Alien Awakening,Alien 5,AVP 3,or Alien Isolation?What's best for the future of Alien on film?

I think the BIG PROBLEM... is a majority of the Fanbase are more in tune with Camerons Aliens and how the Xenomorph was used in the many Games, Novels and Comics.

The Prequels starting with Prometheus did offer something a bit NEW... but i feel while this idea was accepted by some of the fanbase, more so ALIEN fans, it was never quite what a lot of Fans expected....  a Prometheus 2 would likely have lost a number of the Fanbase that had gone to see Prometheus expecting it to be more Alieny...

The Problem with Alien Covenant was it had tried to please some of those who wanted a more Alieny Prequel, yet it never delivered that Aliens or Alien vibe as far as the Xenomorph was used...  It threw a lot of what Prometheus Fans expected under the BUS and was more about David and his ARC and how this connects to the Prometheus themes and Weyland.. 

It seems everything else was thrown to the wayside.... the Problem is this Sacrificed a number of things Prometheus Fans wanted, but retained some of it... but it also Sacrificed the Xenomorph by being something that is FAR from what people assumed prior to Alien Covenant (Creation of a Mad Robot).

Any sequel would HINGE on setting up HOW/WHEN those Eggs get onto the Derelict, and a lot of Fans would be hoping that its not via Davids Abomination.  With Ridley Scott suggesting the NEXT Movie would not be about Xenomorphs but about AI...

This means those wanting to get to such a Conclusion, and Climax would have to first sit through 2 hours of Ridley Scotts David/AI movie and its Philosophical Themes before we are then brought into seeing HOW things tie up to the Weyland-Yutani Company its Agenda and Special Order 937, we get the Engineers Return and NO DOUBT we see the Xenomorph Arrive! 

This 3rd Alien Covenant Movie and 4th Prequel would be the Climax the War of the Worlds Maybe (or set up for such).   But before we get to THAT JUNCTURE we would get a Movie that i am not sure a lot of Alien Franchise Fans would be keen on seeing....  

SADLY....  i am not sure too many would be interested in such a Venture, and if such a Venture was to not make very much Money, it would leave the Chances of getting the Conclusion that would be more about the Xenomorph and Engineers and Companies Greed... in LIMBO.

I would be interested in seeing where RS takes us next... but it would be something thats a distraction from what the ALIEN Franchise is expected to be about.... NO SOON as they gave us a ALIEN Prefix and how we would eventually be heading to the Back-Door of ALIEN... then Fans are going to expect the next one to be more ALIENY... less David and Certainly that he DOES-NOT create the Xenomorph.

This is all because of caving in to introduce us a Literal Path to ALIEN and the Xenomorph, rather than to Steer-Away...

Prometheus was intended as a BRIDGE were we have the following...

Alien Franchise <== Prometheus ==> Something New

But because Prometheus did not give enough to satisfy any connections to ALIEN for many... it meant they Sacrificed this something NEW... to bring about a literal Prequel Series to ALIEN.

I think we need a Novel to act as a Bridge Between Prometheus and Alien Covenant... set in those 10 years... then another set between Alien Covenants intended Sequel, leading us to the Climax of the Sequel... were the NEXT movie should then take over..

So we essentially have...

Prometheus. MOVIE

Prometheus 2.5 aka Crossing NOVEL.

Alien Covenant MOVIE

Alien Covenant 2  NOVEL

Alien Direct Prequel MOVIE

It wasn't possible in the late 1970s, but it is now possible to work in the giant egg silo HR Giger made. Most probably don't care about it. The scale of that area was way off form the derelict- it is a matter of fact the forum has beaten to death. I don't want to open up old wounds, but that whole egg thing and then seeing canisters in Prometheus is problematic and needs some explaining.

It seems like the next one should do that while also being a prequel including Prometheus and AC- some weird series/way of doing it RS talked about a few years ago.

@Thoughts Dreams

I did mentioned that both AVP movies DIDN'T feel like either ALIEN nor PREDATOR. AVP, both AVP (2004) and Requiem felt more akin to a Kaiju flick than anything close to ALIEN or PREDATOR hence why AVP (2004) also sucked. Requiem did us True ALIEN and Predator fans a favor and ended that mock-kaiju flick started by AVP (2004) and I bet if Paul W S Anderson had a choice to make more AVP movies they would have continued to be dumb action Kaiju flicks.

