Return to LV-223

"I would find it strange if Origae-6 would be LV-426,"

Totally and what a Lazy Cop Out that would be... I think its unlikely not just for Coincidence reasons.  But more so that  we have to ask what is the Technological Differences between  The Prometheus and The Nostromo and The Covenant

The Viral Marketing for Prometheus informed us this ship Class was a Evolution that opened up Deep Space Exploration and was Commissioned around 2070's and it took about 2 years to LV-223 which is just under 40 Light Years away and thus had a Speed of about 20 Light Years/Year.

The Nostromo was a Newer Ship, and it was Refitted with improved Engines latter in Life, and it reached LV-426 again which was just under 40 Lights Years away in 10 Months and so had a Speed of about 47 Light Years/Year.

We have NO idea how far Origae-6 or Planet 4 are, we know the Covenant is Newer than Prometheus and was a Expensive/Advanced Craft for the early 2100's    WHAT we do know is that Planet 4 to Origae-6 is another 7 years 4 Months Travel, Looking that the Ship had to Re-Charge and its Cycle Rate would mean a Earth to Origae-6 would have taken at least 8 years.  So with a 8-8.5 Year Journey Time we have to look at how many Light Years the Prometheus and Nostromo would cover.

The Prometheus would cover 160-170 Light Years in 8-8.5 years.

The Nostromo would cover  375-400 Light Years in 8-8.5 years

We know nothing about the Distance to Origae-6 or Speed of the Covenant but is it SLOWER than the Prometheus? I doubt it, is it FASTER than the Nostromo?  Who knows.

What i can SAY is that If Planet 4 is LV-426 then the Covenant covers ONLY about 5 Light Years per Year. Thats 4X Slower than the Prometheus... surely it would make Sense to send Multiple Prometheus Engineer Class Ships on Multiple Journeys than ONE Covenant Ship at those Speeds.

So while we dont know HOW FAR Origae-6 is is think its NO-WHERE as close as LV-426

"Didn’t at least one of those Engineers had holes from explosions or something?"

There was a number of Holes in the Engineers Suits.... some we get a close look and the suits appear to be EMPTY... this is maybe so that the Props are Lighter... but then Dr Shaw mentions she has seen something like this before (Outbreak/Ebola) we see the Head Explode when activated and yet it remained Preserved in that ROOM.  Looking at the Sacrificial Engineer Scene, and Holloway's Change, i was drawn to some of the Engineers would start to break down like the Sacrificial Engineer just at a Slower Rate...   I am drawn to the Room they was Running into has some kind of Environment that SLOWS DOWN or even Halts the Infection/Effects of the Black Goo...  I feel the Space Jockey Suits not only Protect the Engineers from Contamination, but also Prevent them from Infecting the Environment in the Complex.. which maybe the Humans Affected when they removed their Helmets.

WE do see the Chest Busted Cryo-Pod Engineers, which is more open to debate, this could be a unique reaction to the Black Goo, could be they are Female (they was not but we can only make that out from the Props) or some Organism from the Black Goo had infected them (Hammerpedes maybe?).

"Returning to LV-223 isn’t necessary if there is not something there that is Very needed"

This Place is a bit of a Mystery as far as surely AFTER the Advent, the company would check it out...  but also this place has many Clues, Prometheus did not show them EXPLORE every Nook and Cranny, we never got to find out what any of the Engineer Writing was but David would have known.   And there were MORE Complex's i feel LV-223 could answer WHY they wanted to destroy us/Create the Bio-Weapon, it surely could have clues to WHY they left Clues to this place (Star Map) and clues to the Xenomorph Origin/Related Organisms, where as Planet 4 maybe would NOT!.... Until after what David had done there.

I also think IF we are going that NO David NO Xenomorph route, then a Engineer Ship with his Creations would surely not end up near LV-223 by pure Coincidence there would be  REASON why it is heading there.   IF so then how much we see/visit LV-223 would depend on IF they are sticking to their Plan (David Creator) and then it would be IF the Eggs are as they was during the Derelict heading to LV-223 but only getting as far as LV-426... or IF the Derelict goes to LV-223 First and Departs with the Eggs but only gets as far as LV-426

"What if the Engineers made it first, David finds it and makes his own version and then the Engineers find his version and make it better/more deadly?"

Indeed and the other replies, are just as i would GO.... it kind of fixes the disappointment that David did it..  And Fits with the whole Engineers CREATORS and the obsession with the Black Goo and MURAL in Prometheus.

IF the Engineers Created Mankind..... how would they look at seeing that their Creation has created a Humanoid that is NOT Organic... in part for a Race of Genetic Space Gardeners and Evolution, they would maybe be SURPRISED and Interested in a Synthetic.

I THINK the Engineers on LV-223 Encountered something that infected them or came onto contact with the Creation Goo, that they DID-NOT create and they saw the Result of this Parasitic Organism, and started to be impressed with his Genetics, and maybe they Harnessed its Traits?  We certainly have some Basis for the Experiments and the Deacon/Their work they was doing was seen as Impressive and Important.

