Shaw's Fate: Relation to Eggs.

Note: The fact that the dissected egg in the lab is smaller means that David removes the egg before it is fully developed and when he puts them in the cave they continue to grow. (The preserved facehugger on the table must have come from a fully developed egg, but must have been non-evolved.)

EDIT: one time Ridley Scott said: "Shaw technically doesn't die" meaning he has the intention that Shaw is alive.

Interesting theory... and we can be sure that David had incapacitated Dr Shaw and maybe kept her Alive for some time....  The Crest around her Head could have been a means to Incapacitate her, but also keep her alive....   The idea this was constructed from her Body Parts is interesting and certainly cant be ruled out.

We do see Smaller Eggs in Davids Workshop, it is likely if Dr Shaws Egg Cells produce those Eggs, David would want to extract them before they GROW too large....  

So having the Womb/Chest Cavity with less Organs would make the Growing and Extracting Process more simple....

Looking at some of Davids Drawings.. which could just be what he had running through his AI Brain and not what he carried out...  We do have some showing Dr Shaw Pregnant and then some with her being infected with a Face Hugger... and so we cant rule out the Cavity being where David would Gestate and Remove Xenomorph Embryos from too.

So its quite ambiguous but this allows for plenty of discussion.

"EDIT: one time Ridley Scott said: "Shaw technically doesn't die" meaning he has the intention that Shaw is alive."

I am not quite sure he has said that, will have to check it out.

The Technically Does not Die Quote had first Originated from a Source i had who had information regarding the earlier 2014 Prometheus 2 drafts...    Where they claimed Dr Shaw Technically does not Die, she is incapacitated for the most part, she plays a Small but Vital Role in Davids RE-CREATION of IT (could be Xenomorph or Deacon).  They also hinted that  in context to Paradise Lost.... Without Sin (i asssume Satans Daughter) there would be NO Xenomorphs and that Humans play the Bigger Role in the Xenomorph Creation.  Not Engineers.

When putting this together..... (Sin was constantly in labor giving birth to Hounds of Hell that ripped at her Entrails as they are Born) only to heal and continue this Cycle.  Looking at a Human  being involved more with the Xenomorph Creation...   And then the Sources comments that David wanted to play GOD and Create his own Creation and all he needed was Knowledge and Tools and he has BOTH.

Then their description of a Humanoid attached to some Bio-Mechanical Device/Wall and Apparatus, which indeed some of the unused Concept Works showed was Dr Shaws fate..

It appears maybe the Source from November 2014 that i had been passed on to in February 2015.... Might have been Correct.

Love the theory even though I think she is dead. If she is in a coma, why would her eyes be open and very dead looking? (it seems most of our most interesting theories are not what RS had in mind. He seems to have been going with a much more shallow story). 

I really wish this theory was true because it is so cool! Why would it not be explained AT ALL in the movie though if it is such an original idea?

@Critters5

1. Shaw's body has been exposed to the black ooze, so she is going through some transformations, or David has opened her eyes so he can check her every so often like an eye doctor.

2. Ridley Scott had originally intended to follow the path of David and Shaw, but then FOX wanted to make more $$$ so they made him change the whole plot, he might of been planning to explain what happened but FOX didn't want or care about it.

I think Dr Shaw is dead in that image, but i think she was alive at some point while David was experimenting on her.

It would have been interesting to see where the Prometheus Sequel was going prior to Harper and Logan being brought in....  FINGERS CROSSED we may see a leak or release of Paglens drafts or Greens Evolution of Paglens Drafts.

Movie guy, I dk sounds like a stretch. I think your theory is likely correct but I think she is dead. What role would she play in the sequel being left behind in that state alive??

@Critters5

What role did the deacon at the end of "Prometheus" play in "Covenant"?

What I think happens for the sequel is that in my first image (close up of Shaw's face) David was transferring Shaw to the covenant, or maybe he extracted some eggs from Shaw and transferred them to the covenant. With the image in the lab, we can't see Shaw's face too clearly, Shaw could have her eyes closed in that picture.

@BigDave

In the first image, i'm pretty sure that could be David transferring Shaw to the covenant or Right after the crash, In the second image Shaw is lying on the table as if for an operation, probably alive but in a coma.

Movie fan

Sorry but she looks dead, her color is that of a corpse, she hasn't got any tubes to feed or bring air to her body, there is no heart to pump blood, no lungs to breath.

She did not decompose because the movie wants not to... 

Critters5, maybe the engineers could "rebuild" her and give her the bloody answers (which many fans would have wanted), make her reboot Walter (or other human device left there by the Covenant crew, ok I prefer the second choice) to find about where David went (remember they did not invent binary logic). 