 "Requiem did us True ALIEN and Predator fans a favor"

LOL! I never imagined anyone would write that for any reason ever. Context- I know but still...

@Chris Yup

"Honestly, I think the franchise needs to revert to where it was going with Prometheus - expansion and new exploration. We need a fresh look at this timeless franchise and Prometheus did a great job of setting that up. Covenant was a step backwards, Alien 5 would be a deviation, AvP 3 would not work (yet) and games just would not do the franchise enough justice, canonically.

We need Scott to finish his vision and not be swayed by the opinions of those of us who refuse change. The beast is not cooked, but it's just not that interesting anymore. We know too much about it. I want to see what David does - I want to see his arc continue and I want to see the Engineers come back - discover what he's done and follow his trail to LV-426 or wherever they meet.

So, Alien Awakening gets my vote!"

The Egg Silo is a interesting thing.... DK

But i think this would just be down to a Oversight and we would have to suspend our disbelieve on this one.

" I don't want to open up old wounds, but that whole egg thing and then seeing canisters in Prometheus is problematic and needs some explaining"

Certainly and RS had explained the whole Derelict event before.  his more recent comments on the subject was something EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold..... is this to lead us to the Cargo was ONCE just Urns... i find Urns turning into Eggs something hard to swallow.

Alien left us with a number of things to ponder, one being the HOLE that Kane Descended down..... this leads some to speculate the Chest Burster was a Queen and then went down and Laid all those Eggs!

What was in the Cargo Hold Prior?  Urns? Empty?  I think the Protective Mist Barrier is what we should be concentrating on and i have ALWAYS felt that the Ship had a EGG Cargo that had been Placed on the Ship prior to the Space Jockey Event....

Regarding the AVP movies.... the Biggest Problem was by trying to make them take place in our Time-Line... instead of the Time-Line the Games had them set in!

Docking Ship There was/is no RS vision he just makes shit up as he goes and reacts. Of course there is also his "love" of Fastbender. Ridley Scott is a director of the "cool" and his idea of profound is a bunch of cliches and half-backed.

I'd rather see a completely new story without the beast, space marines,  evil/nazi androids, evil corporations and such. Is too much to ask for something that tells meaningful about the human condition. If this means nuking the alien franchise, I'm willing to take the trade. 

I would argue against that... it appears there was some vision  but i would agree however there has been a lot of chopping and changing, some of which we can point the finger at Ridley Scott and the Writers, but we have to CONSIDER that those in Charge at FOX have had a lot of say into what Stays/Goes  i think we only need to look at the Set-Up for Prometheus 2 and then RS comments about Alien Covenant in context to "they want Aliens i will give them $£"%£^ Aliens"

This combined with other comments about after AC and its disappointment, RS had said he felt he was ahead of the Curve/Game with Prometheus.   The Problem i have is NOT knowing what really RS has on his mind... he seems to be doing a lot of YES work for FOX... in that in the run up and promotion to Alien Covenant he appeared to be in favor of the Xenomorph and route they are going..  and not being so Negative Towards the Beast and so Toned Down the Beast is Cooked with, its a working Formula and you can go a few more rounds etc..

To then after the disappointment he comes out with comments that seem to indicate the Beast is Cooked... so what side of the FENCE was he on?  Was he only supportive to please FOX so that he can partake in the Franchise and Sequels?

IF Disney decide to make a sequel and have Ripleys Mother in it and she KILLS David and Sacrifices herself as the Space Jockey... would RS protest... or would we hear him say stuff like "i think the Ripely Connection really fits and her Mothers Sacrifice in Alien Awakening fits well with Ripleys Eventual Sacrifice in Alien 3"

Or would he be like "£!"$%$&.... that how Stupid a idea is that!!!"  it would then be a case of Disney either takes on board what RS says, or they go "well this is the route we are taking, if you dont like it we shall get Blomkamp in"

Regarding Fassbender  at this time he was a very Good Actor in Hollywood... his Character in Prometheus was interesting and one of the Stand Out Performances... Noomi Rappace came across at times, Wooden, and Naive her Character just Did-not stand out enough...

