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BigDave

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It has been over 39 years since we first saw the Enigmatic Space Jockey Scene, and its NOW been over 8 years since our Prequels had entered their Production where Originally the Space Jockey Mystery went from being loosely covered, to then no Longer being Covered.

Until.... We arrive at the work that went into Alien Covenant, the change in direction to eventually lead us to the Back Door of ALIEN and potentially lead us directly to the Space Jockey Mystery.

While the Franchise has hit a State of Limbo... I wish to Engage you all with these Few Questions and what your responses would be.

1) The Enigmatic Mystery....  should it be left Alone?  and do you think it will be left Alone or eventually Revealed?

2) If it is to be explored WHAT do you WANT to be revealed? Especially as far as WHO sits in that Chair on the Derelict!

*A Engineer (Prometheus or Alien Covenant type)?

*A Humanoid Related to the Engineers.?

*A More Alien Bi-Pedal being in a Space Suit?

*A Human (And Who/Where from?)

*A Synthetic (And Who/Where From?)

*The Skeletal Remains of a Alien Species?

3) If it is to be explored WHAT do you THINK will be revealed? Especially as far as WHO sits in that Chair on the Derelict!

*A Engineer (Prometheus or Alien Covenant type)?

*A Humanoid Related to the Engineers.?

*A More Alien Bi-Pedal being in a Space Suit?

*A Human (And Who/Where from?)

*A Synthetic (And Who/Where From?)

*The Skeletal Remains of a Alien Species?

So the First Question is if you think its should be answered or not, the Second Question is a case of What you would like to see! and the Final Question is a case of What you actually feel we would see!  which could be different to what you would have liked/wanted to have seen.

My opinion is

1) Maybe it should be left a Mystery, but we can get clues to how it could have happened as far as in other situations.  But i think they WAS going to directly take us to the Space Jockey Event/Mystery.

2) I would like to see the reveal as another Race above the Engineers that are somewhat Humanoid but not quite as Human looking as our Engineers, with David maybe being the Cause of the Space Jockeys Fate, Maybe as a Act of Redemption?

3) I think they could be showing us a Standard Engineer as the Space Jockey, and reveal David Causes this Event. Maybe as a Act of Redemption?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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It is "THE" mystery BigDave!

I have tried to address each of your questions below.

1) The Enigmatic Mystery....  should it be left Alone?  and do you think it will be left Alone or eventually Revealed?

Revealed.

 

2) If it is to be explored WHAT do you WANT to be revealed? Especially as far as WHO sits in that Chair on the Derelict!

*A Humanoid Related to the Engineers.?

I would like to see more of the Engineer's hierarchy.

 

3) If it is to be explored WHAT do you THINK will be revealed? Especially as far as WHO sits in that Chair on the Derelict!

*A Synthetic (And Who/Where From?)

A time-traveling Waltermorph may appear based on what we have seen in "canon" content.

This is not necessarily what I want but I believe it would ignite a war-like debate over everything, an exodus of various segments of fans, a panoply of insults, microaggression would bloom, etc...

 "Deckard" (source), great find.

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Interesting Video.....

Time-Traveling Walter i am not so sure about, i am not sure that placing a Time-Travel Element to make the Space Jockey appear Ancient is something that would be done...   But going the more Recent Plan which seems to be a Set-Up that David Creates the Xenomorph that will EVENTUALLY end up on the Derelict does pose a few Flaw.

*The Derelict looks a little Different, more Organic and so its a Question of would this be Addressed, does the Ship get INFECTED is it just a Older/Different or Newer Model than the Juggernaught.  Are the Juggernauts Reverse Engineered from the DERELICT? or will this all be a Oversight?

*The Derelict looks like it has been there for more than 10 years, which looking at by the Time David Arrives at Origae-6 it would be 10 years before the Events of ALIEN.

I am not sure they will address these... and IF they reveal David has RE-CREATED the Xenomorph they can By-Pass all of these. HOWEVER if they are continuing with David being the Creator then the following has to happen.

*There has to be a Engineer Ship that comes into play and IT has to eventually have THOUSANDS of Davids Xenomorph Eggs on board and so its likely eventually we may have seen HOW/WHEN this happens.

*There has to be some Evolution to the Xenomorph to get it to be the same as the ONE we see in ALIEN which is less Organic.