Remember my theory of the crest: it is made of bone to hold it together, and the organs: Heart, Intestines, Stomach, and lungs to keep Shaw alive.

That's my point the deacon played no role other than a heads up to fanboys. How in the world would David have time to carry her ripped up body into the covenant without anyone seeing and at what point in the film lol? And yes Movie fan she looks dead dead dead. 

Movie fan, I don't think Shaw is going to be moving her body anywhere to help the engineers. I think she is a dead ripped up piece of meat. 

@Critters5

I didn't say she could move herself, in fact if Shaw won't be able to stand on her legs because David removed her hip bones for the crest and to make room for the growing egg. David moved her on the table after the crash to keep her stabilized.

Critters5 

I'm an ignorant guy not a movie fan, however. And yes she is probably dead, but one can a stupid a-hole like me hope for A space Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? But the those are dreams...

Movie fan

So David is also a master surgeon now, using no tools? And how can organs be kept in the open and no infections to appear and contaminate everything?

I also got another reason why Shaw might not be dead: When the Juggernaut crashed David was completely fine, so it wasn't a very rough landing and Shaw was most likely okay if not shook up. David did the surgery on Shaw when she got pregnant and her womb couldn't contain the growing mass, so David crafted a crest to hold her important organs and keep her alive while allowing eggs to grow in her body.

Shaw made many eggs and David performed the extraction procedure on the table.

@ignorantGuy

David somehow had the tools to display and dissect many creatures found on the planet, he even has a display of a humanoid in his lab, so he most likely had the tools to perform the operation.

Exactly Ignorantguy, its too much of a stretch for no purpose. 

David could survive a crash better because he is a robot. Eitherway until they state you are right we can only speculate. I think your theory for what David was doing to get the eggs is correct but I think she was dead at the point that covenant arrived and not decomposed because RS wanted her not to be rotten yet so we could see what he had done to Shaw obviously. 

Movie fan Ok, but dissecting is not the same as "re-routing" nerve tissue . As she does no have a spinal cord anymore,logically it follows that the organs must be controlled directly by the brain somehow and that is as likely as the head in the jar thing. And her hair would touch the life sustaining organs? That surely is not a way to infection... 

And you still does not answer how the organs don't get infected if they are stored in the open at the room temperature.

But look, look your theory could be right, but ultimately if she was not dead by the time of Covenant, what would have been Scott's plan  for her.

Critters5 "RS wanted her not to be rotten yet so we could see what he had done to Shaw obviously. " RS is proud of what he has to his character? Great achievement indeed.

I know, I was personally pissed Shaw was killed it was the only likeable Alien character since Alien 3. 

@Critters5

True, but we don't know if she's dead, we can only speculate ;)

Lol fair enough. But the hole idea of utilizing women as birthing machines fascinates me lol. Its kind of like the lactating women in Mad max 4. Too bad Disney will PC up the series for sure. 

Movie fan

And it also bothers me if she is not dead, why would David make her a grave and sing to her picture? To fools the audience who wanted to know what happened to her? Does he know he is a character?

I never seen a grave, but I will have to watch "Covenant" again to make sure.

He shows the grave to the other AI. 

I must have missed that part. (I went to the restroom at one point.)

What were the words that David said during the scene?

Lol I didn't memorize the lousy script. Just re-watch it. 

Will do ;)

oops double post.

Excellent topic Movie fan. The growth around Dr. Shaw's head (does she still retain her doctor in this state) does look like a graph from other parts of the body.

David placed a flower on Shaw's memorial outside looking over the plaza while he was quoting Ozymandias word for word without error. David then blew it when he quoted wrong author of the poem and Walter caught the mistake. 

I think a lot of these Problems MAY stem from the Direction and Ideas that were in the Earlier Drafts...

If the Source i had is correct/real... then there was more of a Bio-Mechanical and Advanced Technology to the Engineers City, Certainly Internally inside the buildings.

They had suggested vaguely that Dr Shaw is incapacitated by David, Shes plays a Key Role in the Xenomorphs Re-Creation and allows David to Create his own Creation...  and that she was connected to a Bio-Mechanical Device.....

Now it appears when working on Alien Covenant, they had decided to TONE down the HR Giger Inspired Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic and if this is true and the Source had information on earlier drafts and some of these ideas had Progressed to Alien Covenant but NOW they had to get rid of Engineer Bio-Mechanical Technology then they would have to come up with other but similar ways to show Dr Shaws Fate.

So if she was intended to be connected to a HR Giger Inspired Bio-Mechanical Device/Table/Machine... then it would make more sense for her to be ALIVE but INCAPACITATED but if they was told to Totally Tone down any HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic then i guess the Dr Shaw we got is the best they could come up with.