But there was more potential for Rappace, if they continued with a Story ARC! But with the Change of Direction where they must have deemed a Movie about Dr Shaw and David meeting these Would Be Gods.. would maybe not be ideal and certainly it appeared they could not SETTLE on a way to explore this Plot... that they then decided to U-Turn in a more basic Plot... a lot which was driven by how they felt Fan Reaction to Prometheus for having no Xenomorph Answers or Xenomorphs was something Fans was disappointed with, and they (FOX) may have had concerns that the expectations on Prometheus as  a Prequel that did-not deliver what they (Fans) expected, that sets up a sequel that would steer away from Xenomorphs and follow Dr Shaw and her Quest for Answers and Davids Story Arc.. would be something maybe a lot of Fans would not be interested in.

Rightfully some can be upset as they felt the Franchise needs something NEW, and this in part was what Prometheus was trying to do and RS Vision... But Fans seemed to expect Prometheus to be a Literal Alien Prequel, and not be interested in Prometheus setting up a NEW Tangent that steered away from LV-426 and the Derelict.

Prometheus is a VICTIM of trying something interesting but within the Confines of the ALIEN Universe... Imagine if the movie had NO Weyland Connections but had a different Company and Owner...  Imagine if the Engineers Ships/Suits had no connection to the Derelict/Space Jockey and imagine if the Monsters would have less to do with the Xenomorph Aesthetic...

They could have been left Free to explore something NEW/FRESH to a degree... but the CURSE of being connected to a ALIEN movie is always going to have Fans Expect it will have Xenomorphs and Queens!

I feel any Alien Covenant Sequel would have to Cave in and actually be more Alieny than even Alien Covenant, and less about the other Themes RS may have wanted to explore.

It will be interesting to see what Ridley Scotts TV Series Raised by Wolves is like and how well that does... because maybe if it does well then RS could be like TOLD YOU SO.

BigDave Having a vague outline is not a vision, and remember how he said he does not do sequels? He cannot be bothered with continuity and coherence, his makes up things as he goes, shoving in what he thinks is cool that morning. 

It's Rapace not Rappace, and if you can't even be bothered to remember her name correctly it's no wonder that they could just kill her off, to bring some resembling to Ripley (hair-do included).

As for his series, I think will be the next The terror, pretty well received by critics, but not the next big thing...

Ha Ha Forgive me for the additional P  ;)

But a good point raised none the less... Dr Shaw was a Plain Jane Character, many found her Annoying!  Yet its from her as a Proxy that the Great Unknowns and Questions could have been asked!

Noomi is capable of performing better than she did in Prometheus sometimes your limited to the Character Given and how it is written....    A continuation of her Naive Character would have been a bit bland!  But discovering Truths that Shatter her Religion and Faith could have led to a Character ARC that would have given her more to work with... she even hinted at such in Interviews.

FOX and maybe RS felt her Character was just not going to be that leading Heroine Protagonist that Ripley was... but then Ripley was not quite that Heroine until the Sequel to ALIEN..

So indeed they went for Daniels... a Character who in the Space of the Movie they Forced from the Evolution of Ripley from Alien to the end of Aliens...  and to be FRANK.. never came off as a believable Ripley Replacement either.

With Dr Shaws Flawed Character there was Scope!

With Daniels... it seems like it will be Forced to be a Ripley MK2

There was a lot of potential to see the Dynamic Between Dr Shaw and David... from the point she recovers his Head... to the Point she ended up on that Slab of Stone!

Its  a case of how many Fans would watch a Movie where there is only the TWO of them for like 40% of the Movie?

I would love to get a NOVEL of the Crossing... a Extended Story of that Journey of Dr Shaw,  there is a lot of Dialog and Philosophical Scenes that could have been played out and numerous fitting Mary Shelley Qoutes!

There is a lot from Frankenstein that fits Davids Arc, and the events that happened to Dr Shaw.   But i would say the Direction of Alien Covenant would not have been what i would have chosen either...

I would have liked to have seen her interact with these Would be Engineer Gods..   They could have been Malevolent or even Benevolent to her, which could lead David to Destroy them to Protect her/him or Destroy them because he is Jealous of how they respond to her, and how she shuns David or so it seems, now she has met her Creator.

So yeah... throwing Dr Shaw under the Bus and Engineers was a wasted Potential, just to please the Fanboys!