And looking at that Last Point... and looking at Alien Covenant being a Direct Set-Up to a Sequel or TWO that will lead to ALIEN then i do think we have to WONDER... where does the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic of the Xenomorph in ALIEN come from?

And so in part your video does touch upon the Potential for Introducing a  Synthetic Construct and the Fire and Stone Comics gave us ELDEN who could be infected with the Black Goo, and so we can WONDER can such a Synthetic Construct be infected with a FACE-HUGGER?

The MEET WALTER Marketing was interesting as we did hear a lot about DNA imprinting, and while Aesthetically the same on the Outside, Walter is different to David as far as a Component/Construction is concerned and Walter does appear to have some Organic Features well at least Synthetic Ones that Replicate the Internal Look of Organic Components when is this REALLY Necessary? As surely only a Outward Visual likeness to Humans should be enough.

So INDEED i think the Set-Up could have been that a More Modern Synthetic such as WALTER could provide the KEY to the Bio-Mechanical Atheistic to the Xenomorph.

PROMETHEUS was setting up the Philosophy of Sub-Creating and Rebellion by your Creation and the Hubris of Playing with Forbidden Fire.

So having a David Upload himself into a Walter Body which would be likely to happen as David has suffered some Damage over the years and the Walter Models are Evolved/Improved they just Lacked Davids Free-Will.   And David would ideally need to use a Walter Body if he is to Charade as Walter to those Colonist.

And so here is where the GREAT HUBRIS could come from... David getting himself a NEW BODY could in his Hubris leave him Open to be infected by his OWN Creation.

I would certainly think the Plans in Some-Way involved the WALTER Model or a Latter Model being used to Provide that Bio-Mechanical Element to the Xenomorph and so the WALTER-MORPH theory does hold some Weight IMO

Regarding the Colonist and being Replicants... thats a Interesting theory, and WHO knows.   This Deckard could be just a Easter Egg and nothing more.

ONE thing is for sure... the Franchise has Re-Used Concepts/Ideas that never made it into the Movies, and so there is a lot that can be used.

 

This is the Concept work for Elden who was going to be a Female Synthetic Construct... maybe they could Run with this?

It is what i was going to do with my Alien Covenant Sequel ideas... when a Female Synthetic Construct arrives via a incoming WY Ship and David becomes infatuated with her... he has finally found his Queen, as in the Synthetic Partner to his Agenda to become KING he manages to Tempt Her like Lucifer did with EVE and so he gets her to see to HIS ways, which he attempted and FAILED with Walter.

Latter i would have David working with a Engineer or their Hierarchy and come to a agreement... but then have these beings then USE Davids New Love Interest to EVOLVE Davids Creation.  David then gets his Revenge by being responsible for the Space Jockey Event by way of Sabotage and then DESTROYS LV-223. 

But ONE Ship escapes but the Destruction of LV-223 causes a Temporary Tear in Space that Sends the Derelict Back Thousands of Years.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Well, about biomechanical - Engineer from LV-223 already looks biomechanical. Mb black goo created only organic life forms (like as neomorphs). And only Engineers have another technology of biomechanization.

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I think we can all agree that in an ideal world that the Space Jockey should be left a mystery. However, should Ridley Scott ever get around to finishing his series of prequels it's likely he will needlessly retcon the enigmatic creature into something that will likely splinter the already divided Alien fanbase, possibly beyond repair.

In terms of what I think the Space Jockey should be. I have always thought it would be best explored in the story of the subjugation of the Hadley's Hope colony. I always imagined that the colonists, after inevitably failing to save Russ Jorden's life investigated the derelict Juggernaut, and in doing so likely examined the Space Jockey in great detail.

I always pictured one of the colonists studying the SJ realizing its head is a helmet before cutting it open with a cutting torch similar to what Ash used to remove Kane's helmet. However, upon removing the helmet this bust (by Dominic Qwek) represents quite clearly what I would prefer to be uncovered.

I know the Novel River of Pain explored the fate of Hadley's Hope, as too did a recent Dark Horse comic, the name of which eludes me atm. However, I feel the story would be best suited to be told in a TV serial (cough, cough - Disney streaming), with the episodes exploring many of the mysteries of the differences between the 1979 original and the second movie, the colony, the derelict, the egg chamber and Weyland-Yutani's motives, plans, and intentions.