Matt Hatton had pondered maybe David  (some how) could Resurrect Dr Shaw and keep her Alive, so that David could Perform his Experiments over and over....     Where Hatton had this idea from is any ones guess... maybe its something those working on the Story had thrown about?

Going the Technologically NOT Advanced City/Engineers route, means David had some Primitive Tools well Tools/Technology that are say prior to the  Victorian Era so 1700's to early 1800's as far as Medical Equipment etc...

And so YES its very odd how David could Dissect those Organisms with such Precision, this is a FLAW the Writers never thought much about.

Much like how all those Experiments are well Preserved...

We can only ASSUME David Drained all the Blood, and then pumped or some other means a substance that acted like more advanced Embalming Fluid

Regarding the CRASH....

Its ambiguous and so we dont know WHEN/HOW it happened...  Wayne Haagg suggested the Juggernaught and Docking Ship had a DUST UP and so a Battle and thus both ships Crashed.

So its likely the Juggernaut Crashed after this.. and so Dr Shaw would have been in Cryo-Sleep..   But maybe the Ship Never Crashed into the Mountains at this Point?   But Latter... as some have said in the Take me Home Dr Shaw Hollogram Ship she looked in a rush/panic and so maybe she was trying to get the SHIP to take off to Escape David?  Causing it to Crash again?

Maybe She was trying to Escape with the Ship Crashed into the Mountain its one of those Subjects open to debate...

IgnorantGuy raises good points regarding how does David use her Organs connected to her Head and be able to keep her alive, with such a Environment and Tools... without discomposing..

This is again just Bad Writing really by those working on the project if this was the case.... but then the Black Goo McGuffin could play a Role in how this COULD work...

Myself i think she was ALIVE before but DEAD in Alien Covenant and David likely once he had obtained Enough Eggs, he then decided to USE a Face Hugger on Dr Shaw and then Extracted the Organism from within her.   But thats just my TWO CENTS

Hattan and Hallet had done some drawings depicting this, so i think this may have happened, but they also did some of Dr Shaw Evolving into something else... which David wanted to do.... but DID-NOT as she refuses... so those Drawings could be Davids Dreams/Thoughts and Intentions but nothing he actually carried out.

BigDave Yes but the more David does the more he becomes a reverse Gary Stu. Why would a late 21st century Android know how to embalm things? How to create embalming liquid from scratch? Did he download the Internetz before going on the Prometheus? 

And no, the Black goo is much to un-precise to do neuro-surgery with.

Well we dont know what kind of Funeral Rituals the Engineers had, what they do to their Dead, if not maybe the Higher Figures in their Society... were some Engineers treated with the kinds of Burial Rituals that the Egyptian Royalty were?   Where did the Egyptians learn this from in context to the Franchise (Ancient Alien Theory).

Could David not have acquired the knowledge during his maybe up to 69 years since activation?

If the Engineers Embalmed some of their kind maybe David could discover how this was done, or do we assume the Engineer City was some place David never totally explored and/or Engineers never kept any records?

I guess all we can do and all i was trying to do is look at any LOGICAL ways to maybe explain some of the Lack of Logic or Thought the Writers of Alien Covenant had ;)

The Black Goo has been given some McGuffin Qualities with the Extras for Alien Covenant, who knows what they can explain away with it NOW ;)

I think all we can do is HOPE that the Next (if there is one) Movie is more thought out... ;)

If Shaw is dead then she died recently because the facehuggers David brought on the Covenant were embryos.

I think it depends on how long the Embryos stay in the Eggs...  It certainly is a good point as far as those Embryos must have came from the Smaller Eggs..

We simply dont know HOW those Smaller Eggs Grow to the Size of the ones in the Egg Catacomb unless they are planted and Grow....

But we dont know how they grow, what process is involved, or how old the Smaller Eggs are compared to the Larger Ones.  David does have some Smaller Eggs in his Workshop.

The Question regarding how do these fit with the Large Eggs and how they are created is something thats very ambiguous.  So too is the whole situation with Dr Shaw as far as WHEN she was captured by David, and HOW long was she kept like this being experimented on.

Its doubtful she has been Dead for Many Years, but its open to debate for how LONG she had been dead by the time the Covenant Arrive.

Here are a few shots of Dr Shaw as far as Props where we can get a better look at what happened to her.

Of Note...  Its also likely the Head Crest is there to make a connection to the Xenomorph Queen Crest and so to Symbolise/Show that Dr Shaw is in effect the Queen to those Xenomorph Eggs... rather than actually being some construction to keep her alive..