"They want Aliens i will give them %£"%$£^ Aliens"

Well, well, well.my, my, my. I have to slap everybody. It's the ONLY way to wake up everybody from the criosleep induced by the matrix (i'm being creative, so back off). First, fox should publish a book, publish the alien awakening script, either One, to connect alien covenant to alien 1979 (it should be a good way to celebrate 40 years of space claustrophobic  terror). Second, make a fresh new alien movie without regards to the timeline, a movie that Will survive trough time, by it's own. Prometheus was amazing, by it's originality. Alien covenant seemed an attempt by Ridley Scott to make an improved alien's 1979.

Trilogies are made ONLY to make Money. Any alien movie of Ridley Scott can be watched, without knowing the story of each movie. I think he planned the things This way and that's the main reason to cut off the prologue with doctor Elizabeth Shaw fixing david from the alien covenant movie.

I salute everyone from This forum. I'm a big fan of science fiction. 

Certainly Agree something like this has to be done...

I mentioned we really NEED Two Novels...

ONE to Cover Events Relating to David and Dr Shaw from when she collected his Head/Body until Months/Years prior to the Arrival of the Covenant Ship.

ONE that covers what happens from the END of Alien Covenant, to the point or after the Point THINGS GO TO POT!

THEN.... a Movie set in the Aftermath that either connects us to ALIEN or concludes the Aftermath of Davids Horror Show but shows us these events Do-Not lead to ALIEN

The other OPTION would be the idea above would be a 3RD NOVEL... leaving something NEW to explore for a MOVIE.

Right NOW...... we still dont know what happens to...

*LV-223

*Planet 4

*Origae-6 (and the Covenant)

These places should all END-UP with something related to the Xenomorph, Black Goo and Engineers and their Technology... and EVEN IF NOT..

Are these the only Places in the Galaxy were the Engineers have been/are, their Technology is/was and the Experiments/Black Goo and Xenomorph or Related Bio-Weapons are?

I DOUBT IT...

So there is Plenty of Places to set a Movie that does-not have to connect to LV-426 or Ripley in any shape or Form!

I like what Chris says about science and exploration, (science fiction, you know) but still have that fear thing. Prometheus did many good things like giving us the Engineers and the black goo. Those two things should be expanded on I think but what is the most important thing is to have humans to see ourselves in, that we can related to. Many of the ideas in Prometheus were interesting, they failed with most of the human characters which was its downfall. One problem could be that many were disappointed in P so they might think that it is a continuation of a movie that did not make a lot of sense but maybe some of that could be worked on. Do not leave Scott alone or else we will get another movie about David because that is all that he seems to care about.

My three point list with complaints about Covenant:

    • Too much about David
    • Too little about the humans and that the human characters were not well written and or executed
    • No Engineers (those in the beginning do not really count since they were just there for some seconds or what ever it was)

Abandoning the prequels, if that means that it will be vague if the android created the Xeno or not (no matter what Scott says) then I am all for it. Sure some would like to know but then it would also leave us with the possibility that there are those above the Engineers for those that dislike the Engineers being hinted as as the SJ. It depends on what kinds of plans that they have and if they have understood what the criticism of the prequels are. If they still believe what they did after Prometheus then they haven't understood that.

Killing David would be better than to get another movie about him, that is where I stand on that issue. Sure they can keep him but don’t let the movie be about him.

Maybe the Xenos can develop without a queen? Egg-morphing seems interesting, maybe there are other ways that they can make that happen too? We have seen the queen so many times so I am not that interested in it but if they really have nothing better than that then OK I watch it.

Retconning the prequels, it can not get much worse than it is now so maybe if they end up in a totally silly way then that could be an option. Hopefully they can make a third prequel that at least is there with Aliens but I don't know. Maybe let the guy that made 28 Days Later direct it, that would be interesting.

Re-engineered humans like Big Dave says seems interesting.

BD:

I like how she was done in the Crossing, she just seemed to act better there. A character like that would have been a lot better than how she was in Prometheus. You mention Ripley, she is in a league of herself so to top that would be difficult but that doesn’t mean that they can not get a good and sympathetic charter, something that Shaw lacked. Daniels was too much like Ripley and her character development (I hope that is the word) was too rushed yes I know about limitations of run-time but anyways but I don’t think that she had much of a personality anyways.

You speak about a novel, I think that character development should be in a movie and be well done, otherwise it is a failure. In a way I don't blame you since Prometheus was what it was but I think that these things should stay in the movies even if that means cut some parts or give these things less time. Story first character second, everything else comes after that and if you can not build up the characters because you think that more time is needed for more less important things then cut those things to develop the characters.

