places. These differences would be something that i think should be explored and would be explored, are those who return similar to the LV-223 Engineers or the Planet 4 ones? Or are they all ONE and the SAME and its just a case of Ridley Scott Oversight..

The OLIVE BRANCH is a piece of Bad Writing that backs them into a corner for sure, much like the Covenant Ending (but that was even more poor) but then the Olive Branch is a Shoe-horn way to get the Company INVOLVED!

We have to wonder what state is communication like in the Alien Universe at the time of Alien Covenant?

So if the Covenant Ship which was delayed by less than 8 weeks with the events of Alien Covenant, was to reach Origae-6 around the year 2111-2112 as planned, would and how could the company know about what had transpired?  The Covenant would likely had reached Origae-6 in the year 2111-2112 if it had proceeded as planned, and then what happens? Franco contacts W-Y to say they arrived?

So the Olive Branch is a Plot Device to allow for ONE of the incoming Parties to arrive.

The notion that David is off to Origae-6 instead of staying on Planet 4, as well as maybe because of those TWO good reasons IMoonGirl mentioned is another reason to pull the ENGINEERS into the Story, we could not have David set up his experiments on Planet 4 and then have the Engineers turn up as then how do we pull in the OTHER Parties especially if ONE is the Company.

So having Origae-6 as the Center Piece is Logical.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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I would like to touch upon the AI as this could be interesting...

I dont know if anyone from FOX ever came across what little i posted regarding my Prometheus 2, which i kept a lot to myself as i abandoned it but i did use it as the basis to discus things AC related once we saw the MEET WALTER Virals come around.

My P2 did touch upon creation, and mortality it had a David dream much like the AC Prologue, but David was playing Chess with Weyland.... my idea was that Weyland had a Secret Agenda and Plan called OPERATION ROOK in that Weyland had a Tower on Mars that contained a lot of his works and Weylands ULTIMATE Agenda was to Build the Perfect AI that could Mimic Human Emotions, Experience Human Experiences and Learn from them...   As well as Build the Perfect Synthetic Host...

Weyland then wanted to Upload his own Emotions, Experiences into a AI Program, that would in essence allow Weyland to Transcend and become IMMORTAL if Weyland could back up his SOUL and Transfer this into a Synthetic then he would have CHEATED DEATH the basis for these ideas came from how from David 1 to David 8 we have the same David, who is Weylands Son... this was because after Each Prototype... Weyland Uploaded Davids SOUL into a New Model.

This in effect gave David a Soul, and then how different is he to us? If there is NO afterlife and our SOUL only consists of our Memories, Emotions that are impacted by our upbringing and experiences.. then HOW DIFFERENT really is David to a Human?

So my idea i worked on early 2014 to mid 2014 touched upon this... its also why Weyland developed certain Technology like the Dream Capture Visor, this was Technology that was the Precursor to Uploading a Humans Soul.

Weyland however found this Technology to not be Perfect, the AI Algorithm and Human Memories proved to conflict so that it would go a bit HAYWIRE and the AI Cloned Soul would go Crazy, more so than we see the effects on David.

so Weyland abandoned his plans... and turned to Dr Shaw and Holloways Gods as the last Chance for Weyland to Cheat Death....

Weyland however, had a back up... he had created a Synthetic Miss Vickers to ensure no one else could overtake the company, and she was ordered after 9 Months of no contact, to reveal herself and take charge of the Company and Activate the Operation Rook Program...  Miss Vickers began this but she was found out to be a Synthetic when a Attempted Assassination by Yutani Geisha had revealed (after Vickers dispatched them) that she was a Synthetic and a Synthetic has NO RIGHTS and so Peter Weylands Nephew would inherit the Company but part of that deal with Yutani was to surrender all Assets apart from Science and Terra forming, all Medical, Military and AI would go to Yutani and this set up the Merger.

Then i was to ponder that Weylands Rook AI uploaded itself and replicated as a Virus and became in control and pulling the Strings... But this AI became a Combination of Davids AI and Weylands.

I BRING this up.... because i would NOW not put something similar past what Plans Ridley Scott has.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Bigdave, what is the Company's obsession with the xenomorph? It seems the Engineer tech is much more useful. Also, how far is Orgae-6 from LV-426? 

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The First Question is always a interesting one...

One that makes little sense, especially since Prometheus as we have the Black Goo, and Engineer Technology and why pursue the Xenomorph and not those other things?  We could only ponder that prior to ALIEN we have it where NOTHING remains of the Engineer Technology and Black Goo and so the XENOMORPH is the only remnants of this Technology/Bio Weapon left to obtain.

Now Alien Covenant revealed that David is the Creator of the Xenomorph and he actually passes on what he had done to the Company, it makes it a bit more Strange for the Companies Pursuit of the Xenomorph...

UNLESS.... its revealed that the Company is Ran and maybe behind the Scenes Ran, by AI then the Pursuit of the Xenomorph would make much more Sense.

As for the 2nd Question we dont have any answers...   LV-426 is about 39.7 Light Years from Earth the same distance as LV-223, which takes the Prometheus 2 years approx to reach but the Nostromo 10 Months and we simply dont know how fast the Covenant Ship can Travel... for this we need to know the Distance in Light Years of Origae-6 and all we know for sure is Origae-6 is 8-9 years Travel from Earth.

How far is this depends on the Speed of the Covenant Ship, the Prometheus Travels at just over 19X the Speed of Light and so in 8-9 years the Prometheus would Travel 150-170 Light Years.  The Nostromo could travel at nearly 47X the Speed of Light and so in 8-9 years would reach 370-420 Light Years and so for the Covenant its completely open for debate.

But i would Safely Assume Origae-6 is over 150 Light Years from Earth, but maybe no more than 450 Light Years but again until we have the Distance of Origae-6 or the Distance of Planet 4 its open  to anyone's guess.

I would say however that LV-426 is a good 6-7 years closer Travel than Origae-6 and so i would assume Origae-6 is 5-7X further away from Earth than LV-426

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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