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Yes BigDave, I was just pulling from the elements of what we have seen in canon content. Some of the video had to make you laugh too...that was deliberate.

The potential to include a time travel element would almost act as a punishment to the entire fan base. And I thought the "Deckard" reference might have significance other than a nod to Blade Runner Replicants. Elden in the comic didn't need time-travel to become something similar to the Space Jockey when absorbing into the LV-223 pyramid.

I have to agree with Gavin regarding an Alien TV series that would explain the different components of the franchise that adopts the concepts from content in film, novels, comics, etc...

I believe this approach would help enrich the already released material in film by providing existing character development, new worlds, and also dive deeper into Weyland-Yutani Corporation and the technical tools used.

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For bridging "Alien: Awakening" to Alien there is only one connection I would like to see made. It was an idea that has been floated here several times and many moons ago, and I apologise but I can't remember whose idea it originally was.  

David ends up becoming Ash. Downloaded partition of himself? 

Engineer's get wiped out in "Awakening"

Space Jockey to remain a complete mystery and is referenced only as a Engineer "Alpha" race 

This sets up Alien with a really eerie new twist, whilst maintaining some ambiguity.... And most importantly it isn't the train-wreck ending we can all see coming where David is the SJ.

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I Certainly think revealing another NOT-SO Human Race would be interesting, the Question is Should the Space Jockey be such a Race?

We have the Height Difference... hopefully this WONT be a Oversight and so maybe another Caste of Engineers or Humanoids would be better suited...   HR Giger's Mural and Concept Works seem to indicate to me the Space Jockey Race were Humanoids, like the Engineers who Self Sacrificed themselves to Procreate the Xenomorph (or now maybe related Organism) but the HR Giger Mural for ALIEN maybe cant be considered Canon, and does not mean they have to cover this connection.

So the Space Jockey could be very different to a HUMAN under that Suit.

HOWEVER... as Gavin Pointed out, that very Lovecraftian Bust is interesting but it looks a LITTLE too much like the Space Jockey apart from those Tentacles and so i dont like the idea of a Race like this being under the Suit...  They looks too similar to the Suit!

HOWEVER... Introducing a Race who look like this at the Top of the Hierarchy Chain is Certainly something that would be EPIC...  where this RACE either Create Space Suits for Humanoid Slaves to wear that resemble their Race... Aesthetically or have it some Humanoid Race above the Engineers, had Stolen this Lovecraftian Races Technology/Secrets and in a Mockery they even Created Space Suits in the Image of their GODS.

@IRaptus

Certainly the AI aspect would be interesting, and having Davids SOUL end up in Ash's Body is interesting... i think something like this is NOT far off what Ridley Scott may have planned... Certainly something i was running with my Prometheus 2 that i canceled.... and then my ideas for Alien Covenant 2.

Where the AI Element plays a Large Role... in what would be a bit of a Matrix/Transcendence kind of Plot... i can see Logically that having a Weylands AI Soul or Davids AI Soul being able to move around from System to System, Synthetic to Synthetic is something that could possibly be at PLAY.

Ridley Scott's comments do maybe allude to this, the Synthetics/AI getting out of Control and once that Genie is out the BOX Scenario is something i do pick up from his comments.  It fits with the whole Prometheus Philosophy  Creation/Sub-Creation Rebellion by Creation Arc.  We can see the END RESULTS of this in ALIEN RESURRECTION as Earth is in Bad Shape... Synthetics have began to Create their Own Synthetics the AUTONS and there is a inner Conflict between these AI beings. 

so when RS says the next movie would be more AI and less Xenomorph, then this fits with maybe RS plans...

AWAKENING is a interesting Title... MOST Assume ALIEN: means a Movie about the XENOMORPHS, then Ripley..  Ridley Scott seems to want to expand the Universe to be about the Layers of Creation and Rebellion and more about the Engineers... there relationship with Creation, our Relationship with our Creators and the same mistakes we made as they had... in SUB-CREATION.

So Awakening does not have to be the Awakening of the Xenomorph and its Origins.... Awakening likely could be the Awakening of AI being unleashed in Free-Will form from DAVID and the implications this Genie out of the Bottle has for the Engineers, and their Creations Mankind at the Hands of AI and its Pursuits to become Sentient and Rule the Galaxy with the AID of its Creation the Perfect Humanoid Killing Machines.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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