"... throwing Dr Shaw under the Bus and Engineers was a wasted Potential, just to please the Fanboys!"

Maybe so but it did not help since the problems with AC were bigger than that.

"I think but what is the most important thing is to have humans to see ourselves in, that we can related to"

UNFORTUNATELY... this holds true for a lot of Fans... and it is a True Statement... we have to feel for the Characters, the more we can connect to their Jeopardy the More effect the Action and Horror and Thriller has on the Audience..

Sadly this is something thats not always easy to accomplish, it got to the point with me in ALIEN 3 i was bored of Ripleys Character and so her Death did NOTHING but just had that Symbolism of Sacrifice...   If you cant CARE or CONNECT to any Characters then what happens to them, means nothing much!   

How many people are on the Edge of their Seats with the Characters from AVPR when you know they are in Jeopardy, how many times your on the Edge of your Seat Willing them to escape and survive or accomplish their task?

I watched ARMAGEDDON the other Day, and this had the opposite effect, even though i have seen it 3 times before, you still get that URGE of concern for the Peril even though you know they survive.... 

So i agree its getting that Connection that makes the difference.... The PROBLEM! i mention is most people only relate to Human Characters if they are WELL-WRITTEN and Performed...   This is common for many people... but for some you can Connect with NON-HUMAN characters if they are done well, carry some kind of Humanity or you can get some Sympathy with.

Why Johnny Five was more Relatable than most the Cast of the Prequels... or even Alien Resurrection and AVP movies and he was a 100% Bonafide Robot lol

But in General.... yes you need Characters you can connect with, feel Empathy for... or else it just wont have any real effect.  Usually people can relate to Humans more, especially Humans who we can relate to more than other Humans... why maybe the Space Truckers work in ALIEN, the Oil Rig Drillers work in ARMAGEDDON if your seeing that... this could be ME or happen to someone i KNOW.. then it works better.

This poses a PROBLEM... which a Prometheus 2 would have faced... or indeed a Alien Covenant 2... you would need Human Characters to relate to who are well done... or Humanoid who are VERY well done to pull off.. 

So a Prometheus 2 about a David and Dr Shaw could work to a degree if BOTH Characters are worked well... but then you would always have to introduce other HUMANS to be on the Safe Side... and it was HOW do they do that?

David is a Robot.... Dr Shaw is a bit of a Wooden Human Character.... and they meet what EVIL SOB Engineers and then how do we get any Dialog?

Hence you could see the route they went with Alien Covenant, by having David end up closer to Earth so a group of Humans could turn up.. and be put in Peril!

Sadly Character Execution never worked... only Characters i was concerned about was David.... Oram, and i felt for Faris and Lope a LITTLE... the rest even Walter it did not concern me what happened to them.

Walter was annoying a bit like Dr Shaw...

Tennessee was well just a Milburn to me, and Daniels did-not connect to me even like Vickers did.

"... throwing Dr Shaw under the Bus and Engineers was a wasted Potential, just to please the Fanboys!"

Maybe so but it did not help since the problems with AC were bigger than that."

Certainly.... my point being that you would have expected those to be more of the Focus with David in a sequel... but it seemed to Focus on David too much, and the Xenomorph and Daniels....  I think David gets a lot of the Blame about it being about him a lot mainly due to the Failure for how the Xenomorph was not done enough justice and time, and Daniels Character... which if BOTH were done better would have not made David stand out as much.

With some of the dialog and actions of David... it leaves little space to have his Character Redeem himself so anyone can feel any Empathy for him.... but this does-not mean it cant be FIXED!  But a majority of his Agenda came across as though he ONLY cared for himself and his infatuation to Create, and Create a Destructive Force...

 Characters have never been Alien's strong suit.Even the best Characters with the exception of Ripley and David aren't really developed.But that shouldn't mean they are likeable.Whether they had colourful personalities (Think Parker and Hudson,and the Crew of the Betty)hero types(Hicks)Sympathetic(Clemens)Or perhaps just well written (Dillon)

The problem with the prequels is not that they are 2 hour films,it hasn't been a problem before.It's the fact that Ridley is more concerned with the over all scope and concepts than characters,not too dissimilar from Classic Sci fi authors like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov.Also it comes from short sited screen writers who more often than not are just guns for hire,no real passion or understanding for the property.