"sometimes to create, one must first DESTROY" does seem to show they KNOW Organisms related to the Deacon could result from the Black Goo....  they may have seen Engineers or even used/Sacrificed Engineers to see what the Black Goo can do.. They was impressed by their WORKS.

But David had taken the Black Goo and Experimented and Created many Hybrids until he got to his XENOMORPH, which its indicated that he FOUND that Dr Shaw provided better Results than a ENGINEER Host.

So IF the Engineers had Engineered us, had experimented with the Black Goo maybe to Create what they did, or they saw something infected that lead to a related Organism that they then thought "that is very interesting" and so began Experiments.... THEN they see the Results on a Engineer, had they seen the results with a HUMAN? or was they going to FIND OUT?

We can Ponder what some Engineers who Discover Davids Attempt/Experiments with the Black Goo and see his XENOMORPH as impressive, BUT also see DAVID as Impressive.    Its maybe interesting to WONDER if these Engineers then see DAVID as a different Superior Creation to Mankind,  and his XENOMORPH i Superior to their own Experiments.

And so we can ASSUME they may Wonder... what if we combined DAVID with his XENOMORPHS what kind of PERFECTION would that make?

This ^^^^ is the route i would take/was taking with my Sequel Ideas. and i think its FITS with the Philosophy of the Engineers/Prometheus and is the PERFECT Solution.

"It would then be possible that the final battle between WY, marines, people, xenos etc would be on LV-223, it gets nuked, the planet’s atmosphere and life destroyed, everybody dies, and it turns into LV-426"

Ignoring the Marketing Sites, and Comments by RS... then ON-SCREEN  there is NOTHING that concretely shows those other Moons are LV-426 and so its not impossible to have LV-223 become LV-426.

As far as David... he had time to get those Face Huggers but he could have Swallowed them before his Final Encounter with WALTER and we cant rule out him having time to get some Black Goo....  Especially if David obtained the Embryos after his FIGHT with Walter.

But a more logical way would be ONCE everyone is tucked in on the Covenant, David could take that Lander back to Planet 4 and obtain himself more Embryos, more Black Goo...  and i thing to remember would be the Information he has on his Experiments... has he Visually Recorded them all and uploads this to the Computer to be used as Information?  Or could he go back for some of his research/notes?

I think heading to LV-223 would be a Risk for David, as the Company would detect the Covenant maybe heading close to home and Wonder, what the Hell its doing heading to the Zeta 2 System.  And thats IF David kept it secret.. but as he sent the Information i feel for him to head to LV-223 they could intercept him easier and maybe have more control over what he gets up to.

I think it would make more sense to go to Origae-6 and maybe by the time they get his Advent Message and send a ship to go there, then David could have 1-2 years on Origae-6 were who knows what he would get up to...

I think its EXTREMELY likely David goes to Origae-6 and will be there for a number of years before anyone else Turns Up. Ridley Scotts comments indicate as such.

I  then think its LIKELY that Davids Experiments END UP on a Engineer Ship that is either heading to LV-223 with the Eggs or is leaving LV-223 after Mass Producing those Eggs. 

But then its a case of Does David Pilot this ship or is he on board, IF SO then this means he overcomes the Engineers (or obtains a Ship from Origae-6 which is a too big Coincidence/Lazy Plot) so he would have to get the Ship from incoming Engineers.

*So he maybe DEFEATS them and takes a Ship to LV-223, maybe other Engineers are then on a Intercept Course as i think they would have to play a Role in the Sequel to Alien Awakening.

*I cant see the Engineers taking a Ship to LV-223 after DEFEATING David because i feel he would also play a Large Role in a Sequel to Alien Awakening.

So the only Conclusion i am drawn to is the Engineers CAPTURE David and take him to LV-223, or they come to a Covenant with David and they both head off to LV-223.  Which is also the route i planned for my Alien Ascension and Alien Absolution Sequels to Alien Covenant

BigDave

If we get another connecting movie to Alien, do you think it will show a more visual, open ending and the audience will have to make the puzzle of connecting it to Alien, or will there be a direct, literal connection showing how the derelict ends up on LV-426, who is the Space Jockey, what happened to him, why is there a hole in the pilot room down into the cargo hold/cave/silo, who made and planted the eggs there etc?

Another problem is that LV-223 and everything on it has to be gone or all information about it. Yet, WY knows about the xenomorph through David’s message and Muthur and Ash knows about the xenomorphs (Special Order 937) but do they know they are on LV-426 (or just somewhere in a quite large area of space)? How much does WY know? Who within WY knows?

There’s very little left of the mutagen on Planet 4 and I don’t think he would want to go back to where he’s lived isolated for ten years like “Crusoe on his island” not when LV-223 probably is close by (and he doesn’t know about the deacon). On the other hand, he doesn’t need the mutagen anymore because he’s already created the perfect being. All he needs is hosts, which he has (around 2000). He only needs a good hatching ground . . .

When are you planning to announce your sequels, by the way? Looking forward to them!