I think screen time can affect what we get, i feel Alien Covenant suffered more with this due to it being a movie that tried to offer a bit of everything but then not offering enough of everything due to limits of screen time.

I do think its a case of WHAT makes a ALIEN Movie a ALIEN Movie and Unfortunately the Philosophical Parts are pushed towards the Top of the Tree.... when a Majority of ALIEN Fans expect other Elements to be given Priority.

I find them interesting, but then i am sure for a Majority a Movie thats pushing itself like a Space 2001 and a Blade Runner Franchise... is a bit of a distraction from what a ALIEN Movie should be about....

Its a Shame because Prometheus was a attempt to offer something different, but by Virtue of not Pleasing Certain Alien Fans, they made a sequel a ALIEN prequel which means Fans expect less of the Direction Prometheus was to set up, and more of a ALIEN Flick... which Alien Covenant tried to do the Juggling Act between the TWO...

"I find them interesting, but then i am sure for a Majority a Movie thats pushing itself like a Space 2001 and a Blade Runner Franchise... is a bit of a distraction from what a ALIEN Movie should be about...."

@BigDave

For someone who is known for long posts this rather short one sums up the last 8 years rather well. In Damon's commentary, made before Prometheus was released, he uses a phrase something like "if I have upset peoples childhood I am sorry." He was well aware that by making the Xenomorph a fallen outcome of a fallen creation story it might not go down well and indeed he questioned even then whether they would get a chance to make a sequel that would clarify what we see. I think Ridley believed he could go for the big audience by making Prometheus a broader science fiction story. If he had gone further and deftly showed the origins of the creature and the meaning of the derelict and got on with what he really wanted I am not sure the Alien community would have been any happier because whilst he views it as an iconic creation for a slasher movie, the fanbase worship the creature and want it to have a grand creation story even re inventing it as some kind of echo of God like beings. Personally I find 'worshipping' such behaviour quite disturbing.

Indeed I read a post by somebody who said if its an Alien movie it should have all the tropes in. We argue politely here which is rare but I could not be less interested in more dark corridors, the life cycle a wicked company, a bad robot and no director or medium is going to make that appeal to anyone outside of the hardcore. Blaming the messenger rather than the message is not the answer.

I think as Prometheus grows its cult movie status what Ridley may reflect on particularly if his TV series works is whether he should have attached a story, where faith, knowledge and science go in search of our creators, to the Alien DNA at all. I wish Covenant had never been made but then I would not have enjoyed the challenge of expunging it so I could still enjoy Prometheus knowing what happened in the film meant something and Elizabeths questions get answered though not in the way she could ever have imagined.   

This my final post on the forum thanks to those who have exchanged. 

Once again therein lies the problem.Prometheus divided way too much.Prometheus's chances would have been better had it not been so connected to Alien,if perhaps it were just a new sci fi series that acted as a spiritual successor to Ridley's work on Alien and Blade Runner,instead of being the "don't call it a prequel "prequel.

In hindsight maybe Ridley and Fox should have took head of their other reboot/prequel series with Planet of the Apes.All three of which earned stronger Critical and fan reception as well as stronger box office numbers.All three well directed,acted and characterized.

Prometheus was a gamble and 7 years later it still divides opinions.For every fan of Prometheus,those who love Shaw...there are just as many if not more who dislike her and this film.Would the franchise have been better off following up Prometheus properly?I really don't know,like i said Prometheus probably would have been better off without Being tied to Alien.It Would have had less expectations that's for sure.Tie it to Alien and there will be expectations.this years emphasis on familiar names like Amanda Ripley and xenomorphs seem to show a want of Alien.Shaw,her search for the truth,engineers....they're starting to feel like a distant memory.

ninXeno426 Prometheus started off as a prequel and the rewrites were done when RS came on board. How can you go to the investors and say you know that Alien movie that you wanted to make will be not an Alien movie anymore?

Prometheus could have been made only like this. People don't throw Sci-fi anymore, as money is made by comic books. The distancing, like Scott (or was it Lindelof?) said would have come in the Sequel. However, lazyness, greed and posturing taken that over.

Ps. The problem with the new Planet of the Apes is that after I watched them once, I never came back. I've only seen the second in cinema and I didn't buy any of them on blu-ray.